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Costs More Than a Su-57? India’s Tejas Fighter Turns Out to be Very Expensive

The Indian Air Force is set to finalise a deal to purchase 83 Tejas Mk1A lightweight single engine fighters, which will mark the second major order for the aircraft following a prior order for 40 jets. The Tejas began development in the early 1980s, and following massive delays and almost 40 years of work the aircraft was accorded final operational clearance (FOC) by India’s aviation certifying authority in February 2019. The fighter is from a comparable weight range to the Swedish Gripen and Pakistani JF-17 fighter, and is considerably lighter than higher end single engine designs such as the American F-16 Fighting Falcon and Chinese J-10 Firebird. While touted as an indigenous program, many of the Tejas’ core systems are purchased off the shelf from foreign suppliers including an American F404 engine - the same as that designed to power the F-20 Tigershark light fighter in the 1970s, an Israeli sensor suite and electronics, and Russian air to air missiles.

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Su-30MKI Heavyweight Fighter and Tejas Light Fighter

Development of a lightweight and low cost indigenous fighter has been pursued by a range of countries from Sweden to Taiwan from a number of reasons - allowing them not only to tailor the jet to the needs of their armed forces, develop high end technologies domestically and pursues their own design philosophies, but also because manufacturing jets domestically is usually a great deal cheaper than importing them at market prices. Considering the highly ambitious plans India has to expand its fighter fleet, which will require the induction of over a dozen new squadrons in the near future, a low cost lightweight indigenous jet would provide an effective means of doing so while remaining within the limits of the country’s defence budget. The only issue with this is that India’s Tejas, largely due to its reliance on very costly foreign technologies, is very far from a low cost fighter - with the recent order costing the Defence Ministry $62.7 million per airframe.


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Tejas Single Engine Light Fighter


Purchasing the F404 and Israeli sensors and electronics at export prices, which are the most costly parts of the jet, the Tejas cannot be manufactured as a cheap indigenous platform as Pakistan’s JF-17, Taiwan's Ching Kuo and Brave Eagle, China’s J-10 and JL-15 or America’s F-16 are. Using the American F-35A as an example of the discrepancy in the prices of domestically produced and exported fighters, the jet is being purchased by the Air Force for around $80 million each but is being marketed for export for around $200 million each. Similarly, while Russia’s Su-57 is currently the most costly non-Western fighter being marketed for export, with an estimated export price of around $110 million, it is being purchased by the Russian Air Force for just $35 million each. Compared to the prices Russia and the U.S. respectively are purchasing the Su-57 and F-35A, both state of the art fifth generation designs which are considerably heavier and more sophisticated than the Tejas, the Indian fighter appears to present the country with much less value for money than previously thought.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...-tejas-fighter-turns-out-to-be-very-expensive

Title of the article exposes the knowledge of writer.
 
Except for paid articles by LM popping up every now and then, none from IAF ever expressed interest in F-21. On that note, SAAB pumped in more articles that IAF was favoring the Gripen until LM stepped up it's game and most recently Boeing for F-18. Also, IAF is well aware of the consequences if India ever acts against US interests or isn't in line with their narrative. We've seen how PAF was denied additional choppers/ aircrafts and most recently Turkey with the F-35/S400 debacle

Procuring any major weapons system of American make in significant numbers would jeopardize our Russian procurements

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...r-f-16-wont-be-joining-indias-air-force-55362

Except that IAF was actually interested in the F-21
I never said the cost went down solely because of the indigenous content but that is one of the contributing factor along with an established supply chain with local companies, volume production reduces the per piece cost of components, HAL agreeing to cut down it's profit share by over 50% etc.

It's totally upto you if you wanna stick to some unknown writers article about the price if that's what helps you feel good and sleep at night but MoD/CAG have revealed the exact price IAF will be paying which is what I'd rely on

Just because there is so much "indigenous" development doesn't mean the cost can't, at all, be at that.
 
Is that an alternative fact. Can you show some link where IAF has shown interest in the F-21.

Remember when IAF had revealed that they were looking for 110+ fighter jet tender. F-21 was probably the lead in that. There are many articles which show IAF's most interest was in F-21.

Except for paid articles by LM popping up every now and then, none from IAF ever expressed interest in F-21. On that note, SAAB pumped in more articles that IAF was favoring the Gripen until LM stepped up it's game and most recently Boeing for F-18. Also, IAF is well aware of the consequences if India ever acts against US interests or isn't in line with their narrative. We've seen how PAF was denied additional choppers/ aircrafts and most recently Turkey with the F-35/S400 debacle

Procuring any major weapons system of American make in significant numbers would jeopardize our Russian procurements

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...r-f-16-wont-be-joining-indias-air-force-55362


I never said the cost went down solely because of the indigenous content but that is one of the contributing factor along with an established supply chain with local companies, volume production reduces the per piece cost of components, HAL agreeing to cut down it's profit share by over 50% etc.

It's totally upto you if you wanna stick to some unknown writers article about the price if that's what helps you feel good and sleep at night but MoD/CAG have revealed the exact price IAF will be paying which is what I'd rely on

Lockheed Martin with TATA ran a pretty hard campaign for the fighter jet as well. We saw IAF even having simulators installed in India to further gauge it.
 
Links please that state that IAF was most interested in F-21.

No article directly states that. It is my inference based on the following.

- an unprecedented coverage to Lockheed Martin, and F-21 fighter jet by Indian Media. Interviews, analysis, its competition; the F-21 was the talk of the media.
- contracts with two big companies by Lockheed Martin on the subject of F-21, that is with Bharat Electronics Ltd. and TATA.
- Installation of full F-21 simulation machines for IAF to further gauge the jet.
- Lockheed Martin did a lot of campaigning via media too.
 
Lockheed Martin with TATA ran a pretty hard campaign for the fighter jet as well. We saw IAF even having simulators installed in India to further gauge it.
Both Gripen and F-21's campaigns were pretty hard with folks on defence forums discussing endlessly on what firepower would be added and how it could be countered. If you see any of these articles, they quote anonymous or unknown sources and anyone with a blog or website could churn out such articles. I recently read some reporter put out a fake article for $150 from WSJ

Tata partners with both Boeing and LM while SAAB partners with Adani, all being credible players in the industry but unless an official statement comes out from IAF...nothing is concrete

Also, IAF is leaning towards additional Rafales...definitely not 200 per MMRCA 2.0 but more like 2 more squadrons atleast as a quick stopgap for the dwindling numbers
 
Our money, our fighters.

We will buy them for a billion dollars each...


good..

all the money to Tejas...

Tejas Mk-1A costs $42mn a pop. Except for the engine, all major sub-systems like radar, avionics, AA missiles are being replaced by indigenous ones proving a major chunk of that cost stays within the country



excellent!!

all critical components to be used in battle.. have "made by indians" on it.

PAF feels so much better.

It's for Pakistan and China


u think that is enough... ?..

after all Modi promised to teach Pakistan a lesson.

We are still waiting for it.
 
yes good price....

now IAF will smash PAF.

But overall, HAL is an Govt organization...So whatever you pay for this project, it will be like paying in one hand and collecting the money with other hand by the same person...
 
Tejas Mk-1A costs $42mn a pop. Except for the engine, all major sub-systems like radar, avionics, AA missiles are being replaced by indigenous ones proving a major chunk of that cost stays within the country
But the question is how will it fight PAF?

But overall, HAL is an Govt organization...So whatever you pay for this project, it will be like paying in one hand and collecting the money with other hand by the same person...
So you dont plan to make payments to Americans and Israelis for engines and avionics?

good..

all the money to Tejas...





excellent!!

all critical components to be used in battle.. have "made by indians" on it.

PAF feels so much better.




u think that is enough... ?..

after all Modi promised to teach Pakistan a lesson.

We are still waiting for it.
lol, Modi is also waiting for it
 
No article directly states that. It is my inference based on the following.

- an unprecedented coverage to Lockheed Martin, and F-21 fighter jet by Indian Media. Interviews, analysis, its competition; the F-21 was the talk of the media.
- contracts with two big companies by Lockheed Martin on the subject of F-21, that is with Bharat Electronics Ltd. and TATA.
- Installation of full F-21 simulation machines for IAF to further gauge the jet.
- Lockheed Martin did a lot of campaigning via media too.

The unprecedented coverage by the indian media for F-21 was because of Lockheed Martin doing a lot of campaigning via media. Actually it is not unprecedented. For every F-12 media article you will most probably find 2 Gripen articles.

Every interested player has to identify an Indian partner. Which is why there is partnership with BHEL and TATA.
 
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