Show your prejudice!
Truth is ethnic independent. If you think otherwise, only appropriate description is “ myopic” and “racist”.
Let’s go for rational discussion, if you are sincere.
BTW, I assure you many Americans are ignorant, because they don't have to care. Hopefully we don't fall into that category.
You are free to hold your opinions.
The fact (not opinion) is,
the Han Chinese had control over Xinjiang, where multiple ethnics thrived there except Turkic people, as early as West Han Dynasty around 60 BC, with its headquarters at Wulei (now in North Tarim Basin). Later, an extension of Great Wall, a typical symbol of ancient Chinese sphere of control,
was built 300 miles into present Gansu-Xinjiang border.
The Uighurs seemed to appear (only) around 3 DC as Han Dynasty declines.
The resurrection of Tang Dynasty witnessed re-control of Xinjiang, with two military commanderies in Anxi (640) and Beiting (702) in the north and south of the Tian Shan. The decrease of Tang dynasty helped Arabic influence in these areas. Nonetheless,
Mongolian still remained as the language at that time.
Yuan had also incorporated the region into China, but Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) asserted its firm control over it.
Remind you that, China is a multi-ethnic country with Han the majority.
There are Russians and Kazaks, etc. They look different and speak differently from Han, and share no heritage of the Chinese. Should each and every of those ethnics declare independence form China?
National self-determination is a controversial issue. While people are entitled with the rights to shake off the shackles of colonists and imperialism, it is also believed that ‘Yet if every ethnic, religious or linguistic group claimed statehood, there would be no limit to fragmentation, and peace, security and well-being for all would become ever more difficult to achieve.’ (UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali stated in his otherwise upbeat 1992 report <An Agenda for Peace>).
Peevishness doesn’t make a claim any more appealing.
You don’t have to heed US government, and I certainly don't. I only represent myself, as an individual, not US government.
I oppose Taiwan independence. I oppose Tibet independence. Because for those particular cases, “there would be no limit to fragmentation, and peace, security and well-being for all would become ever more difficult to achieve”.
As history and facts demonstrates,
Uyghurs are not the first people living in that land. Other ethnics and Han Chinese controlled the land 60 BC and earlier, whereas Turkic speakers started to have influence only when Tang declined.
By your logic, Turkic speakers should also evacuate the land and yield to Han or to those pre Han ethnics. How ridiculous!
Human rights issue has to be addressed in China in general, and in Xinjiang, Tibet and anywhere else in particular. Secession is not a solution. Instead, a worsened human rights record can be foreseen.
Now I want to get to the meat of your argument as this is the most appetizing part of the debate.
"The fact (not opinion) is, the Han Chinese had control over Xinjiang, where multiple ethnics thrived there except Turkic people, as early as West Han Dynasty around 60 BC, with its headquarters at Wulei (now in North Tarim Basin). Later, an extension of Great Wall, a typical symbol of ancient Chinese sphere of control, was built 300 miles into present Gansu-Xinjiang border.
The Uighurs seemed to appear (only) around 3 DC as Han Dynasty declines. -gpit
Let me begin.
You claim the Han Chinese had control over "Xinjiang" but specifically the West Han Dynasty around 60 BC.
Well my research shows how exaggerated your claims are. I also found out much of the information you posted is from Chinese Government sources on Chinese history.
The truth is one the history at least exploration and written history of "Xinjiang" or East Turkistan dates back even further and before the arrival of the West Han Dynasty which is around 60 BC. There was one group of Turkic-Mongoloid Nomads that settled in the region now known as East Turkistan/Xinjiang. That is the
Xiongnu, a predominant group of Nomadic Turks with also Mongoloid tribes. They entered "Xinjiang" around the 3rd-2nd BC this predates the arrival of Chinese settlers by over 200 years.
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Xiongnu
nomadic pastoral people who at the end of the 3rd century bc formed a great tribal league that was able to dominate much of Central Asia for more than 500 years. China’s wars against the Xiongnu, who were a constant threat to the country’s northern frontier throughout this period, led to the Chinese exploration and conquest of much of Central Asia."
Source:
Xiongnu (people) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
Now what we must look at who were the Xiongnu genetically, what ethnic people were they?
"Though there is still much debate as to who exactly the Xiongnu were, or whether they were identical to the Huns, the prevailing theory is that the Huns were the Xiongnu, and archeological and linguistic evidence suggests a Turkic origin for them."
Source:
http://www.colorq.org/Meltingpot/article.aspx?d=Asia&x=ChineseTurks
Read below about some recent discoveries on Central Asian and Xiongnu history and origins in regards to early Turkic peoples.
"The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia.
Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. T
his supports other studies indicating that Turkish tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period. "
Source:
Ancient DNA Tells Tales from the Grave
We are not simply talking about the arrival of the Uyghurs we are talking about the Turks whom the Uyghurs stem from, the early Turkic empires are the origins of the Uyghurs. The first Turkic empire "The Great Hun Empire The Great Hun Empire ( 204 BC - 216 AD)" actually first ruled the region now known as E. Turkistan/Xinjiang in the 3rd-2nd centuries BC, again this predates the arrival of the West Han Dynasty by 200 years at least.
The following states and empires were founded by the Turks;
* The Great Hun Empire ( 204 BC - 216 AD )
* The Western Hun Empire ( 48 - 216 )
* The European Hun Empire ( 375 - 454 )
* The Akhun Empire ( 420 - 562 )
* The Gok Turk Empire ( 552 - 743 )
* The Avar Empire ( 565 - 803 )
* The Khazar Empire ( 651 - 983 )
* The Uigur State ( 744 - 1335 )
* The Karahan State ( 940 - 1040 )
* The Ghaznavid State ( 963 - 1183 )
* The Great Seljuk Empire ( 1040- 1157 )
* The Harzemshah State ( 1157 - 1231 )
* The Altınordu State ( 1236 - 1502 )
* The Tamberlane Empire ( 1368 - 1501 )
* The Babur Empire ( 1526 - 1858 )
* The Ottoman Empire ( 1299 - 1922 )
Source:
Turkey travel Guide, all the info about Turkey
"The feared mounted warriors of the Hun Empire of Europe now are
believed to have descended from the Xiongnu of Inner Mongolia. It was primarily the Xiongnu."
Source:
Nomadic Art
Here is a map of the "Great Hum Empire" which was the first Turkic Empire when it existed in the 3rd BC - 2nd C.E/AD (that is around 400 years of existence), notice on the right side of the picture you see the Chinese Han dynasty in red.
Here is an
earlier map of territory first settled and rules by the Turkic "The Great Hun Empire", the first Turkic Empire.
As everyone can see the first Turkic empire "Great Hun" or "Hun" Empire covered Mongolia, Northern China, and most importantly EAST TURKISTAN! The first and second picture clearly show the Turkic Hun Empire predated any Chinese settlement or entrance in Xinjiang by at least 200 years.
Source:
http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/husa/origins/hunhist/hunart.html
Also the Chinese by your own admission entered these Turkic lands around 60 BC under the West Han Dynasty and established the "Protectorate of the Western Regions" to try and manage the newly entered land of East Turkistan, which was already settled by Turkic Hun peoples.
Let's not forget that historically Turks have lived in East Turkistan longer than any other Mongoloid or Chinese Han people. The Gokturk empire The Khazar empire the Uyghur state and other Turkic empires all lived in the region much much longer than any Chinese people.
I put a lot of time in this post to do intense research.
