Cultural history holds back Chinese research

[gambit]

Your anti-China views are well known.

And the Chinese boys' racism here are as well.

I am suggesting you ease up on the anti-China mudslinging. 99% of your posts are innuendo and b.s. claims. I rarely see a reputable citation.

To you guys, the word 'reputable' mean what/whoever that happens to agree to your favor. EET is a credible professional publication. So are EDN and DigiTimes. IEEExplore contains hundreds of articles detailing forensic investigations involving China and theft, many of them have Chinese authors and who acknowledged such thievery is to be expected by foreigners doing business in China.

IEEE Xplore - Steal this software and this DVD, and this book, and this handbag, and this car... [intellectual property]

This paper discusses the problem of piracy and intellectual property theft in China. The Internet has become the most common vehicle for software piracy in China. But it's not just software that is being pirated. In virtually every manufacturing sector - pharmaceuticals, fashion, tobacco, consumer electronics, car parts, even baby food - counterfeiting and copying in China are rampant. Despite an ongoing national campaign to stamp them out, they're on the rise, according to many foreign and Chinese business people forced to cope with the consequences.

Your arguments are meaningless to professionals, technical and other areas, whose jobs are impacted by this quasi-governmentally approved tactic in order for China to become a 'First World' level country.

 

[below_freezing]

intellectual property is an artificial concept that has no natural basis in history, but the whole world is forced to use by the imperialist powers in order to slow down the development of non-allied developing nations.

there are no patents on the F-22.

 

[gambit]

intellectual property is an artificial concept that has no natural basis in history, but the whole world is forced to use by the imperialist powers in order to slow down the development of non-allied developing nations.

Fine. Then develop things on your own. The concept of intellectual property is no more and no less 'artificial' than any other concepts we have. It is easier with materially concrete items like land regarding titles and use rights, but both are just as artificial as intellectual property.

 

[Martian2]

Fine. Then develop things on your own. The concept of intellectual property is no more and no less 'artificial' than any other concepts we have. It is easier with materially concrete items like land regarding titles and use rights, but both are just as artificial as intellectual property.

How much do you reckon the West owes China for using the Chinese inventions of paper, printing press, compass, and gunpowder?

Every time you write on a piece of paper, that's a violation of a Chinese invention. You're using it without paying a royalty. Every time you pick up a pencil or a pen, you have committed a crime against a Chinese intellectual property.

Every book that has been published and that you've read, that's another violation of a Chinese invention.

All Western ships which relied on the compass for sailing have committed endless violations of the Chinese invention of the compass.

Every gun that has ever been fired by the West has been a violation of the Chinese invention of gunpowder.

The way I see it, the West has been violating fundamental and important Chinese inventions for hundreds of years. You are in no position to complain.

You have been using Chinese intellectual property for centuries without payment. When can we expect to see a multi-trillion dollar royalty check with interest?

 

[gambit]

How much do you reckon the West owes China for using the Chinese inventions of paper, printing press, compass, and gunpowder?

Every time you write on a piece of paper, that's a violation of a Chinese invention. You're using it without paying a royalty. Every time you pick up a pencil or a pen, you have committed a crime against a Chinese intellectual property.

Every book that has been published and that you've read. That's another violation of a Chinese invention.

All Western boats which relied on the compass for sailing have committed endless violations of the Chinese invention of the compass.

Every gun that has ever been fired by the West has been a violation of the Chinese invention of gunpowder.

The way I see it, the West has been violating fundamental and important Chinese patents for hundreds of years. You are in no position to complain.

You have been using Chinese intellectual property for centuries without payment. When can we expect to see a multi-trillion dollar royalty check with interest?

Then considering how much China poached from others in modern times, we can call it even.

 

[Martian2]

Then considering how much China poached from others in modern times, we can call it even.

I agree. Let's call it even.

You started the intellectual property theft and it's kinda evened out. Call it a wash and we can all move on.

 

[Birbal]

I'm sorry but individualist America is terrible at research. All the research here is done by people from Asia or former WarPac countries...

 

[Martian2]

If you want to carp at China for intellectual property violations then your society better not violate China's inventions of paper, printing press, compass, and gunpowder. If you're using those Chinese inventions, you better not whine about Chinese behavior. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

What does a society without using Chinese inventions look like?

If your civilization communicates with clay tablets, copies clay tablets by hand, navigates strictly by looking at the stars (and don't forget to not sail on cloudy days), and fights with bows and arrows, you may complain about China and intellectual property. All others, shut the hell up.

 

[gambit]

I agree. Let's call it even.

You started the intellectual property theft and it's kinda evened out. Call it a wash and we can all move on.

If you want to carp at China for intellectual property violations then your society better not violate China's inventions of paper, printing press, compass, and gunpowder. If you're using those Chinese inventions, you better not whine about Chinese behavior. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

What does a society without using Chinese inventions look like?

If your civilization communicates with stone tablets, copies stone tablets by hand, navigates strictly by looking at the stars (and don't forget to not sail on cloudy days), and fights with bows and arrows, you may complain about China and intellectual property. All others, shut the hell up.

Here is what you obviously do not understand about 'intellectual property', which is understandable since you probably never worked in an environment where creativity is constantly encouraged and risks taken...

The idea of 'intellectual property' rights as espoused is not about an idea but about the EXECUTION of said idea. That execution would involve mechanisms and methods of exploitation of those mechanisms and would be unique from executor to executor.

For example...The idea of 'printing' originated, as far as we know, not from China but earlier with cylinder seals in Mesopotamia. That is an execution and the Mesopotamian society is an executor. Later came woodblock printing which is another execution and China is an executor. Movable type was co-invented by Chinese and Koreans. The word 'co-invented' does not mean they collaborated but that both societies independently invented the method pretty much in similar time range, not necessarily at the exact same time. Then came the rotary, offset, gravure, and today we have the shooting of tiny amounts of liquids controlled by machine languages. Each method require new collaborative inventions, intentional or not, peripheral or direct, to make it commercially successful. Over time, one method may no longer be worthwhile to support in development and will be abandoned.

Intellectual property rights as a principle is not about preventing others from trying to find new execution methods but about the protection of the CURRENT execution from others trying to claim it as their own and profit from such action.

 

[Martian2]

Here is what you obviously do not understand about 'intellectual property', which is understandable since you probably never worked in an environment where creativity is constantly encouraged and risks taken...

The idea of 'intellectual property' rights as espoused is not about an idea but about the EXECUTION of said idea. That execution would involve mechanisms and methods of exploitation of those mechanisms and would be unique from executor to executor.

For example...The idea of 'printing' originated, as far as we know, not from China but earlier with cylinder seals in Mesopotamia. That is an execution and the Mesopotamian society is an executor. Later came woodblock printing which is another execution and China is an executor. Movable type was co-invented by Chinese and Koreans. The word 'co-invented' does not mean they collaborated but that both societies independently invented the method pretty much in similar time range, not necessarily at the exact same time. Then came the rotary, offset, gravure, and today we have the shooting of tiny amounts of liquids controlled by machine languages. Each method require new collaborative inventions, intentional or not, peripheral or direct, to make it commercially successful. Over time, one method may no longer be worthwhile to support in development and will be abandoned.

Intellectual property rights as a principle is not about preventing others from trying to find new execution methods but about the protection of the CURRENT execution from others trying to claim it as their own and profit from such action.

Here is what you don't understand. Chinese people don't care about your ridiculous excuses. You do not have a license from the Chinese government (which represents the Chinese people) to use Chinese inventions.

Without said license, you have appropriated Chinese intellectual property for your use without payment. You're a pirate. Capiche?

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Chinese invention of the printing press pre-dated Gutenberg by 650 years.

http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/blockprint.htm

"The Invention of Block Printing in China, AD 800. ... Gutenberg's movable type printing press about 1450 AD is often cited as the single greatest invention for ..."

http://www.renaissanceconnection.org/lesson_science_technology.html

"The invention of printing really began with the invention of paper, in China, in the ... This system became known as the movable type printing press and made it ..."

 

[gambit]

Here is what you don't understand. Chinese people don't care about your ridiculous excuses. You do not have a license from the Chinese government (which represents the Chinese people) to use Chinese inventions.

Without said license, you have appropriated Chinese intellectual property for your use without payment. You're a pirate. Capiche?

Sounds like somebody got busted for not knowing what the hell he is talking about......Looks like you need more than that one year as a production operator moving FOUPs around.

 

[Martian2]

Sounds like somebody got busted for not knowing what the hell he is talking about......Looks like you need more than that one year as a production operator moving FOUPs around.

Look, nobody likes a weasel. Either you're going to respect someone else's intellectual property or you won't. No one cares about all these excuses that you want to make up.

If the West expects China to respect its intellectual property, China expects some good faith and fair dealing from the West in respecting Chinese inventions of paper, printing press, compass, and gunpowder.

If you're going to pirate Chinese inventions, stop whining. We can play your game of making excuses too.

 

[gambit]

Look, nobody likes a weasel. Either you're going to respect someone else's intellectual property or you won't. No one cares about all these excuses that you want to make up.

If the West expects China to respect its intellectual property, China expects some good faith and fair dealing from the West in respecting Chinese inventions of paper, printing press, compass, and gunpowder.

If you're going to pirate Chinese inventions, stop whining. We can play your game of making excuses too.

Speaking of weasels, even if we go by your flawed understanding of the current notion of 'intellectual property' and absurd argument, you would still lose.

How many computer languages out there that are free and China uses them? The transistor was invented by whom and did the inventor go after China for royalty? Satellite assisted navigation? Looks like Beidou copied the concept from US. Firearms? Sorry, but even though China may be the originator of gunpowder, what we know as 'the gun' and all of its advancements departed from Chinese origins a long time ago. The list goes on.

Give it up and return to pushing wafer boats and FOUPs, obviously you do not have the intellect to develop thinking skills beyond that repetitious duty.

 

[Martian2]

Speaking of weasels, even if we go by your flawed understanding of the current notion of 'intellectual property' and absurd argument, you would still lose.

How many computer languages out there that are free and China uses them? The transistor was invented by whom and did the inventor go after China for royalty? Satellite assisted navigation? Looks like Beidou copied the concept from US. Firearms? Sorry, but even though China may be the originator of gunpowder, what we know as 'the gun' and all of its advancements departed from Chinese origins a long time ago. The list goes on.

Give it up and return to pushing wafer boats and FOUPs, obviously you do not have the intellect to develop thinking skills beyond that repetitious duty.

All of those ideas were developed by scientists who wrote their ideas on paper. That's right, a Chinese invention.

You used a Chinese invention to facilitate the discovery of other inventions. Therefore, China still has a claim on your derivative inventions that flowed from the unlicensed use of Chinese paper.

 

[gambit]

All of those ideas were developed by scientists who wrote their ideas on paper. That's right, a Chinese invention.

You used a Chinese invention to facilitate the discovery of other inventions. Therefore, China still has a claim on your derivative inventions that flowed from the unlicensed use of Chinese paper.

Yeah...We can regress back to the caveman Thag who discovered fire and how to control it as well. The more you continue with this absurd line of argument, you more fool you look. Go back to pushing wafer boats and FOUPs. That seems to be the height of your intellectual capability.