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CPEC A Detailed Analysis

Good. Look forward to it. My take is simple. CPEC is -

  • neither a magic wand that will instantly transform Pakistan into a booming success story
  • neither a convoluted conspiracy by Beijing to enslave Pakistan with debt as some Indian's are suggesting.

On the other hand the reality is somewhere in between. It is a huge opportunity and only the second one as huge to happen in history of Pakistan since the 1960s US/Pak entente. The opportunity is huge but we Pakistani's - all of us. Government, businesmen, people have to grab and then if we all work together like crazy, like we did with nukes then success is guaranteed. We will reap ten times the cost of CPEC at $70. billion.

So it is up to us. If we start fighting, deflecting and fail to use this opportunity to become a trading nation that CPEC offers us then yes we will end up with huge debt but no means to pay.

Choice is ours to make.
Pakistanis should think "We will eat grass, but make CPEC a success"..and this frame of mind should be generalized..
I am personally optimistic about CPEC.. from what I understand from the project which is a project of Mega-projects..and takes some time as all projects do..if one is familiar with project management.. let alone Multi-projects management at the same time.. give it its due time and work hard on it, the benefits will be huge..
 
CPEC debt comes with sovereign guarantees and guaranteed profits. Also the stuff that's been converted to grants is fine, but the principle on the interest free loan still has to be paid.

Most of the CPEC related information has been secret anyway. So nothing can be said beyond that. We will know when the time to repay the loans will come up.


Yes Most Power Purchase Agreements Come Wit Such Guarantees And The 17% Was Given Under The Power Policy Of 2013 Available To All Investors And Was Not Some Extraordinary Concession To The Chinese
 
The 300 Bed Hospital and state of the art school is also built on a grant

According to ministry of planning and development of Pakistan the project will start its benefits by 2023 - 25 and would be booming by 2030.
 
Yes Most Power Purchase Agreements Come Wit Such Guarantees And The 17% Was Given Under The Power Policy Of 2013 Available To All Investors And Was Not Some Extraordinary Concession To The Chinese

That guarantee is only for foreign investors.

The bigger problem is Pakistan govt's external debt is $70.5B. This is not counting CPEC.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1636130/2-pakistans-external-debt-liabilities-touch-89-billion/

In comparison, the Indian govt's external debt is about $112B.
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So that's where the problem will come from.

Anyway, we will know when the time to pay back the loans come up. Whether it was a good idea or not, we will know by then.
 
Is there any study which would estimate the number of jobs created directly or indirectly because of CPEC in the next 10 years in Pakistan?
 
Another Idiotic Comparison:Venezuela
As Usual Endians Having A Wet Dream Again:disagree::disagree::disagree::rofl::rofl::rofl:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...chinas-new-venezuela/articleshow/61822180.cms

The Difference between Pakistan and Venezuela:
Pakistan and Venezuela Are Two Completely Different Economies.Pakistan Is A Private Sector Dominated Free Market Economy Whereas Venezuela Is A Bolivarian Socialist Economy.Pakistan's Exports Cover A Limited But A Diverse Array Of Products Rice,Textiles, Sports Goods,Light Engineering etc. Plus Remittances Whereas Venezuela's Export Is 90% Oil!!!!!Such Obscene Overdependence On One Commodity Made Venezuelan Economy Highly Vulnerable.So When Oil Prices Crashed Bolivarian Socialism Began To Unravel

Now Here Is The Problem With The Late Hugo Chavez's Economic Policy.He Became So Dependent On Oil That He Completely Neglected Other Sectors Of The Economy.A Very Dangerous Aspect Was That B'coz Of High Oil Prices Chavez Liberally Imported Food Products From Abroad Instead Of Developing Own Agriculture.The Result Widespread Food Shortage and Hunger.Thanks To Allah We Have A Vibrant Agriculture Sector That Though Not Perfect Is More Than Capable Of Meeting Our Food Needs.Unlike Venezuela We Have Pampered Our Farmers With Subsidies And Support Prices(Result:9 Million Tons Surplus Wheat).

So Venezuelan Economic Conditions Have More To Do With Mismanagment Of The Economy By Chavez and Maduro Than Chinese Debt.I Can Explain In Even Greater Detail If Anyone Wants.But It Is Stupid To Compare Pakistan and Venezuela B'Coz The Countres Have Two Completely Different Economic Orientations



Cant wait. Good luck.

Things I am interested with regard to CPEC includes,

1) When will the real benefits become apparent interms of 2 % GDP growth that we are expecting.
2) When will the industrial zones start exporting
3) Is CPEC a strategic project or a business one
4) There was talk about Railway line from Kashgar to Gwader, any update
5) Also what about the oil city in Gwader and subsequent oil pipeline for the same
6) Do you think would Chinese invest more , over and above $ 62 Billion in the years to come?
7) Do we have any figures interms of investment coming from private Chinese companies in these special economic zones ( thats obviously above this $ 62 Billion for the infrastructure).
8) Does CPEC have any military dimension to it
9) What is Pakistan doing to curb the media propaganda launched by India regarding CPEC.


I think we all very well know that CPEC is blessing for Pakistan, one doesnt have to be apologetic about it, as we have seen the massive benefits only in last 5 years.


Keep Following My Thread I Will Explain Everything
 
Another Idiotic Comparison:Venezuela
As Usual Endians Having A Wet Dream Again:disagree::disagree::disagree::rofl::rofl::rofl:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...chinas-new-venezuela/articleshow/61822180.cms

The Difference between Pakistan and Venezuela:
Pakistan and Venezuela Are Two Completely Different Economies.Pakistan Is A Private Sector Dominated Free Market Economy Whereas Venezuela Is A Bolivarian Socialist Economy.Pakistan's Exports Cover A Limited But A Diverse Array Of Products Rice,Textiles, Sports Goods,Light Engineering etc. Plus Remittances Whereas Venezuela's Export Is 90% Oil!!!!!Such Obscene Overdependence On One Commodity Made Venezuelan Economy Highly Vulnerable.So When Oil Prices Crashed Bolivarian Socialism Began To Unravel

Now Here Is The Problem With The Late Hugo Chavez's Economic Policy.He Became So Dependent On Oil That He Completely Neglected Other Sectors Of The Economy.A Very Dangerous Aspect Was That B'coz Of High Oil Prices Chavez Liberally Imported Food Products From Abroad Instead Of Developing Own Agriculture.The Result Widespread Food Shortage and Hunger.Thanks To Allah We Have A Vibrant Agriculture Sector That Though Not Perfect Is More Than Capable Of Meeting Our Food Needs.Unlike Venezuela We Have Pampered Our Farmers With Subsidies And Support Prices(Result:9 Million Tons Surplus Wheat).

So Venezuelan Economic Conditions Have More To Do With Mismanagment Of The Economy By Chavez and Maduro Than Chinese Debt.I Can Explain In Even Greater Detail If Anyone Wants.But It Is Stupid To Compare Pakistan and Venezuela B'Coz The Countres Have Two Completely Different Economic Orientations






Keep Following My Thread I Will Explain Everything

Use sentence casing. It's difficult to read your posts.
 
Good. Look forward to it. My take is simple. CPEC is -

  • neither a magic wand that will instantly transform Pakistan into a booming success story
  • neither a convoluted conspiracy by Beijing to enslave Pakistan with debt as some Indian's are suggesting.

On the other hand the reality is somewhere in between. It is a huge opportunity and only the second one as huge to happen in history of Pakistan since the 1960s US/Pak entente. The opportunity is huge but we Pakistani's - all of us. Government, businesmen, people have to grab and then if we all work together like crazy, like we did with nukes then success is guaranteed. We will reap ten times the cost of CPEC at $70. billion.

So it is up to us. If we start fighting, deflecting and fail to use this opportunity to become a trading nation that CPEC offers us then yes we will end up with huge debt but no means to pay.

Choice is ours to make.
CPEC is the basic infrastructure for accepting the industrial offshoring from China and other nations that will occur years from now and China's market expansion that will occur a bit sooner. Lets not settle and think this is the whole story, it is only a catalyst. China is trying to replicate the competitive factors from China's industrialization (still ongoing) for Pakistan. Infrastructure and cheap/stable/plentiful energy are important elements of this equation, especially for higher CAPEX and higher value industries.

JV between Changan and United Motors. More JVs would occur in the future.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chan...manufacturing-plant-in-pakistan-poste.565705/

Lower CAPEX industries would need entrepreneurial locals (not exclusive to low capex industries) to develop as there are too many niches for JVs or large firms to provide for. There are many overseas Pakistani entrepreneurs, which is a good sign for Pakistan but there needs to be a good investment and business environment within the nation. Overseas Pakistanis would play an important role in catalysing the development of the Pakistani economy in the next phase of development much like the role overseas Chinese played for China.

The best way for CPEC to succeed is if people were taking it in their own hands to enrich themselves and helping others to enrich themselves (not in a corrupt way of course). A shelter is only useful if people were living in it, a school building is only useful if students were attending and learning in it.

Branding of Gwadar (easier to brand/rebrand than other places) would be needed to serve as a beach head for invading the international market and expanding opportunities for other regions of Pakistan. A Dubai style branding is in my opinion unhealthy for the current stage, it can potentially kill Gwadar. Initially the idea of Gwadar only needs to be in the minds of businessmen for the purpose of setting up factories or initiating trade, the fancy stuff is for later down the road.

Pakistan can become a good production base for the MENA market due to proximity, competitive wages and a hard working population.
 
I have some questions related to cpec ..Since it is loan it should have positive effect on reserves ..Why we are seeing a negative trend ? What would have been it's effect if all these are executed by Pakistani companies on reserves ? The payment given to Chinese companies from this project has any relation with worsening trade deficit ?
 
I have some questions related to cpec ..Since it is loan it should have positive effect on reserves ..Why we are seeing a negative trend ? What would have been it's effect if all these are executed by Pakistani companies on reserves ? The payment given to Chinese companies from this project has any relation with worsening trade deficit ?


The Issue Is Not CPEC The Issue Was That In 2018 Some Of Our Debt Had Matured And This Debt Was Not Related To CPEC But It Was Debt Rescheduled Some 15 Years Ago Under a Paris Club Deal.Now This and Some Other Debt Had Matured.This Amounts To Some $5 to 6 Billion Dollars.

This Is Putting Strain On Our Forex Reserves.

Ishaq Dar Had Two Wonderful Opportunities To Rectify This But He Did Not And Now We Are Left To Clean Up His Mess
 
The Issue Is Not CPEC The Issue Was That In 2018 Some Of Our Debt Had Matured And This Debt Was Not Related To CPEC But It Was Debt Rescheduled Some 15 Years Ago Under a Paris Club Deal.Now This and Some Other Debt Had Matured.This Amounts To Some $5 to 6 Billion Dollars.

This Is Putting Strain On Our Forex Reserves.

Ishaq Dar Had Two Wonderful Opportunities To Rectify This But He Did Not And Now We Are Left To Clean Up His Mess
It's a bit hard to read your posts sir. :undecided:
 
Pakistan should ‘renegotiate’ some CPEC terms, agreements
By Bilal Memon
Published: August 17, 2018
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KARACHI: Islamabad should renegotiate some of the terms and agreements under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), the country’s business community says, as the new government prepares to tackle economic challenges and the pressure to reap benefits of the multi-billion dollar project.

CPEC is part of China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and involves billions of dollars worth of energy and infrastructure projects including the development of Gwadar Port in Balochistan, arguably Pakistan’s most neglected and underdeveloped province. While the previous government hailed and sold the project as a ‘game-changer’, onlookers as well as stakeholders feel details of the agreements under CPEC remain opaque, raising questions on the extent of the benefit to Pakistan and the simultaneous debt burden on the South Asian economy.

Country banking on CPEC to revive economy



With the country’s economic managers now facing a headache over the balance of payments’ position amid depleting foreign currency reserves, the business community feels this would be the right time to revisit some of the finer details of CPEC agreements as Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf’s (PTI) government prepares to take over to navigate the way forward.

“There is a need to renegotiate returns of power producers,” Ehsan Malik, chief executive of the Pakistan Business Council (PBC), told The Express Tribune. “The question needs to be asked if the new government can sustain this (high guaranteed returns).”

Under the framework agreement, Pakistan has set up a revolving fund and is required to deposit 22% of the value of power generated by CPEC energy projects to protect Chinese companies from the adverse effects of inter-corporate circular debt.

On the issue of investments and loans extended by Beijing and Chinese companies, Malik said Pakistan needs to make realistic projections and compile a comprehensive record of financial flows in a centralised manner to understand its debt burden and address its sustainability concerns. “There have been no projections and very little transparency. A financial close for the next 10 years needs to be developed by the central bank.”

Arif Habib, chairman of Pakistani conglomerate Arif Habib Group, feels the financial close of some projects under CPEC has remained slow, adding to cost escalation and inefficiency.

Additionally, while CPEC brings with it a number of benefits for Pakistan, including cheaper power, Gwadar Port’s transit fees could have been higher, said Habib.

His comments come in the wake of reports last year that 91% of the revenue to be generated from the Gwadar Port would go to China with Pakistan bagging the remaining share for the next 40 years.

China gives fresh assurance on CPEC financing

However, Ahsan Iqbal, Pakistan’s former minister for planning, development and reform, and the man who spearheaded CPEC negotiations with China during the previous government’s tenure, said a higher transit fees could make Gwadar Port uncompetitive. “If we increase the fees, the Chinese would increase the cost of port handling, which will make it uncompetitive,” said Iqbal in an emailed response to The Express Tribune. “No new concessions have been given to China in Gwadar. The Chinese were given the same treatment offered to the Singapore Port Authority for running Gwadar Port.

“Instead of increasing the fees, turnover should be increased to make the port an attractive destination.”

However, Iqbal agreed that some CPEC projects were facing delays due to fulfillment of procedural requirements. “They took time in securing NOCs and Environment Protection Agency clearances. (However) almost all priority energy projects have achieved financial close.” While projects under CPEC continue, the business community has also argued moving labour-intensive and export-based Chinese industries to Pakistan.

“The government could argue relocating Chinese industries to industrial zones in Pakistan,” said Habib, adding that the export-based companies could take advantage of various incentives.

Malik echoed the same view, but with words of caution. “Labour-intensive industries face a higher cost in western and eastern China. You get apparel-making industries to move to Pakistan as long as it is a win-win.

“We have to realise that any incentive offered under CPEC needs to result in a net increase – be it a net increase in jobs or foreign exchange reserves or a net increase in production. Simply getting Chinese industries to move and giving them incentives at the expense of present businesses will not benefit the country.”

Malik said the PTI is well-positioned to make its case. “The PTI remains a better organised party that understands business, and is well-informed.” The PBC chief said the combination of “astute leadership” and the fact that PTI will enjoy a stronghold in two of the four provinces and easy sailing in the third will augur well for its negotiations.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 17th, 2018.

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