DAM BUSTERS . can the PAF do a dam strike ?

[Bilal Khan 777]

What is this thread really about?

 

[Hellfire]

What is this thread really about?

People about to destroy a dam with a single glide bomb/cruise missile?

Fun to read the views. Much needed break.

@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer

 

[Novice09]

This idea is as great as short range nuclear weapons...
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baghliar and kishan ganga dam ?
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[Hellfire]

Babur 3 and tomahawk are most precise cruise missiles in the world.

And what remains the source of this? Any comparative study available? Not doubting, merely asking if there is some comparative study on it?

Well, I can certainly recommend to our Pakistani members to sign a petition asking PA to undertake a re-location of the L-60 on Western edge of Durmat Ridge to the Eastern Edge, giving a perfect line of sight on the Dam, and daily firing on it. I am sure it may do the trick!

Why waste the money?

 

[TOPGUN]

Another wet dream thread and party for dumb trolls lolz.

 

[Verve]

Why destroy the dams when they can be captured?

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

can the JF 17 do a dam buster strike on baghliar and kishan ganga dam ?

is there a weapon suite for such role ?

has the PAF practised such an attack ?

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i need not explain indias water terrorism and their ultimate leverage using such a measure. my question is, do we have some plan about it ?

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PAF experts to comment pl

Salamu Alaykum

Attacking the dam is not the issue, the issue is dealing with what occurs after that. It would result in all-out war and eventually MAD for both Pakistan and India.

In other words, let's not do that.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

It's possible, but the damage and the countless innocent lives it will claim will attract the intervention of the great powers.

still better than a nuclear strike

 

[Osiris]

Most of IA gains were in desert, undefended and the major resistance faced by was Pak Rangers. If they had some worth you'd have gotten better gains at Simla. Pakistan also gained in Sulaimanke, Hussainiwala, Pulkanjri, Kassowal, opp Khalra.

The quote of '6:1' ratio is only applicable for the first day of Op Grand Slam, after which the newly arriving 10th Div HQ from South India reinforced with a brigade. Even then the pressure was such that a whole field artillery regiment had to abandon it's 25pdrs.

In 1965 we had only I Corps, it was running from the Kashmir to Kutch.
XXX Corps was established to get the I Corps rid of defensive duties and make it fully focus on offense after 71.

Strike and Holding Corps concept actually developed after Ex Zarb-e-Momin, thus the increase in Corps numbers and designation of strike and pivot.

In 71 India kept Turtok and Pak kept till west bank of Munawar Tawi. Should be reminded that PA used 23rd Infantry Division to push back the 10th Div.

PA won't be needing to use maximum portion of it's resources, X Corps 19th Div and 8th IABG will be enough for a bridgehead and the rest will be left for the I Corps.






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On the contrary, most Indian gains were in Kargil and Ladakh. Most of the peaks Pakistan briefly captured in Kargil-Drass sector, were captured from Pakistan in 71 in the first place.

The gains made by Pakistan Op Grandslam were on the first day itself, second day there, Indias withdrew to a defnsible position, plus was a change of command on the Pakistani side, even by 3rd September, Indians were outnumbered 6:1. It is only by the evening of 3rd, Indian reserves began to arrive. Pakistan made very minor gains on 4th and 5th.

On 6th, India attacked Lahore and operation Grandslam came to an end.

The fact, Pakistan had 6:1 superiority, a much superior tank, much superior artillery in terms of caliber/ range and could only cover 23 Km in 6 days, against a single infantary brigade, supported by a single squadron of light tank, is telling, what a determined defender can accomplish.

Now the very same area is held not by brigade by a entire division with more than two hundred armored vehicles, they not only have the ability to absorb strike corp level assault but also can counter attack into Pakistan.

 

[Joe Shearer]

People about to destroy a dam with a single glide bomb/cruise missile?

Fun to read the views. Much needed break.

@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer

These threads are indeed a light relief.

few raad missiles will be enough and it will be the right thing to do..
water is our right which india is stealing.

In what way? Has the Indus Waters Treaty been violated, or is your argument that the Treaty itself was flawed?

 

[ziaulislam]

India is fully abide by Indus water treaty. It gives us full right to utilize water of 3 rivers and part water of Indus out of total 7 rivers. till now, we were unable to use the water of our part for which we are building dam to utilize it. Actually, six time more water goes into sea than Pakistan utilize out of these rivers. Pakistan must focus on how to utilize their part of water for the welfare of her people. However, rather than going by the treaty, I see a lots of bluff as usual from Pakistani posters and from Pakistani media. Pakistan has used the option to go to world bank and it seems that they are not willing to accept even judgement.

There are lots of steps which pakistan can take to deal with the water issue but they have preferred to shout rather than taking action such as building dams etc.

yes and no..india is breaking the storage limits clause but it still not responsible for our water issues...
We simply need to counter that with better storage ...
India has also done all in its power to sobtage storage dams via blocking funding through lobbying but this is not an excuse

 

[Joe Shearer]

And drowned half Pakistan.

This idea deserves:

PLEASE don't discourage innovative thinking. How do you know that the downstream areas would not flourish with an occasional flooding? Did not the delta of the Nile flourish precisely because of the flooding of the Nile?

As Pakistan has very few dams to speak off, India might respond with strike on Pakistan's nuclear reactors, like Khushab nuclear complex.

....Or anything else that seems useful. Once the first attack has been made, how the other side retaliates is wide open.

 

[Cuirassier]

On the contrary, most Indian gains were in Kargil and Ladakh. Most of the peaks Pakistan briefly captured in Kargil-Drass sector, were captured from Pakistan in 71 in the first place.

The gains made by Pakistan Op Grandslam were on the first day itself, second day there, Indias withdrew to a defnsible position, plus was a change of command on the Pakistani side, even by 3rd September, Indians were outnumbered 6:1. It is only by the evening of 3rd, Indian reserves began to arrive. Pakistan made very minor gains on 4th and 5th.

On 6th, India attacked Lahore and operation Grandslam came to an end.

The fact, Pakistan had 6:1 superiority, a much superior tank, much superior artillery in terms of caliber/ range and could only cover 23 Km in 6 days, against a single infantary brigade, supported by a single squadron of light tank, is telling, what a determined defender can accomplish.

Now the very same area is held not by brigade by a entire division with more than two hundred armored vehicles, they not only have the ability to absorb strike corp level assault but also can counter attack into Pakistan.

I'm talking about territorial gains, IA captured most of land area opposite Naya Chhor, not Turtok or Kargil.

23 miles not km, that's about 37km, in 5 days. Yahya Khan's appointment was done to slow down the assault, as Ayub was hoping to not aggravate the situation enough to cause an IA attack across the IB. Thus the speed slowed down and yes IA reinforcements did help. But the cost was heavy, 2,006 IA casualties, 11 tanks and about 490km2.

In 71, there was an indpt. armoured brigade under 10th Div command.

Anyways, the IA can defend succeed or fail, depends on tactical prowess of the wartime commander and I'd say we are both right in our own ways.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Where is yours?

Barking Dogs Seldom Bites.......Hush...Hush

I agree. That is why India is safe and why Kashmir will always be a part of India.

 

[Viking 63]

PLEASE don't discourage innovative thinking. How do you know that the downstream areas would not flourish with an occasional flooding? Did not the delta of the Nile flourish precisely because of the flooding of the Nile?



....Or anything else that seems useful. Once the first attack has been made, how the other side retaliates is wide open.

Off topic, welcome back I have not seen you for long time any reason ??