CPC proposes change on Chinese president's term in Constitution

[bbccdd1470]

It would be nice if the development of China, or any other country for that matter, were in such a perfectly linear fashion. Xi and Hu each has his own role to play in different time and space. Hu could not have done what Xi has been doing, and vise versa.

He was just talking about things in general term, where he honestly doesn't know the different political situation between two leaders and what they were or are facing.

Patriotic Chinese already know that if Western media praises China, it's usually bad news for China. When they demonize China it's good for China in the long term.
Their tactics are getting too redundant and too 200 A.D.


I'm not understanding why the Indian monkeys and albinos are so upset about this. It doesn't even concern them. And if they think it's a bad thing for China they should encourage it. The fact they (west and white wannabes) are so pissed off at this situation that doesn't concern them mean it's a positive thing for the Chinese nation. Reunification will be sooner than later. The monkeys here cannot do shit about it.

No need to carry on the endless debate with things that don't concern them.

The point is the office of President of China is a ceremonial role and have no actual power whatsoever. What matter is the office of General Secretary of the CCP and Chairman of the Central Military Commission, which have the most power and without any term limit. In theory, if a person want to be dictator as some suggested here, holding those two offices is more than enough. Why so far not even one person become a dictator beside Mao? Because unlike the Western media always portray where ruling class in China is unchecked and ruled by individually, the leadership is actually ruled by collectively, and is holding accountable by both the national congress and the CCP.

Not to mention, "Limited term" also doesn't guarantee non corruption, such as the "one term" Korean President, where most of them were corrupted and many ended either in jail or suicide. Parliamentary system like UK also allow unlimited term as long as the party get its support by the people, so there have no universal laws to define how many term should be served, as long as that person is capable and best for the country.

Also look at the timeline, the end of the second term of President Xi will be 2023, where that is the critical moment for our economic transition and achieving the military parity with USA in Asia. We can not afford to allow any political crisis or instability at the time, since President Xi have been making a lot of enemies during his anti corruption campaign. We Chinese are practical people and we choose what is best for the moment, if unlimited term became a burden, then we simply change it back to "two term limit" like what Deng did in 1982.

 

[TaiShang]

Back in 80's when Deng decided to adopt "reform and opening policy", many Chinese had a sense of "going backward". 30 years have past, how many of them would insist the same? CCP's proposal was not a total shock to me, knowing the kind of person Xi is. I am neither for nor against this move, but would rather wait for a decade to see if Xi can justify his extraordinary move. He has a sense of mission and he may just be the person who can accomplish the biggest "Chinese Dream", the final unification of China, for a billion plus Chinese.

It is often the case, indeed, as majority is unable to see the long term; hence, the populism and over-determinism in some Western countries (as well as a bunch of non-Western ones) killing the hard established institutions of the past. The rinse and repeat function of term-limits and short-vision politics have become a virus.

This is, at least, one of the god-fathers of post-Cold War US war-democracy doctrinaire, Fukuyama, has been recently saying. The West (and bad Western copies) has become almost ungovernable because the system has generated a rigidity and very embedded forms of corruption. It looks fine and exactly by the book, but still, it generates immense corruption and rigidity.

Is it normal or uncorrupt for Trump's daughter doing foreign policy?

China is far from being in that rigid situation (at least for several decades to come and it in fact may never go rigid), hence, China will continue to experiment: The only way to find out the best path is to try new ways according to the demands of the time.

One thing is for sure: China cannot stop and take a break. This is not the moment. China has its eyes on the ultimate prize. President Xi obviously is laser-focused on this. Hence, a third term is more than required.

At the dawn of China's national rejuvenation, the last thing we want to see is the "Zigzag" policy change that we are witnessing in the US. The 3rd term may give Xi needed time to clean up a country of 1.4 billion, lead China to leapfrog "middle income trap" and take China to the next level.

What he is trying to do may not be understood by most Chinese until much later. It is Xi's destiny to be either "流芳千古" or "遗臭万年”.

There is no absolute scientific truth in social governance. Therefore, experimentation is the key. I have full faith in China's overall system, which is larger than persons, including President Xi. I believe that the system itself requires a longer term leadership for this time around. China's system has the agility and flexibility to make further revisions in the future as the conditions dictate. There is no absolute truth in here.

China does not subscribe to deterministic altruism propagated by some here. It is a poison, not a remedy. The West can enjoy its very stable and unchanging institutions (e.g., try to bring the number of US senators from 100 to 80 -- IMPOSSIBLE). China will continue to seek the best possible way. Who knows, in the future, further alignments are made.

We just have faith in the positive outcome, and so far, China's development, especially over the past 5 years under President Xi, has shown that China's governance model works for the country.

Of course a country that produces Dotards will be extremely vary of long term leadership.

It would be nice if the development of China, or any other country for that matter, were in such a perfectly linear fashion. Xi and Hu each has his own role to play in different time and space. Hu could not have done what Xi has been doing, and vise versa.

That paragraph you quoted is a perfect example of a lack of dialectical thinking. Those people see the world in a very linear fashion operating under very deterministic laws. That's a Western tradition: from Mackinder to Haushofer to Hitler, Truman and Churchill. Different shapes of the same fabric.

 

[ddlee96969]

me

LOL i had writen a resume for the job of primer. can you hire me? i plead you.

 

[Viva_Viet]

The most thing I feel disgusted about CCP is that they spread 50 cents all over the internet. They make false "People's opinion". Look at what we got here on this forum.

宪法不合其意就可以随便修宪，人民的代表只是CCP的傀儡，人民在他们面前就是个屁。习上台之后开足历史倒车，所谓的反腐就是铲除异己，自己监督自己能不腐败？现在终于露出真面目了，呵呵

Wow, one more CNese here dare to tell the truth. Yes. CN always have some good guys dare to tell the truth abt Cnese like Lu Xun who wrote " story of Ah Q".
__________________________

The story traces the "adventures" of Ah Q, a man from the rural peasant class with little education and no definite occupation. Ah Q is famous for "spiritual victories", Lu Xun's euphemism for self-talk and self-deception even when faced with extreme defeat or humiliation. Ah Q is a bully to the less fortunate but fearful of those who are above him in rank, strength, or power. He persuades himself mentally that he is spiritually "superior" to his oppressors even as he succumbs to their tyranny and suppression. Lu Xun exposes Ah Q's extreme faults as symptomatic of the Chinese national character of his time. The ending of the piece – when Ah Q is carted off to execution for a minor crime – is equally poignant and satirical.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Story_of_Ah_Q

 

[mike2000 is back]

Just be relaxed

Xi wont be another Mao or Stalin or whatever Middle-east or African strongmen, for the simple fact he dont have the kind of wide support from public nor he has the kind of accomplishment to justify that, Xi dont even enjoy the kind of support like Deng Xiaoping, and now it is the internet age.

The reason why Xi rose to power and do things he want now is because people, including many of the powerful old red guards hate serious corruption started in 1990s, and he gain his favors from alot of old red guards for his anti-corruption war, and gain alot of general public support for that as well.

The powerful old red guards and the so-called red-second-gen can put him in power despite the resistence from corrupted elites, and they can pull anyone out of power if they become corrupted, China has its own way of balance and check here.

To gain the popularity comparable to Mao or Stalin, he need to win wars, I mean not the kind of small war like Taiwan war etc, he get a very long way to go.

My father has friends from the so-called red-second-generation (sons of the old reds), with all the information I get, I believe Xi's goal is to elminate corruption, and the resistance is very heavy and powerful (money is a really powerful thing it has the magic to united men very strongly), if he ended his term just like Hu, the next chairman may not be as determined as Xi in elminating corrpution.

The US's corruption become out of control and come to a very advanced stage, where corrupted politicans re-wrtie laws to make their corruption legal, China should not become that, if Xi can take down corruption in China in 10-15 years, I think he will do China a big favor, and yes, it worth that.

And no, Xi's anti-corruption is not just a way to elminate the one who opposed him as west fake news love to say, he arrested some of his "allies" for corruption as well, including the recent General Fang Fenghui, who is a general promoted by Xi just a year ago or so, he just target everyone who are corrupted.

The thing is that China is a one party state, as such when or if a leader manages to consolidates too much power to push through basically anything he wants then that CAN become a problem with time. Since in this case, he can stay for as long as he wants and there is no real party or any powerful group/entity to challenge him. Eveeything else will be according to his whim. For example if Xi wants to remain in power for as long as he wants do you see any group or person who will dare go agianst him (and the party for that matter)? Especially in a situation where he has already consolidated his power over the party. Therein lies the issue IMO.

It's like for example if had say just the consevrative party as the only party AND Theresa May had managed to consolidate power to such an extent that there was no real opposition to her rule over the party.. She will be able to stay in power for as long as she wants wifhout any real outside(outside the party) threat. I guess there's a reason the two term limit was introduced in China to prevent such a situation in the first place. Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely(especially the longer you stay and the more power you have) . This applies to all human beings irrespective of race.

Anyway, we will see with time how things play out in future. We(including me) might all be wrong, who knows.

 

[Viva_Viet]

The thing is that China is a one party state, as such when or if a leader manages to consolidates too much power to push through basically anything he wants then that CAN become a problem with time. Since in this case, he can stay for as long as he wants and there is no real party or any powerful group/entity to challenge him. Eveeything else will be according to his whim. For example if Xi wants to remain in power for as long as he wants do you see any group or person who will dare go agianst him (and the party for that matter)? Especially in a situation where he has already consolidated his power over the party. Therein lies the issue IMO.

It's like for example if had say just the consevrative party as the only party AND Theresa May had managed to consolidate power to such an extent that there was no real opposition to her rule over the party.. She will be able to stay in power for as long as she wants wifhout any real outside(outside the party) threat. I guess there's a reason the two term limit was introduced in China to prevent such a situation in the first place. Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely(especially the longer you stay and the more power you have) . This applies to all human beings irrespective of race.

Anyway, we will see with time how things play out in future. We(including me) might all be wrong, who knows.

No,VNese are not wrong. U have low IQ, short vision, so u dont know what will happen. But Vnese predicted correcty few years ago that there will be a big chaos in CN in 2023

 

[kankan326]

Anti corruption campaign needs time longer than 10 years. It also needs wise and strong minded leader. It's a hard and dangerous task. I doubt Xi's successor would have the courage and capability to finish this task. The following 10-20 years is a very critical moment in China's history. China is at cross street now. Xi has proven himself to be a qualified leader. Letting Xi lead China to pass this sensitive moment may not be a bad choice. Changing another leader looks more risky.

 

[52051]

The thing is that China is a one party state, as such when or if a leader manages to consolidates too much power to push through basically anything he wants then that CAN become a problem with time. Since in this case, he can stay for as long as he wants and there is no real party or any powerful group/entity to challenge him. Eveeything else will be according to his whim. For example if Xi wants to remain in power for as long as he wants do you see any group or person who will dare go agianst him (and the party for that matter)? Especially in a situation where he has already consolidated his power over the party. Therein lies the issue IMO.

It's like for example if had say just the consevrative party as the only party AND Theresa May had managed to consolidate power to such an extent that there was no real opposition to her rule over the party.. She will be able to stay in power for as long as she wants wifhout any real outside(outside the party) threat. I guess there's a reason the two term limit was introduced in China to prevent such a situation in the first place. Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely(especially the longer you stay and the more power you have) . This applies to all human beings irrespective of race.

Anyway, we will see with time how things play out in future. We(including me) might all be wrong, who knows.

You seems still dont understand the point:

Let me put it this way:

The exact reason why Xi looks so powerful to you is because his anti-corruption war:

(1)Anti-corruption war win strong supports from not just old senior reds but also general public.

(2)Anti-corruption war make corrupted officials dont dare to opposite him openly, because they know they are dirty and wont surivie throughout investigation, actually corruption make one weak and lost courage to do things.

Note how the CCP is way more "heavy" hand during Mao's era than it is now? because in Mao's era, revoluationary generation are usually clean and they fear no backfash.

However if Xi can accomplish his goal and arrest corrupted officials, he will make a situtation where (clean) officials can stand up to him and against his order if needed.

China wont have a strongman like Middle-East, to make a strongman in China, you need to do something similiar to Mao/Stalin, Xi has a very very long way to go there even if he wanted that (which I dont believe based on what I heard).

And besides, what's point of become a strongman? Xi dont have son, and even Mao cannot install someone to take his job after he passed away.

Deng Xiaoping is a far better example, I think Xi want to follow him: retire with good reputation and still have very large influenece even after retirement, afterall, Xi has good characters and is smart, but before that, he need to get his job done.

 

[ddlee96969]

The thing is that China is a one party state, as such when or if a leader manages to consolidates too much power to push through basically anything he wants then that CAN become a problem with time. Since in this case, he can stay for as long as he wants and there is no real party or any powerful group/entity to challenge him. Eveeything else will be according to his whim. For example if Xi wants to remain in power for as long as he wants do you see any group or person who will dare go agianst him (and the party for that matter)? Especially in a situation where he has already consolidated his power over the party. Therein lies the issue IMO.

It's like for example if had say just the consevrative party as the only party AND Theresa May had managed to consolidate power to such an extent that there was no real opposition to her rule over the party.. She will be able to stay in power for as long as she wants wifhout any real outside(outside the party) threat. I guess there's a reason the two term limit was introduced in China to prevent such a situation in the first place. Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely(especially the longer you stay and the more power you have) . This applies to all human beings irrespective of race.

Anyway, we will see with time how things play out in future. We(including me) might all be wrong, who knows.

i am worry about future of china.there is so many tragedies in culture revalution in china.we know absolute rights bring absolute corruption.the problem is not one party state.china need some rules or systems to limite the rights of president.

 

[gambit]

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/...al-media-responses-abolish-presidential-terms

Should be expected, no?

 

[rott]

I am not complaining.

i am worry about future of china.there is so many tragedies in culture revalution in china.we know absolute rights bring absolute corruption.the problem is not one party state.china need some rules or systems to limite the rights of president.

Worry about what? The present? You don't need to worry about the past. We've learned our mistakes. Look for the future by learning from the past.

 

[Mista]

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/...al-media-responses-abolish-presidential-terms

Should be expected, no?

Well, according to their state media most people support the amendment.

The party's official People's Daily reprinted a long article by Xinhua news agency saying most people supported the constitutional amendments, quoting a variety of people proffering support.

"The broad part of officials and the masses say that they hoped this constitutional reform is passed," it wrote.

The WeChat account of the People's Daily, after initially posting a flurry of positive comments under its article, then disabled the comments section completely late on Sunday. It was back again by Monday, complete with remarks lauding the party.

According to the Global Times, any criticism is a plot against the party. These are 'misinformation and external forces' influencing Chinese public opinion.

"Every time China deliberates on reforms and key decisions, effect on public opinion is worth pondering," the Global Times wrote. "Misinformation and external forces' meddling will affect public opinion in China."

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1GA040

 

[Beast]

Wow, one more CNese here dare to tell the truth. Yes. CN always have some good guys dare to tell the truth abt Cnese like Lu Xun who wrote " story of Ah Q".
__________________________

The story traces the "adventures" of Ah Q, a man from the rural peasant class with little education and no definite occupation. Ah Q is famous for "spiritual victories", Lu Xun's euphemism for self-talk and self-deception even when faced with extreme defeat or humiliation. Ah Q is a bully to the less fortunate but fearful of those who are above him in rank, strength, or power. He persuades himself mentally that he is spiritually "superior" to his oppressors even as he succumbs to their tyranny and suppression. Lu Xun exposes Ah Q's extreme faults as symptomatic of the Chinese national character of his time. The ending of the piece – when Ah Q is carted off to execution for a minor crime – is equally poignant and satirical.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Story_of_Ah_Q

Story of ah Q is long over in China. Deng Xiaoping changes that. Ah Q can describe anybody with such delusion mentality. This is best describe for Indians currently.

 

[ddlee96969]

I am not complaining.


Worry about what? The present? You don't need to worry about the past. We've learned our mistakes. Look for the future by learning from the past.

you believe we have learned our mistakes. i am not sure. mankind all over the world always make the same mistakes again and again. you should konw 萧规曹随. xi distroyed the political heritage of deng xiao ping. will xi be better than deng xiao ping?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Story of ah Q is long over in China. Deng Xiaoping changes that. Ah Q can describe anybody with such delusion mentality. This is best describe for Indians currently.

Still dont want to admit that Deng is just another Ah Q who begged for help from JP-US in 1978 ??? Deng just turned CN from country of 500 million hungry peasants to a country of 1,3 billion trouble makers.

Instead of keep fighting against JP-US to liberate TW with support from communists bloc, Deng turn into US's dog in 1978 and accept US's chain locking around your neck (US use TW-JP to contain CN ).

Well fed house dogs always look good, healthy compared to the hungry wolf but when the Boss abandon dogs, then they will die when wolf still survive.

Why we predicted correctly few years ago that CN will has big chaos in 2023 ?? Not just bcs many Cnese disagree when Xi wanna stay for more terms but also Bcs daddy US-JP hate CN now. TPP leading by JP is for destroying CN. Trump's protectionism raising tariff is destroying CN economy,too.