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Credit crisis begins to cripple Chinese cities - Economic Times

As the Chinese economy boomed, few cities soared faster or higher than Shenmu, a community of nearly 500,000 in northwestern China.

Top luxury clothing stores in this city's downtown were recording as much as $500,000 a day in sales. Tables at the best restaurants had to be reserved weeks in advance. The new Fortune Garden Club for the city's business elite made headlines by paying $1 million for a king-size mahogany bed, to be used by members and their companions.

But a painful credit crisis is now spreading across Shenmu and cities nearby, as thousands of businesses have closed, fleets of BMWs and Audis have been repossessed and street protests have erupted.

Now the leading purveyors of Western fashions are deserted, monthly sales at restaurants are down as much as 97 percent and the marble entrance to the Fortune Garden Club is shuttered. All but one of the city's car dealerships have failed. The owner of the city's largest jewelry store was detained by the authorities a week ago after creditors found him secretly packing millions of dollars' worth of gold and jewels into cases and accused him of preparing to flee the city without settling his debts. A top restaurant closed a day earlier, and its owner left town, as have the founder of the Fortune Garden and many other executives.

"It's an economic crisis just like the United States has had; just like it," said Wang Ting, an operator of an illegal casino in Fugu, near Shenmu. "There's no cash, everyone stays home without a job, there's no way the economy can recover."

Shenmu, and nearby cities like Ordos and Fugu, are at the leading edge of broader troubles that are beginning to afflict the entire Chinese economy. Across China, growth has slowed. With the slowdown have come rising defaults on loans made outside the conventional banking system, chronic overcapacity in many industries like coal mining and steel production and, in particularly troubled cities like Shenmu, a sharp decline in previously debt-fueled prices for real estate and other assets.

The cracks are showing in many sizable cities like coastal Wenzhou, where informal lending, a big part of so-called shadow banking, has dominated for a quarter-century. Cities with economies linked to commodities with falling prices have also been affected, as more people have defaulted on loans. The biggest, most economically diverse metropolitan areas like Beijing and Shanghai seem considerably less affected, but also have many small and medium-size businesses that depend on informal lending.

Lending has collapsed here in northern Shaanxi province, where it had been particularly speculative and frenzied, and where the local coal industry has also been crippled by steeply falling prices.

As some borrowers began defaulting early this year, worried lenders in the informal sector raised interest rates for small and medium-size businesses, previously 25 to 40 percent a year, to as much as 125 percent a year. The increase set off a much broader wave of defaults in recent weeks, as owners found themselves unable to repay billions of dollars in bad debts, many of them handwritten and hard to enforce in court.

"Almost no one will give you a loan," said a construction executive who gave only his surname, Xie, as he stood next to his white Toyota Land Cruiser outside a project that had been halted.
 
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PRC is beginning to unravel just as its papa (USSR) did about a quarter of a century ago. :laugh:

Perhaps, Guangzhou Republic will take over PRC's UNSC seat ... but will it derserve it?

And what if other new republics put up competing claims?

Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan didn't contest Russia's .. so that was simple. :tup:
 
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Nonsense sources and link posted by Indian member.. Look at the currency slip and see who is lying.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/...activity-more-stable-than-you-think-1.1498755

So just what is happening with the Chinese economy? Are the bulls or the bears right?
The bears have been much in evidence in the past few months, as economic data painted a picture of a slowdown in the world’s second largest economy. The prospect of a hard landing was looking very real, and the global economy began to steel itself for the repercussions.
Then, after months of hard landing fears, suddenly the data turned China’s way.
Industrial production was up 9.7 per cent in July from a year earlier, the biggest increase since February, while trade data showed both exports and imports increasing – exports were 5.1 per cent and imports 10.9 per cent, higher than a year earlier.
Retail sales were virtually unchanged in July from June, increasing 13.2 per cent from a year earlier, as was fixed asset investment, which in July was up 20.1 per cent year-on-year, and property investment was up 20.5 per cent year-on-year.
The consumer price index in July was unchanged from June at 2.7 per cent, while producer prices continued to fall but at a slightly slower rate than in June.
The backdrop is that there has been a certain amount of confusion about China’s growth targets. Finance Minister Lou Jiwei told reporters in Washington on July 11 that 6.5 per cent growth could be tolerated, but the state news agency Xinhua subsequently changed the report to quote Lou saying there was no doubt that China would achieve 7.5 per cent.
Premier Li Keqiang, who is charged with economic reform, said last month that seven per cent growth was China’s “bottom line”.
The credit rating agency Moody’s believes that China has put the worst behind it, as statistics for July showed that China’s economy was returning to normal status, but it did warn that recovery will be at a slow pace.
Geoff Raby, head of Geoff Raby & Associates and a former Australian ambassador to China, believes that the markets, and the media, overreact to economic data out of China.
In a column in the Business Spectator entitled “China bears lumber back to their caves”, he said that calling a recovery or a stabilising of the Chinese economy is just as misguided as saying it was in meltdown just a few weeks ago.
“China’s economy has not been in a slump. The published data show that, over the course of five or six quarters, growth has slowed from somewhere near the top end of the seven to eight per cent range to somewhere near the lower end – hardly a crash.
Viewed over the full year, China’s economy is neither recovering nor slowing, but has recorded a fairly consistent growth rate throughout the course of this year,” he said.
Australian commentary on the Chinese economy is valued by investors because Australia’s economic well-being is so dependent on China. Australia is China’s biggest iron-ore supplier and exports to what is now its largest trading partner have almost quadrupled in five years.
Capital Economics said in a research note that data in the past month has brought some hope that economic conditions in China, and in another of the four BRICs – Brazil – might be improving, but it remains cautious.
“In China, data on trade, industrial production and investment have all surprised on the upside. For a start, the rebound in China has been driven by investment and fuelled by credit. This looks unsustainable,” its team wrote.
Capital Economics points out that China’s imports of commodities in particular were strong, which bodes well for commodity-exporting emerging market economies, which have struggled over the past year or so.
“Forward-looking indicators are also starting to improve. A weighted average of Markit’s ‘export climate index’ picked up in July and is consistent with an acceleration in emerging market export growth over the coming months,” the note said.
Slower growth is certainly there, however. The number of millionaires, or those with wealth worth at least 10 million yuan (€1.23 million) – rose by just three per cent year-on-year to 1.05 million, according to the Hurun Research Institute and consultancy GroupM Knowledge. And the number of “super rich” with at least €12.3 million rose by just two per cent, the survey showed.
 
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Reminds me of a person throwing rocks while living in a glass house.
Indian Rupee = 62.38 Vs USD.
 
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Shenmu, a city built on resources, it had the first free medical care for all and schooling. Btw city is not the right word, china's system of admin is not quite the same as the west. It is bigger than a village smaller than a city.

As economics slowed, and alternative energy sources used, especially energy deals with russia, the coal prices dropped. It didn't help that business fraud was also there. They massively over extended.

This is a special case, when the cities that matters in china or actual cities and not these 400,000 people towns. Come on you guys live in india you know how important a place with only 400,000 is to a country of our size.

Let me know when dalian, my home, guangzhou, or even a minor, just million people city starts to be like this you let me know.
 
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PRC is beginning to unravel just as its papa (USSR) did about a quarter of a century ago. :laugh:

Perhaps, Guangzhou Republic will take over PRC's UNSC seat ... but will it derserve it?

And what if other new republics put up competing claims?

Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan didn't contest Russia's .. so that was simple. :tup:

What you said is nothing to do with this thread. Stop day dreaming. It's about financial dilemma.
 
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Reminds me of a person throwing rocks while living in a glass house.
Indian Rupee = 62.38 Vs USD.

The Indian troll are famous for smearing campaign. They are humiliate by their rupee fall and are in desperate smearing campaign to drag China down. Fortunately, they are as inefficient as the PM singh trying to save the rupee fall. :lol:
 
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Reminds me of a person throwing rocks while living in a glass house.
Indian Rupee = 62.38 Vs USD.

Same can work for you too..

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Easy Credit Dries Up, Choking Growth in China

The Indian troll are famous for smearing campaign. They are humiliate by their rupee fall and are in desperate smearing campaign to drag China down. Fortunately, they are as inefficient as the PM singh trying to save the rupee fall. :lol:

Lol, so you are claiming there is no economic concerns in China. right? Also don't show your insecurity by bringing in unrelated stuff in the thread.

A simple google can list out all the Chinese economic updates but Indians are not shameless like Chinese on this forum to open a new thread for each search result.
 
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Same can work for you too..

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Easy Credit Dries Up, Choking Growth in China



Lol, so you are claiming there is no economic concerns in China. right? Also don't show your insecurity by bringing in unrelated stuff in the thread.

A simple google can list out all the Chinese economic updates but Indians are not shameless like Chinese on this forum to open a new thread for each search result.

Facts remains a fact. Posting propaganda articles isn't going to support your claim.
Fact=Chinese Yuan is growing stronger by the minute.
Fact=Indian Rupee is falling harder by the minute.
 
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Same can work for you too..

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Easy Credit Dries Up, Choking Growth in China



Lol, so you are claiming there is no economic concerns in China. right? Also don't show your insecurity by bringing in unrelated stuff in the thread.

A simple google can list out all the Chinese economic updates but Indians are not shameless like Chinese on this forum to open a new thread for each search result.

Another classic example of shameless tatic by Indian troll. It is the troll who start all this China economic crumbling and then accuse us of shameless to retort them of the real facts.

Are you telling me Rupee vs US dollar 62:1 is lie created by me?

Poor India, want to borrow money? We got 3 trillion reserves. :lol:
 
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Same can work for you too..

read more.

Easy Credit Dries Up, Choking Growth in China



Lol, so you are claiming there is no economic concerns in China. right? Also don't show your insecurity by bringing in unrelated stuff in the thread.

A simple google can list out all the Chinese economic updates but Indians are not shameless like Chinese on this forum to open a new thread for each search result.

I guess that jay what's his name is chinese too and a communist plot too then, with his new thread every 2 hours.
 
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Facts remains a fact. Posting propaganda articles isn't going to support your claim.
Fact=Chinese Yuan is growing stronger by the minute.
Fact=Indian Rupee is falling harder by the minute.

What is propaganda in the news of Chinese credit issues?

Chinese Yuan is tightly controlled by China so it can be take in either direction as the manipulators desires. Btw, rising Yuan is a bad news for Chinese exports.

Another classic example of shameless tatic by Indian troll. It is the troll who start all this China economic crumbling and then accuse us of shameless to retort them of the real facts.

Are you telling me Rupee vs US dollar 62:1 is lie created by me?

Poor India, want to borrow money? We got 3 trillion reserves. :lol:

Why are you keen on talking about unrelated things? Look at the NYT report and comment based on that.

Keep your 3 trillion dollars reserves in your reserve as China itself will need it soon.
 
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This is actually a good thing this means that the excessive credit expantion in the Chinese economy is now on the decline. It will lead to slower growth and more bankruptcies and higher unemployment in the short term but China will get more stability in the long run.

PS the INR is now at 63,75 to the USD :P
 
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