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A counter-battery radar detects artillery projectiles fired by one or more guns, howitzers, mortars and rocket launchers and from their trajectories locates the position on the ground of the weapon that fired it. Alternatively, or in addition, it may determine where the projectile will land. The normal purpose of a counter-battery radar is to locate hostile batteries up to about 50 km away depending on the radar's capabilities.

I was looking for some information about Pakistan's counter-battery radar but I did not find any. I think Pakistan's neighbor (at least India) has/have some and in its/their presence how effective Pakistani artillery will be? Any information other than wikis is welcome! :)
 
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A counter-battery radar detects artillery projectiles fired by one or more guns, howitzers, mortars and rocket launchers and from their trajectories locates the position on the ground of the weapon that fired it. Alternatively, or in addition, it may determine where the projectile will land. The normal purpose of a counter-battery radar is to locate hostile batteries up to about 50 km away depending on the radar's capabilities.

I was looking for some information about Pakistan's counter-battery radar but I did not find any. I think Pakistan's neighbor (at least India) has/have some and in its/their presence how effective Pakistani artillery will be? Any information other than wikis is welcome! :)


SLC-2 radar used by both Pakistan and Bangladesh, made in China.
here you go :D:tup:
 
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The SLC-2 Radar is a Chinese counter-battery radar designed to locate hostile artillery, rocket and ground-to-ground missile launchers immediately after firing, and to support friendly artillery by guiding counter-battery fire.

SLC-2 radar can also be applied in adjusting firing of friendly weapons or rockets. With slight modification to software parameters the radar can also be used to detect and track low flying targets such as light aircraft, helicopters and RPVs.

SLC-2 systems have sometimes been mounted on a Dongfang EQ2102 3.5 ton truck.

Development

Four AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder radar were sold to China, and these became the foundation of SLC-2 radar development. Aside from political reasons, the US$10 million plus unit price tag of TPQ-37 (including after sale logistic support) was simply too costly for Chinese. The decision was made to develop a domestic equivalent after mastering the technologies of TPQ-37. After the initial test of TPQ-37 in Tangshan (汤山) Range near Nanjing in 1988, and in Xuanhua District in October of the same year, several shortcomings of TPQ-37 were discovered and further intensive tests were conducted and completed in 1994.

The requirement of the Chinese domestic equivalent was subsequently modified to address these issues revealed in trials. Due to the limitation of the Chinese industrial capability at the time, decision was made to develop the Chinese domestic equivalent in several steps. The first step was to develop a smaller one, which would result in the Chinese equivalent of AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder radar, and based on the experience gained from this program, a more capable larger version in the same class of AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder radar would be developed, which eventually resulted in SLC-2 series.
As Chinese capability in microelectronics matured, an updated version of passive phased array Type 373 radar is developed, designated as SLC-2. This is a fully solid-state, highly digitized version that adopts planar active phased array antenna.

One of the shortcomings of TPQ-37 revealed in tests was in its multi-targeting capability. When enemy artillery batteries located more than two hundred meters apart fires simultaneously, TPQ-37 could provide accurate coordinate for distance, but coordinates for positions were less accurate. This would not be a problem for most users because TPQ-37 can be used in pairs in conjunction, provide accurate coordinates for locations. However, these costly radars could not be purchased in large numbers and China thus developed the capability for SLC-2 to provide accurate coordinates for both distance and position.

Specifications

S - band
Detection range: (for 80% detection probability against 81-mm mortar rounds sized target)
For artillery—35 km
For rockets—50 km
Accuracy: 0.35% of range (for range more than 10 km)
35 m (for range less than 10 km)
Peak power: 45 kW
Noise: 3dB
Clutter improvement factor: 55 dB
Other features:
Active phased array antenna with electronic scanning both in azimuth and elevation
Sophisticated computer-controlled digital signal processing
Comprehensive online or offine BITE
Automatic/manual height correction with digital/video map
Various effective ECCM
Tracking while scanning
 
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Bangladesh does have these (SLC 2).

Radar Land
AN/TPQ-36 FireFinder (Artillery, Mortar)
RASIT (Vehicle Artillery)
I have found something about TPQ-36, but what about the other systems?
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The advent of electronic surveillance devices and long range weapon systems in the defence forces have extended the area of operations much beyond the visual range. They have significantly enhanced the combat potential of the armed forces.

Weapon Locating Radars (WLR) are mainly used to detect and locate enemy artillery units by tracking the trajectory of incoming rounds. They can track mortar shells and unguided rockets.

The WLR uses a series of radar techniques, computer controlled signal processing, and automatic height correction to detect, verify and track the projectiles in flight. Then it constructs new data points outside a discrete set of known data points for both the firing position and impact point.

In a WLR system, detection, location and tracking of requisite targets is handled by advanced algorithms and state-of-the-art-hardware. The key feature of the radar is the ability to locate enemy weapon from its first round and transmit the data of the acquired target to the counter fire elements for retaliatory strike before the target is redeployed.

WLR can also provide fire correction of friendly artillery units. In this role, projectiles are tracked and the impact point is determined. The adjustment data and weapon locating modes generally operates simultaneously.
 
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Armored reconnaissance radar Rasit
Panzeraufkl�rungsradar Rasit

Engine performance: 235 KW (320 HP)
Weight: approx. 16.7 t
Maximum speed: approx. 90 km/h
Operating range: approx. 800 km
Erfassungsbereich radar coverage: to 20,000 m
Crew: 4
Armament
1 Fla MG 7.62 m
 
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A counter-battery radar detects artillery projectiles fired by one or more guns, howitzers, mortars and rocket launchers and from their trajectories locates the position on the ground of the weapon that fired it. Alternatively, or in addition, it may determine where the projectile will land. The normal purpose of a counter-battery radar is to locate hostile batteries up to about 50 km away depending on the radar's capabilities.

I was looking for some information about Pakistan's counter-battery radar but I did not find any. I think Pakistan's neighbor (at least India) has/have some and in its/their presence how effective Pakistani artillery will be? Any information other than wikis is welcome! :)


No dear, we have been operating the counter-artillery or artillery locator radars since 80's. These were delivered fro US in form of AN/TPQ-36 Fire finder radar that are still operational and serving well. The range is said to be in region of 20km for artillery shells and 25-30 Km for Rockets.

Moreover a recent induction have been of Chinese SLC-2 artillery locating radar system. This was a major improvement on the previous US system with detection range for artillery to be in range of 35 Km and for Rockets in range of 45 to 50 Km. The SLC-2 radars were procudered together with the SH-1 155mm self-propelled howitzer. A complete SH-1 Regiment comprises 24 SH-1s, four Battery Command Post vehicles, one Battalion Command Post vehicle, one road-mobile CETC-built JY-30 C-band meteorological radar, four 6 x 6 wheeled reconnaissance vehicles, and an S-band CETC-built SLC-2 artillery locating and fire correction radar.

Also we have ARTHUR from Sweden and that too is a artillery/weapon locating radar system.

Moreover there have been working going on on indigenous Radars systems. Not exactly sure if this also includes an WLR but you can study here:
[url]http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-defence-industry/245992-radar-related-developments-pakistan.html
 
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As far as i know arthur isn't in service with PA?
As for IA 12 units of AN/TPQ-37 with 50km range and 28 BEL WLR with 30-40km range.
 
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About the role of Counter-battery radar in Kargil conflict, I found the following information in Wikipedia (*which is an Indian dominated site) This is about the need of Indian BEL Weapons Locating Radar:
"Efforts to acquire such a system intensified after the Kargil War, where the Indian Army was severely disadvantaged by its lack of fire finding radars. While the Pakistani forces were equipped with American AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder radars, India only had British Cymbeline mortar detecting radars, which were not suitable.[8] Almost 80% of Indian casualties during the war resulted from enemy artillery fire, making such a radar critical.[5][7]"
It means Pakistani Artillery did well in Kargil! right? :coffee:
 
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BEL WLR India
Performance
Range:
>81 mm Mortars: 2–20 km
>105 mm Guns: 2–30 km
Unguided Rockets: 4–40 km
Elevation Coverage: -5 to 75°
Azimuth Coverage: +/- 45° mean settable bearing
Slewability: +/- 135° within 30 seconds.
Targets Tracking: 7 simultaneously (maximum)
Firing angles: Both High & Low
Aspect Angles: 0-180°

Technical Specifications
Instrumented Range: 50 km
Frequency Band: C band
Probability of:
Detection: 0.9
False Alarm: 10−6
Weapon Locations: 99 stored (maximum)
Digital Map Storage: 100 x 100 km

Environmental Specifications
Operating temperature: -20 to +55°C
Storage Temperature: -40 to +70°C
Damp Heat: 95% RH at 40°C
Operational Altitude: Up to 16,000 feet (4,900 m)

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I suspect that this Indian WLR is a development from TPQ-37 like Chinese SLC 2. it will be interesting to know if Chinese copy is more successful than Indian or not.
 
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Listening about the Arthur Mod C Radars since 2006, developed by SAAB Electronic Defense Systems, offered to us as a side order with SAAB Erieye AEW equipped Saab 2000 aircraft from Sweden ... however one example came in Pakistan in 2007...... don't know is it in or not ..... similarly, VERA passive radars by Czech republic also went under trails in Pakistan for a very long time, again not known fate. i hope if any one knows about it.
Yes one more thing we were also looking in YKLC-20 radasr of china..... what happened? is it THE one reason for not going for VERA's? ... any one??
 
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