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Dancing in the Streets of Pakistan

They're not fortunate enough for economic reasons to study philosophy and ethics of religion in premier colleges by actual scholars and intellectuals. They attend public schooling where knowledge is not imparted but hammered down the heads.

While we' been exploiting them economically, it wouldn't hurt and matter imposing new cultural values onto them. Afterall, we have studied at the best western schools and by virtue of it really know the meaning of life, in the words of Musharraf, we're the "enlightened" souls..

Sanity absolutely has no correlation with economic resources and educational opportunities. It is just one of those things that you can't learn. I for one, was never educated in a "western" school and was educated for all but 2 years of my life in public schools. Yes, I'm studying in the US now but I was pretty much the same person before.

All it takes study philosophy and all those *fancy things*, is interest. Granted people without the necessary financial resources are at a disadvantage when pursuing education in our society, yet it does not mean that they are helpless. People replying on these forums are pretty much in the upper tier of economic hierarchy for they have access to a computer, the internet and time to post here. If they have time and the resources to come to PDF and reply nonsense, they might as well visit a database of academic journals, historical books and read some stuff.
 
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I don't know what Saudi women have to do with this... Pakistani and Saudi culture couldn't be more different! And frankly, thank the Good Lord for that!

Let's not get caught up in semantics. The point is not whether a specific form of dance is "Pakistani", but rather that people have the freedom to do as they please and in general, dance is a part of our culture. Keen in mind, there is no stagnant form of dance, much as there is no stagnant form of art. Luddi is part of our culture, bhangra is, classical dances are and all these forms have evolved over time. If young people want to experiment with other kinds of dances, there shouldn't be any issue with that and they shouldn't have to get a cultural compatibility certificate which would only officially authorize luddi and bhangra.
Thank you for providing the much needed holy patriotic approval for the actions of a few young elite kids. I'm sure they need such doses of approval and justifications for their actions.

Afterall being "Patriotic" really means imitating Indian and Western cultures and enjoying them with full freedoms. Afterall, that's the purpose for which Pakistan was created, right? Who cares about ludi, bhangra and sufi ruqs...those are for the downtrodden and backward piss lower classes.

Pakistanis (granted, the more well-off ones) have been ballroom dancing in mixed gatherings for about 250 years now. How long does it take for something to become "a part of culture"? Culture evolves all the time.
The past 200 years we have seen a continous erosion of our cultural heritages and identities to such an absurd extent as we were ruled by foreigners and our so called "well-off elites" were in bed with their imperial masters.

It is very convenient of you to point out the 200 years of history under foreign rule whilst forgetting the nearly 800 years of history where we flourished and invented music art and whatnot for the sake of preserving our civilization values and cultural heritages.

Never denied the evolution of culture, but evolution sponsored and played out by a culturally and morally lost bayhis secular elite adds to more problems in an already highly divisive class based society riddled with corruption. But then again, Thank you very much for proving my point, really.

Come on! Tunes of foreigners? The music was written composed and played in Pakistan and sung in Urdu. Are you taking issue with the use of western musical instruments? I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. If they played the same music using tablas and sitars, both inventions of the late great saint, Hazrat Amir Khusro, it would have been ok?

Speaking of Hazrat Amir Khusro, what a fabulous example of the perfect meld of a liberal mind and a soul in tune with the Creator. On the one hand he is writing Man Kunto Maula, and Nami da nam which have inspired lovers of the Prophet (pbuh) for a thousand years, and on the other he is promoting religious harmony, writing love songs, couplets, jokes, riddles and inventing new and exciting musical instruments! Our society was more culturally advanced a thousand years ago than it is today, in many ways. Oh blessed would we be were an Amir Khusro to grace this land again!
Hazrat Amir Khusro (RA) would really approve this dance where girls in skin-tight jeans and tank tops are freely interminging and dancing with men in public to the tunes sponsored by the France based Coca Cola Company? Now would he?

I find it highly insulting to misuse the status and works of great Saints whose works and efforts were to reinstitute and reinculcate moral values and traditions through poetry and art and music which the muslims were losing at that time. For example Sufi's were known for reinstilling love for the Prophet SAW and his family which many muslims lost under the administration of the Ummayads. Sufism in general was born out of love for the Prophet SAW and under tyrant rulers.


What has gone wrong with our thinking? that we are resorting to finding justifications for actions that have no relevance to our culture and traditions? Actions that may bring a temporary delight to the bayhis elite, yet bring more misery and confusion to the masses? One elite's extreme actions that further radicalize the impoverished and downtrodden.

Is God really happy with us that we are made to listen to the tunes of Suicide bomb blasts everyday instead of the spiritually uplifting kalams of great Sufi Saints? No wonder he hasn't been gifting us such great Sufi Saints any more.

The people who participated in the making of these videos did an incredibly patriotic thing... Pakistan is our country and we have the freedom to do as we please, as long as we stay within the realms of law. It doesn't matter if our exercise of freedom conflicts with some other individual's preferences. They are living their lives, we are living ours. To each his own. To stand up for our freedom is the MOST patriotic thing we can do. We are taking our Pakistan back from the pig-headed, medieval obscurantists! I look forward to a time - which is not far away at all - when someone dancing in the streets doesn't become a big subject of discussion and is instead looked upon as a regular, every day, normal occurrence. Much like someone marching down the street in a burqa, or hijab. Jis ki jo marzi, apnay mulk mein karay as long as they don't impinge on other people's freedom.


The so called elite has all the freedoms and luxury to dance and enjoy to the Coca Cola sponsored tunes, whilst the ordinary citizens chained in shakles of poverty and slavery watching them enjoy life and dance must be contemplating on what those freedoms really means.

No doubt we're taking our Pakistan back from the pig-headed khawarijites and ghadars, but we're giving it back to the other extreme, the rightful owners of Pakistan, Musharraf and Zardaris.

I don't know who is lost... people who debate all day long as to which formulaic prayer to recite before entering the toilet, which foot to lift (as per the spirit of their so called religion) before entering a building, and how many units of sawaab are allocated for different actions (as if there is a sawaab gazette available to them!) or those who have broader horizons and believe that there are *many* sources of enlightenment, knowledge and understanding... those who are ready to go to the proverbial "China" to obtain knowledge without feeling insecure about their beliefs and identity.
...do I still need to prove who is lost? Lol

I liked it as-is. Given the huge success of the campaign, I can safely conclude that most Pakistanis enjoyed it. Hey, it's better than watching a degenerate saas-bahu drama on Star!
I have no doubt that a handful of Pakistani elite who live on a fantasy cloud away from culture and religion and problem effecting our society must have enjoyed it. This thread is a testimony that disproves your claim that most Pakistani's watching the dance must have enjoyed it. Need I say further...? Hope not.


Bera Gharak kr ke Rakh dia ha thread ka :hitwall:


No need to be so worried. we're just having a good fun discussion. Btw, what are you doing up so late? Isn't it past your bed time girl :P

JK
 
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Who's the singer???
Cute :D
...OK, so the dancing is a little suggestive in terms of the hip shaking, but its in a controlled atmosphere - no harm done.
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May be she just saw African Americans' music videos & immitated them in her "innocence" without knowing what the move "suggests"... :p:tongue:
we have to make sure our women don't become **** stars because we let them wear jeans and T-shirts, get an education ...
I just skimmed thru the thread so don't have a good idea about the ongoing debate....
But i want to give an example from history here...

Things always start subtle,,, then progress to an un-wanted, unexpected ending...

When prophet Muhammad saw ppl worshipping photos of Ibraheem/Ismail/Maryam inside Kabbah, he told ppl that immediate generations of Ibraheem etc made their photos out of respect & reverence NOT to worship them,,, but with time generation-after-generation ppl crossed limits of reverence & ultimately they started worshipping those photos,,,

When I was growing up I saw a lady with sleeveLess shirts & I was so ashamed & looked away... Then I got used to it,,, then I saw ladies with mid-riff exposed & was embarrassed,, later got used to it,,, so on & so forth,,, Now even "any extreme" of exposure doesn't look unusual,,,,

Now, coming to ur point,,, today, it's jeans/T-shirts & no-touch policy, u never know what it will be tommorrow,,, or may be u do know!!!! That's how things always start... If u really don't want ur ladies to become **** stars then u gonna have to put certain boundaries in place today otherwise tommarrow will not be in ur control...
One would hope that 'dancing and having fun' returns to being a 'normal activity' that the guys sitting with their families can join in for the sake of a little fun.
By-the-way those gals were NOT among their Families...

Sure fun is good, but there's no need to immitate west & add arousing-touch to have fun,,, To have fun there's no need to show others ur curves sleeved in tight fitting slik, or with T-shirts flashing skin off-&-on ,,, Ladies used to dance before with traditional Pakistani attire,,,

u would know what kind of "fun" such liberty leads to.... unless u don't have a taste for women,,,

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It is totally wrong to label extreme conservative as religious fundos.

I mean if conservatives label liberals as "westernized version of Muslims" than it is wrong..

But if Liberals label conservatives as extremists than it is right..

Liberals also showed the level of tolerance they have.

You guys are blaming each other and both call themselves the true followers of Islam.
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There is no point to discuss these things..

One should keep her/his faith strong...

Liberals cannot convince religious conservatives and vice versa!
 
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The FACT remains the same!

Prophet Muhammad Peace is upon Him condemned these social dances!

Prophet Muhammad Peace is upon Him said that tolerance is the best virtue!
Hence, don't poke your nose everywhere my beloved conservatives.

You cannot do anything and everything in the name of liberalism.
Similarly, you cannot impost your agenda on others. (for conservatives)

See and do what you think is right!
Liberals you can get a leeway when you say that the needs of society are different but you have no right to say that Islam is outdated because the actions you commit in a way means that Islam was outdated religion.
Conservatives don't teach us about Islam.
Practice your own Islam and don't give Fatwas.
 
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no its not... its haram for women to dance in public

Don't even leave your home coz everything is haraam for you guys this is not even a religious thread even in time of mughals dance was part of tradition and culture so enough with the islam preaching :blah:
This was to show joy and happiness on pakistani streets but once again you e-mullahs have hijacked the topic .
Thank god people like you are the minority people like you don't represent the general public coz these people have been allowed to dance without hassle and when pakistan won the world cup alot of the masses celebrated by dancing and playing music on the streets :bunny:

look at the joy i'm sure it's burning you inside !


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Don't even leave your home coz everything is haraam for you guys this is not even a religious thread even in time of mughals dance was part of tradition and culture so enough with the islam preaching :blah:
This was to show joy and happiness on pakistani streets but once again you e-mullahs have hijacked the topic .
Thank god people like you are the minority people like you don't represent the general public coz these people have been allowed to dance without hassle and when pakistan won the world cup alot of the masses celebrated by dancing and playing music on the streets :bunny:

look at the joy i'm sure it's burning you inside !


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part of tradition and culture so enough with the islam preaching.
Tradition, culture and religion are three different things.
Culture and tradition can go against the religion.
Which side will you pick?

e-mullahs
Kindly elaborate more.

joy and happiness
Prove me that this type of joy in NOT against Islam.

burning you inside
Liberals should show more tolerance than conservatives. You failed to show that so you are are a liberal extremist of a kind.



I am against Mullah team but when liberals blame Mullahs and whatnot...
They are showing the same disrespect as Mullahs did.

Intolerance was shown by liberals and conservatives!

You guys are just the same in a way.
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It is very convenient of you to point out the 200 years of history under foreign rule whilst forgetting the nearly 800 years of history where we flourished and invented music art and whatnot for the sake of preserving our civilization values and cultural heritages.

I don't want to be focused on race and ethnicity like jinxed, but "we" didn't rule for 800 years. Monarchy is never "we" it's just one man and his family. I'm tired of hearing that "Muslims" ruled the subcontinent for a 1000 years.

To everybody :-

Somebody's dancing within their own confined house. Let them dance however they may even if there are 300 people watching them. They wanted to do it inside a building because they didn't want you to burn them, hence let them do it.

Why does everybody have to be the flagbearer of morality, ethics and religion? Fricking shared a video and asked everybody in kind not to comment on morality and religion. Could have stayed away from it and gulped down your anger if there were any problems. Just had to turn it into another ugly thread full of emullah rants, liberalism vs conservatism and above all a pointless and unfruitful debate over religion.
 
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