Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Taygibay]

LEA looked like this when outed at Le Bourget 2013 :

And 30 years back, Rafale looked like this :

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GN all, Tay.

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[VivasvatManu]

For all the hype that is made about the MKI being made in India I can assure you there has been actually very little investment made in the Indian support ecosystem for the MKI. Until very recently India was still importing high grade steel for the mki's body and engine parts.

Under the IGA for the Rafale everything is covered from the exacting offset obligations to the availability Dassualt MUST provide India for the Rafale fleet. Just think about the latter part, only in 2016 (20 years later) has India entered into an agreement with Sukhoi to assure the IAF 75% availability for their MKIs(by the way, India will have to pay extra for this privilege) , the Rafale fleet will have this from day ONE (costs included in this contract).

The MKI agreements were far less exhaustive and left plenty of room for Russia to mess with India.

India has at least learnt a lot from past failings and has tightened its clauses and improved its contract negotiation skills/placed more emphasis on this. Gone is the "chalta hai" attitude.

1. Su 30 is not made of 'steel', its made of Aluminium and Titanium. Its the contract, which mandates that all raw materials must be sourced from Russia. This is not so bad.

2. The 'ecosystem' is HAL and they have invested enough to manufacture Su 30MKI in India.

3. Only 20% of Rafale will be sourced from India. For this to grow to a 100% is a LONG way off.

4. IAF REFUSED to pay for additional spares from HAL THAT is why Su 30 MKI serviceability was low. IAF assumes its their privilege to get spares and HAL was expected to spend from its own pocket and produce spares which it did not do.

5. MKI agreement was less specific, but was in good faith and DID allow us to produce the aircraft right from raw material.

6. This new lack of 'chalta hai' attitude you find it NOT institutional, its ONLY because of the new Modi govt. When this govt. goes in time (and it will), this attitude too will disappear.

 

[Kinetic]

Cost 8.7 billion
Aircrafts 36
Can carry hydrogen bombs
AESA radar, Electronic warfare and decoys
Missiles : Meteor 150 km, Scalp EG 300 km, Mica IR
First delivery: before Aug 2019
Last delivery: Dec 2021
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-france-conclude-rafale-deal/article9140011.ece

 

[Kinetic]

RBE2 AESA
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/aesa_rbe2_5_juin_val_def_bat_ok.pdf

 

[Tipu7]

What is point of Storm shadow if Air Launched version of Brahmos is already on its way? (via Su30)
Or is IAF is looking for diversity of choice?
And how many Rafael B and C versions among these 36?

 

[Hellfire]

@Bilal Khan 777

Sir.

I think you are wasting way too much time responding there. You are more suitable here!

 

[jupiter2007]

India media is reporting that Pakistan is going to buy Yak-130 and Su-35 from Russia by the end of 2016, also Russia is going to allow Pakistan to build Mi-35 locally.

 

[Hephaestus]

Who is he?

Precisely .

He runs a blog on defence and strategic affairs. Unending list of qualifications. Anti-Rafale to a fault.
https://bharatkarnad.com/about/

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

@Bilal Khan 777

Sir.

I think you are wasting way too much time responding there. You are more suitable here!

Very interesting participants and opinions. Thanks.

 

[LOGICAL BOSSS]

Published September 24, 2016
SOURCE: PTI

France has offered to help India revive the unsuccessful Kaveri engine project for indigenous Tejas aircraft and a host of other high-end collaborations as part of the offsets in the 7.87 billion euro Rafale fighter plane deal.The deal comes with a 50 per cent offset clause which means that Indian companies, big and small, will get businesses worth over 3 billion euros.

Defence sources said that one main point of the offset was that 74 per cent of it has to be imported from India.




This means a lot of business and job opportunities in India, sources said.

They added that the offset, spread over a period of seven years, will be finalised soon.

“The offset clause of 50 per cent in the Rafale deal will provide a great opportunity for indigenous manufacturers such as us who have put in years of effort in developing world class technology within the country.

“It further outlines the commitment made by the Indian government to promote the Indian manufacturing industry and support indigenisation of defence needs of the country,” Samtel Avionics MD and CEO Puneet Kaura said.

 

[Hellfire]

Very interesting participants and opinions. Thanks.

Your opinions and insights would be appreciated here, and at time you will be challenged tiresomely, but I assure you, it shall be worth your time and more a suitable platform for you

 

[hassamun]

Great clause...Will help India in the long run...

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Your opinions and insights would be appreciated here, and at time you will be challenged tiresomely, but I assure you, it shall be worth your time and more a suitable platform for you

Many of the participants from across the border are quite disrespectful. This leaves no room for discussion. I will be open to give opinion on any solicited question based on my view of the world.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

In light of all of these technical questions I have but one query, where do I get this badge:

@PARIKRAMA @Nilgiri @anant_s @Taygibay @Vergennes @BON PLAN @Picdelamirand-oil

JYLD

MODI: The partnership between France and India moved at the pace of a man walking, he will now move at the speed of a Rafale

 

[Hellfire]

Many of the participants from across the border are quite disrespectful. This leaves no room for discussion. I will be open to give opinion on any solicited question based on my view of the world.

That is why sir, I suggested you move here, ignore the uncouth ones .... excellent lot here.