Could India block Pakistani ports in case of a war?

[saiyan0321]

I am out of the house. Back after 5.

I am looking forward to your analysis. I am of @That Guy opinion however I am no expert in this topic and nor do I pretend to be.

However I do know this. Wars are the most unpredictable phenomenon known to man giants have fallen to ants many times yet as many times they have been crushed by the giants as well.

I agree that Pakistan navy is its weakest branch and our defence is not adequate but I also don't believe that we are toothless. If India places all hopes and efforts towards blocking only Karachi ( let's be realistic India doesn't have nor will have in the foreseeable future a navy to block a 1046 km coast nor multiple blockades of jiwani, Karachi, gawadar) then no doubt it can but not without costs which may outweigh the objective results and maintaining a blockade and simply achieving a blockade are two very different things and they are linked with the ground results and aerial results and length of time of war especially considering the fact that the world won't sit idle when two nuclear powers clash like this.

Pakistan is nothing like 1971 ( where the navy barely existed) but its also true India has a navy far stronger as well.


I look forward to your analysis. Would tag @Oscar as well as he provides fantastic insights on such issues.

But I would end my post and start my wait on a note that wars are unpredictable and considering the blunders of both pakistan and Indian army in our warring history I would say the results become even more so.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The answer is yes and no ..
Yes they can but at a very heavy cost and it won't be for long because Pakistan will throw everything at Indian navy to break through and that means babur ,ck400 and c-602 anti ship missiles .. Pakistan navy is building ships which are small and fast azmat and recently bought opvs from Holland and USA . they can shoot and scoot harass Indian navy . and than there are naval coastal batteries that will keep Indian ships at a quite distance ..

If Pakistan navy get a formidable AAW warships from China and ada from turkey than it will add quite a punch for Pakistan navy .

I will add few more points later

 

[Basel]

We don't underestimate the enemy. Do you think India spends more on its Navy than the total defense budget of Pakistan just for fun? Do you think India spends building ACs, hundreds of Destroyers, frigates and corvettes, submarines (both nuclear and conventional), missiles and 100's of fighter planes just for keeping them in museum, and maintain one of the largest navies in the world for fun? Obviously, they are for the enemies.

Your coastline is huge compared to Pakistan coastline and in war IN can't deploy all of it's assets against Pakistan and in future (for the first time) PN will be a threat to all Indian ports and near shore important installations which will put pressure on IN to deploy assets to protect all coastline so it's not as easy as many think to put a blockade of Pakistan coastline.

 

[ito]

The answer is yes and no ..
Yes they can but at a very heavy cost and it won't be for long because Pakistan will throw everything at Indian navy to break through and that means babur ,ck400 and c-602 anti ship missiles .. Pakistan navy is building ships which are small and fast azmat and recently bought opvs from Holland and USA . they can shoot and scoot harass Indian navy . and than there are naval coastal batteries that will keep Indian ships at a quite distance ..

If Pakistan navy get a formidable AAW warships from China and ada from turkey than it will add quite a punch for Pakistan navy .

I will add few more points later

You will not only fight Indian Navy, you also have to deal with Indian Air force and Indian Army that would be looking at entering into Pakistani territory. So you have to be prudent on how to distribute resources both on sea front and land front.

 

[ziaulislam]

pakistan can target any one of indain ports with its array of subs, infact it doesnt even need to target Indian ports it can simply block indin oil imports through indian oceans the same cnanot be easily said about india given close proximity of gawadar

 

[ito]

Your coastline is huge compared to Pakistan coastline and in war IN can't deploy all of it's assets against Pakistan and in future (for the first time) PN will be a threat to all Indian ports and near shore important installations which will put pressure on IN to deploy assets to protect all coastline so it's not as easy as many think to put a blockade of Pakistan coastline.

Your Navy is weak. You don't have the projection capabilities beyond your coastline. You will be tied defending your coastline than attacking Indian ports. Yes, you have submarines that can damage Indian ports, but they are limited, and India has better submarine capabilities and underwater capabilities.

 

[Samlee]

If successful, this would starve us of our fuel reserves and be devastating for a long war. How could Pakistan prevent this taking in to account their navy is objectively stronger?

All We Have To Do Is Block The Oil Supply of India The Tankers Coming From Hormuz Can Blocked By Our Naval Base At Ormara

 

[Basel]

Your Navy is weak. You don't have the projection capabilities beyond your coastline. You will be tied defending your coastline than attacking Indian ports. Yes, you have submarines that can damage Indian ports, but they are limited, and India has better submarine capabilities and underwater capabilities.

PN can launch attack on any port of India now and with 8 subs (not including ships) coming from China this capability will go to next level, it's good you think of PN as weak.

All current subs are going under upgrade so we are not way behind in tech and PN can now give IN run for their money.

 

[Samlee]

Your Navy is weak. You don't have the projection capabilities beyond your coastline. You will be tied defending your coastline than attacking Indian ports. Yes, you have submarines that can damage Indian ports, but they are limited, and India has better submarine capabilities and underwater capabilities.

Oh Really

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...eling-over-indian-navy-20143665414242983.html

 

[notorious_eagle]

In EEZ IN will suffer loses if try to put a blockade of Pakistani ports so possibly they will do it near Yemen, in Indian Ocean and possibly strait of Hormaz try to stop ships bound for Pakistan, but PN can deploy Subs supported by other assets to create problems for IN, so full blockade is not possible as TNWs are also meant to avoid one if things go that bad for PN.

So the Indian Navy will board American, European, Chinese, Russian, Saudi, Emirati etc flagged vessels out in the open sea because they are heading to port in Pakistan. This is wet fantasy at best.

It has been a pivotal American policy to respect "Freedom of Navigation". Any attempts to block this will draw the ire of the USN, which is the top dog. If IN engages and boards internationally flagged vessels in the open sea, PN would be within its rights to set mines on that path than.

2002 and 2008 are not wars, so where is the question of blockade? I was saying in case of a war. If Pakistanis think that India will not block your trade lane in an event of war. Then I can only say you are living in a fools world. You army is strong, your air force is average, and you navy is the weakest link. If you want to win a war, you have to hit at the enemies weakest link.

For that, you have to stop and board American or Chinese flagged vessels porting at Pakistan? You sure you willing to do that.

 

[Basel]

So the Indian Navy will board American, European, Chinese, Russian, Saudi, Emirati etc flagged vessels out in the open sea because they are heading to port in Pakistan. This is wet fantasy at best.

It has been a pivotal American policy to respect "Freedom of Navigation". Any attempts to block this will draw the ire of the USN, which is the top dog. If IN engages and boards internationally flagged vessels in the open sea, PN would be within its rights to set mines on that path than.



For that, you have to stop and board American or Chinese flagged vessels porting at Pakistan? You sure you willing to do that.

This kind of things have happened in past in world and we should be prepared for anything.

 

[Shockwave]

So? your point? looks like you are an idiot in this knowledge at least. A plus here and a minus there both class give a similar punch.one has french MESMA based AIP the other has a german fuel cell AIP. More than that the CO/XO matter most.Remember your fat submarine we detected earlier this year? i wonder where its cap is flipping burgers these days.

My point is that we have scorpenes, boomers and flat tops and stealth frigates, a force that pakistan cannot afford. Our navy surpasses that of pakistan both in terms of quality and quantity.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Karachi port handles 60% of Pakistan's cargo traffic.

Even during sea blockade India can not stop a foreign flag vessel to not enter Karachi port.
Pakistan does not have many cargo ships and oil tankers of its own. Most of its cargo is handled by foreign flag registered merchant marine ships.

And India cant do anything that way, to stop foreign flag vessels, because that would attract a quick UNO resolution spearheaded by China.

It would be a interesting scenario for me to read/hear that India stopped a Chinese vessel. That would be a marine standoff.

Bring it on India!
Let the rubber meet the road.
I want to really see if Modi has balls to do that.

I am not going to believe this Feku/Hawabaaz PM of India.
Despite the so called surgical strike, India has so far lost 45 army jawans/soldiers.
What is Modi's response on this?

Don't be stupid, Benny.

Read up the rules of war and blockade of enemy ports.

And we are not discussing Modi; we are discussing the possibility/probability of a blockade and its impact, and the defences that Pakistan might have.

 

[Basel]

My point is that we have scorpenes, boomers and flat tops and stealth frigates, a force that pakistan cannot afford. Our navy surpasses that of pakistan both in terms of quality and quantity.

You also have huge coastline to protect so you can not deploy all assets against Pakistan, now add SLCM capability of PN to the situation which will put pressure on IN to keep assets to ports and coastline safe which will be beneficial for PN, also against IN subs PN have good sub hunting capability and IN will have to cover much larger area to hunt PN subs then PN to hunt IN subs to keep ports safe.

 

[Shockwave]

You also have huge coastline to protect so you can not deploy all assets against Pakistan, now add SLCM capability of PN to the situation which will put pressure on IN to keep assets to ports and coastline safe which will be beneficial for PN, also against IN subs PN have good sub hunting capability and IN will have to cover much larger area to hunt PN subs then PN to hunt IN subs to keep ports safe.

Of course we have a large coastline but we have a big navy too which is getting bigger and bigger we can both attack the enemy and defend our coasts at the same time but pakistani navy can only fight a defensive war for its assest and resources will be streched thin if it fights an offensive war.

Secondly we too have SLCMs but what you dont have is SLBMs. Our subs can hit pakistan with nuclear missiles from as far as east africa coast.