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Congradulation on breaking of Qouta System in Sindh

We should stop squabbling like children for extra rights and work for the betterment of the country. This serves no one. Muhajirs already have their language urdu as national language and extra rights as a community in Karachi. Why we constantly ask for more is beyond me. Sindhis in interior are much poorer than us city dwelling people. We have to abandon support for MQM, especially now since its violent terror and evil is becoming clearer.
 
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We should stop squabbling like children for extra rights and work for the betterment of the country. This serves no one. Muhajirs already have their language urdu as national language and extra rights as a community in Karachi. Why we constantly ask for more is beyond me. Sindhis in interior are much poorer than us city dwelling people. We have to abandon support for MQM, especially now since its violent terror and evil is becoming clearer.

It is not about MQM. It is about this cr@p quota system. It should go.

At least give logic why quota should stay or else you can go whine about Lucknow with Indians.
 
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Lol @MastanKhan lives in USA which is also called land of opportunities because it provides opportunity to everyone who has merit and talent.

But wants quote system based on ethnicity in Sindh.

If there would have been quote system in USA then Mastan Khan would have no option but driving taxi in New York. Talk about irony. :lol:

Hi,

Taxi driving is very hard work---there is no shame in driving a taxi---.
 
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Glad to see so many people speaking against this evil. Its not about the system only, its also about its exploitation. Seen many cases in which a person spends his whole life in urban area, utilising the same educational facilities and then getting special preference for job/education just because their forefathers owned a rural piece of land. Shambolic state of affairs.
 
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I am not really up to date with the ongoings of the country lately, but why exactly is DG rangers making statements regarding quota system?
 
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It is not about MQM. It is about this cr@p quota system. It should go.

At least give logic why quota should stay or else you can go whine about Lucknow with Indians.
So now I know the reason of your constant belligerence. You are a typical mqm supporter who can't understand our job should have been to strengthen Pakistan, not fight for limited resources.

Freeing our parts from Indian control is in my eyes much better than squabbling with other ethnic groups locally for power. You are ignorant of the grand scheme of things and arrogant people like you are the reason muhajirs are seen so negatively. We have to start recognizing monumental facts rather than be locked in ethnic hatred and one of the basis of hatred is deletion of the qouta system. A little bit of background is necessary here. Sindhis and Gujaratis made 60%+ of the population of Karachi before 47. Now Muhajirs make 40% and Sindhis 8%. Sindhis cleared the provincial capital for us, gave their houses so muhajirs could stay in them.

Now despite this 60%+ of Sindhs population is Sindhi. And rural poverty in Sindh is at more than 30%, possibly more than 40%. Similarly education is poor in rural sindh with few opportunities. There are 8000 ghost schools in Sindh alone. These problems can only be solved by giving people of Sindh a qouta for jobs and education. Muhajirs are better educated, better equipped in every way. We have complete control of the nation with urdu the national language. Similarly we have an organization like MQM which is famous for butchering innocent people. No one in the world will and can tolerate people forming a militant organization in the heart of the provincial capital. It has been tolerated for muhajirs.

You deride me for being loyal to Lucknow. I am loyal to Lucknow. Its better than burning ARY media offices and calling for Pathans to quit Karachi. I want to live in unison with other ethnic groups. Karachi is as much home to us as it is to everyone else. This squabbling is causing us to weaken ourselves. If we focused all this attention on beating India half the problem with disappear. Instead our elders objective instead of defending Pakistan against India has become our own position and power. The qouta system is made to make the weak strong. Sindhis are far more poverty stricken than muhajirs. We should acknowledge this. Muhajirs are the richest ethnic group in Pakistan, further even than the punjabis. Yet our Punjabi brothers have to take blame for running the nation. Was it not urdu speaker tabloids and journals that raised such a ruckus when Bengal demanded its own language? We broke Pakistan once and are now asking for extra rights. Shameful to say the least.

Hi,

Taxi driving is very hard work---there is no shame in driving a taxi---.
The said member contributes nothing to the forum and is by nature abusive and belligerent. I sometimes wonder if he is even capable of debate-without deriding the other poster of course.
 
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So now I know the reason of your constant belligerence. You are a typical mqm supporter who can't understand our job should have been to strengthen Pakistan, not fight for limited resources.

Freeing our parts from Indian control is in my eyes much better than squabbling with other ethnic groups locally for power. You are ignorant of the grand scheme of things and arrogant people like you are the reason muhajirs are seen so negatively. We have to start recognizing monumental facts rather than be locked in ethnic hatred and one of the basis of hatred is deletion of the qouta system. A little bit of background is necessary here. Sindhis and Gujaratis made 60%+ of the population of Karachi before 47. Now Muhajirs make 40% and Sindhis 8%. Sindhis cleared the provincial capital for us, gave their houses so muhajirs could stay in them.

Now despite this 60%+ of Sindhs population is Sindhi. And rural poverty in Sindh is at more than 30%, possibly more than 40%. Similarly education is poor in rural sindh with few opportunities. There are 8000 ghost schools in Sindh alone. These problems can only be solved by giving people of Sindh a qouta for jobs and education. Muhajirs are better educated, better equipped in every way. We have complete control of the nation with urdu the national language. Similarly we have an organization like MQM which is famous for butchering innocent people. No one in the world will and can tolerate people forming a militant organization in the heart of the provincial capital. It has been tolerated for muhajirs.

You deride me for being loyal to Lucknow. I am loyal to Lucknow. Its better than burning ARY media offices and calling for Pathans to quit Karachi. I want to live in unison with other ethnic groups. Karachi is as much home to us as it is to everyone else. This squabbling is causing us to weaken ourselves. If we focused all this attention on beating India half the problem with disappear. Instead our elders objective instead of defending Pakistan against India has become our own position and power. The qouta system is made to make the weak strong. Sindhis are far more poverty stricken than muhajirs. We should acknowledge this. Muhajirs are the richest ethnic group in Pakistan, further even than the punjabis. Yet our Punjabi brothers have to take blame for running the nation. Was it not urdu speaker tabloids and journals that raised such a ruckus when Bengal demanded its own language? We broke Pakistan once and are now asking for extra rights. Shameful to say the least.

First of all I am not a MQM supporter. You got it wrong just form the start.

Now coming back to your shameless defense of quota system.

Karachi was a majority hindu before 1947. So why don't bring all Hindus back from India and have a quota for them too.

It is fault of sindhis that they are poor in education. They should try to improve their standards instead of getting an unfair quota for themselves. if someone is "had haram" then you work to end his had harami instead of giving him free food.

This quota system has destroyed the government institutions of Pakistan. PPP fills all its sympathizers and supporters in government departments and thus adds to a never ending cycle of corruption. Sindhis can be even more poor than Africa. That doesn't make them worthy for a quota. They had 3 PM from Sindh and several presidents too. They should have used that power to improve their education and living standards.

By giving quota you want to ensure that Sindhis remain uneducated and don't strive to prosper. You are the biggest enemy of Sindhis. Shame on you. They gave you land to settle here and you want Sindhis to remain uneducated and poor by giving them a useless quota. How filthy of you???

We are not asking for extra rights. Ending quota is nothing extra. And we didn't broke Pakistan. It was a Sindhi PM who was in power when that debacle happened. Yahya Khan was no Muhajir either.

The said member contributes nothing to the forum and is by nature abusive and belligerent. I sometimes wonder if he is even capable of debate-without deriding the other poster of course.

You are a fool. You are a disgrace to all us Pakistanis on this forum. Lucknow is legal part of India just like Karachi, Quetta and Lahore are for Pakistan. Your moronic obsession with this stupid city has made us all feel disgraced.

You keep getting embarrassed and ridiculed by Bharati members for your illogical claims about Lucknow and here we Pakistanis feel embarrassed that we have this "Think Tank" who keeps on talking about lucknow even though not even stray dogs of lucknow care about your BS.

That's what you are. A disgrace to us all. A shame to be called a Think Tank.

Hi,

Taxi driving is very hard work---there is no shame in driving a taxi---.

Agreed.

But there is everything shameful in your defense of quota system and your bigotry towards other Pakistanis who live in Karachi.
 
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First of all I am not a MQM supporter. You got it wrong just form the start.

I have witnessed this among all mqm supporters. The moment one of their own community members criticizes them, their God, Altaf and their militant organization they instantly claim not to be supporters of MQM. I saw this in some other members and now the same thing in you. You defend the MQM thugs with the same intensity. You should be awarded Bharat Varsh for it as you are the successor of Altaf.

Now coming back to your shameless defense of quota system.

We don't have to agree. But what is shameless is your name calling and abuse. You can't engage in debate for a second without abusing your powers as elite member and questioning the ability of other posters.
Karachi was a majority hindu before 1947. So why don't bring all Hindus back from India and have a quota for them too.

Its not about bringing hindus back. Its about calling a spade a spade. There is much more to the qouta than just the demands of MQM and PPPP. Both are flawed political parties responsible for keeping Karachi backwards.

And all ethnicities played a part in 71. I was just claiming it wasn't just them but urdu speakers too. Something none of us will ever admit.

It is fault of sindhis that they are poor in education.

This is a canard. Your post stinks of your negative view of Sindhis and has a complete lack of understanding about their needs.

Interior sindh has such severe lack of resources that you cannot imagine for yourself. Of course giving a computer to a fool will not turn him into a wise man as is evidenced by your posts but there should be an opportunity for him to improve himself. There are no jobs, no education in Sindh. In this way the qouta system attempts to even the field. I cannot fully argue for it because there are advantages of promoting merit too rather than just equal play but I can see clearly that the Sindhis are being pushed into a corner, rather than what altaf hussain claims.

They should try to improve their standards instead of getting an unfair quota for themselves. if someone is "had haram" then you work to end his had harami instead of giving him free food.

Its not free food. Sindh has much talent but interior sindh has few resources. The cities are areas of development and both Hyderabad and Karachi have large populations of muhajirs ruling them. Our refusal to even recognize this as a fact is the source of much tension over resources in Sindh. We control the cities and with it the power and then abuse the Sindhis for being backwards. We could very much be in their situation.

This quota system has destroyed the government institutions of Pakistan. PPP fills all its sympathizers and supporters in government departments and thus adds to a never ending cycle of corruption.

While I agree about your stance about the PPP and its support we are not bereft of such a dogmatic stance with our support to MQM. What has MQM given muhajirs? Look within first, then abuse the Sindhis. When you vote blindly like them for a haati sitting in London who betrays his country, not only his ethnicity like the PPP by refusing to build sindh then who are you to complain? We have been voting not only a corrupt party like the Sindhis but also a militant one.

Sindhis can be even more poor than Africa. That doesn't make them worthy for a quota. They had 3 PM from Sindh and several presidents too. They should have used that power to improve their education and living standards.

This is mavericks old stand which has been debunked multiple times. All MQM supporters give the same arguments that are filled with a feeling of bias against other ethnicities. This is why I think it is far better fr me to support the independence of Lucknow as at least I am not with my own hands breaking Pakistan. We could very much be like them had things not turned out differently.

By giving quota you want to ensure that Sindhis remain uneducated and don't strive to prosper. You are the biggest enemy of Sindhis. Shame on you. They gave you land to settle here and you want Sindhis to remain uneducated and poor by giving them a useless quota. How filthy of you???

Now you are turning this on me. Sweet. But nothing can be done for you. Karachi has a literacy rate far higher than other regions. Lets recognize that as we are more powerful we should help the weaker ethnic groups. This stance is the cause of Balochs and Pashtuns not integrating.

We are not asking for extra rights. Ending quota is nothing extra. And we didn't broke Pakistan. It was a Sindhi PM who was in power when that debacle happened. Yahya Khan was no Muhajir either.

Personally I prefer the parties to sit together and comprehensive study be done before making a decision, qouta or no qouta. But I am sympathetic to the reasons Sindhis demand qouta.

You are a fool. You are a disgrace to all us Pakistanis on this forum. Lucknow is legal part of India just like Karachi, Quetta and Lahore are for Pakistan. Your moronic obsession with this stupid city has made us all feel disgraced.

Atleast my family tried to make Pakistan and free all of it-including Lucknow. You and people like you from the beginning wanted to do politics over the dead bodies of our family members who died in Indian massacres. This debate about qouta system is nothing more than a demand for more power of the various ethnic groups. Nothing more, nothing less and it is much politicized. The government currently is against the MQM and are thus raising it. Otherwise it is like an old book in an old library, gathering dust.
You keep getting embarrassed and ridiculed by Bharati members for your illogical claims about Lucknow and here we Pakistanis feel embarrassed that we have this "Think Tank" who keeps on talking about lucknow even though not even stray dogs of lucknow care about your BS.

My family fought the Bhartis for Pakistan. What did your family do other than whine?

That's what you are. A disgrace to us all. A shame to be called a Think Tank.

And you think you can do a better job with your insults and picking fights.
 
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Little correction here, in Sind " security " committee meeting head by PM Sind by Governor Sind, the general in uniform give this political idea in committee as per him quota system somehow related with security weakness in Sind:sar khujaing:


@dexter @HRK @Patriots @Danish saleem @pak-marine and other so called karachiets.

What more do you expect from people who are born in to rich families who's job are lined up at birth? It's the lower middle class folks who have to run around actually looking for work only to see the job taken by a rural PPP/feudal worshipper.
This blatant racism is the reason why MQM exists, and I am afraid it will continue to exist if this mind set persists.

Quota system is an affront to a cultured civilisation and encourages idleness and an entitlement frenzy mindset which we can see well and truly among Pee Pee Pee cadres and the Punjabis who are parachuted in to jobs in security services in Karachi and other urban centres.

Now imagine, if in reply to that post I say, maybe it is the lazy rural "Sindhis" who need to get off their back side and stop doing Puja to their Pirs and get a decent education so they can get jobs on merit. Can you imagine the angry responses I am going to get and accusations of racism?
 
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I have witnessed this among all mqm supporters. The moment one of their own community members criticizes them, their God, Altaf and their militant organization they instantly claim not to be supporters of MQM. I saw this in some other members and now the same thing in you. You defend the MQM thugs with the same intensity. You should be awarded Bharat Varsh for it as you are the successor of Altaf.

I don't need a certificate from you about my love or hate for MQM. I vocally opposed MQM on this forum and a lot of members know that. Anyways. Coming back to your weak points for defense of corruption in Sindh aka quota system.

We don't have to agree. But what is shameless is your name calling and abuse. You can't engage in debate for a second without abusing your powers as elite member and questioning the ability of other posters.

I am going to attack you and abuse you if you support corruption in Pakistan in the form of quota system. I would attack you if you attack my community accusing it of breaking Pakistan.

Its not about bringing hindus back. Its about calling a spade a spade. There is much more to the qouta than just the demands of MQM and PPPP. Both are flawed political parties responsible for keeping Karachi backwards.

I don't care about PPP and MQM. F*ck them both. But this quota system would have to go.

Bohat mazai ho gaye.

And all ethnicities played a part in 71. I was just claiming it wasn't just them but urdu speakers too. Something none of us will ever admit.

Nope. We were/are a minority and didn't play any role in 71.

This is a canard. Your post stinks of your negative view of Sindhis and has a complete lack of understanding about their needs.

I perfectly know sindhis. Call me racist o whatever but it is not me voting PPP into power again and again. It is Sindhis who as per you are so poor that they deserve quota indefinitely till the end of this world.

Interior sindh has such severe lack of resources that you cannot imagine for yourself. Of course giving a computer to a fool will not turn him into a wise man as is evidenced by your posts but there should be an opportunity for him to improve himself. There are no jobs, no education in Sindh. In this way the qouta system attempts to even the field. I cannot fully argue for it because there are advantages of promoting merit too rather than just equal play but I can see clearly that the Sindhis are being pushed into a corner, rather than what altaf hussain claims.

You can call me fool but when I turn back to you, you start whining about being attacked.

Anyways/ This poverty and lack of resources is due to Sindhi's own failure. We aren't supposed to carry burden of other's failures. If sindhis are poor and uneducated despite having several prime minister's and presidents then they don't need quota system. They need to open their eyes and wake up to see where they are standing.

Its not free food. Sindh has much talent but interior sindh has few resources. The cities are areas of development and both Hyderabad and Karachi have large populations of muhajirs ruling them. Our refusal to even recognize this as a fact is the source of much tension over resources in Sindh. We control the cities and with it the power and then abuse the Sindhis for being backwards. We could very much be in their situation.

We "control" Karachi and Hyderababd because we have skills and talent to control them. WE built these cities. WE made Karachi what it is today. All those memons, all those hyderababadis. All those guys from Delhi and UP. It is these guys who made this city what it is today. We earned this with our hard work and education. Instead of getting jealous and trying to survive on a corrupt quota system other ethnic groups need to learn something from us. Take inspiration from us and start working hard to get education and o move forward.

While I agree about your stance about the PPP and its support we are not bereft of such a dogmatic stance with our support to MQM. What has MQM given muhajirs? Look within first, then abuse the Sindhis. When you vote blindly like them for a haati sitting in London who betrays his country, not only his ethnicity like the PPP by refusing to build sindh then who are you to complain? We have been voting not only a corrupt party like the Sindhis but also a militant one.

As said before. F*ck MQM. You can't hide behind your hatred for Muhajir's with bashing MQM.


This is mavericks old stand which has been debunked multiple times. All MQM supporters give the same arguments that are filled with a feeling of bias against other ethnicities. This is why I think it is far better fr me to support the independence of Lucknow as at least I am not with my own hands breaking Pakistan. We could very much be like them had things not turned out differently.

Then go ahead. Debunk it once more. Let's see what you would do.

Now you are turning this on me. Sweet. But nothing can be done for you. Karachi has a literacy rate far higher than other regions. Lets recognize that as we are more powerful we should help the weaker ethnic groups. This stance is the cause of Balochs and Pashtuns not integrating.

We are not powerful. We are still struggling to get rid of corrupt and unjust quota system.

So stop calling us powerful.

Personally I prefer the parties to sit together and comprehensive study be done before making a decision, qouta or no qouta. But I am sympathetic to the reasons Sindhis demand qouta.

You are sympathetic because you hate Urdu speaking people of Karachi. You are a self loathing fool. If you would have been a well wisher of Sindhis you would have asked them to work hard and get jobs on merit.

Atleast my family tried to make Pakistan and free all of it-including Lucknow. You and people like you from the beginning wanted to do politics over the dead bodies of our family members who died in Indian massacres. This debate about qouta system is nothing more than a demand for more power of the various ethnic groups. Nothing more, nothing less and it is much politicized. The government currently is against the MQM and are thus raising it. Otherwise it is like an old book in an old library, gathering dust.

Keep bashing MQM. Quota is unjust and is root cause of racist bigotry in Sindh.

My family fought the Bhartis for Pakistan. What did your family do other than whine?

Well my family can also fight for making alaska part of Pakistan and claim that I fought for Pakistan just like you who wants to liberate lucknow.

People would consider me fool and nothing more. Just like I consider you fool for your obsession with Lucknow.

And you think you can do a better job with your insults and picking fights.

I can and I have. Go ask other members.
 
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Lol @MastanKhan lives in USA which is also called land of opportunities because it provides opportunity to everyone who has merit and talent.

But wants quote system based on ethnicity in Sindh.

If there would have been quote system in USA then Mastan Khan would have no option but driving taxi in New York. Talk about irony. :lol:
US got quota system. They just don't talk about it. Most places call it diversity quota. In US, fastest way to get sued for racial discrimination is not having a racially mixed workforce.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/08/college-quotas-are-actually-destroying-lives-of-minorities/

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US got quota system. They just don't talk about it. Most places call it diversity quota. In US, fastest way to get sued for racial discrimination is having not having a racially mixed workforce.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/08/college-quotas-are-actually-destroying-lives-of-minorities/

We don't have quotas for the majority. Secondly, anti-discrimination laws are not "quotas". Please take the time to look them up and actually read them.

And you have cited an article about colleges anyway. Discrimination based on race is illegal in this country.
 
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I don't need a certificate from you about my love or hate for MQM. I vocally opposed MQM on this forum and a lot of members know that. Anyways. Coming back to your weak points for defense of corruption in Sindh aka quota system.



I am going to attack you and abuse you if you support corruption in Pakistan in the form of quota system. I would attack you if you attack my community accusing it of breaking Pakistan.



I don't care about PPP and MQM. F*ck them both. But this quota system would have to go.

Bohat mazai ho gaye.



Nope. We were/are a minority and didn't play any role in 71.



I perfectly know sindhis. Call me racist o whatever but it is not me voting PPP into power again and again. It is Sindhis who as per you are so poor that they deserve quota indefinitely till the end of this world.



You can call me fool but when I turn back to you, you start whining about being attacked.

Anyways/ This poverty and lack of resources is due to Sindhi's own failure. We aren't supposed to carry burden of other's failures. If sindhis are poor and uneducated despite having several prime minister's and presidents then they don't need quota system. They need to open their eyes and wake up to see where they are standing.



We "control" Karachi and Hyderababd because we have skills and talent to control them. WE built these cities. WE made Karachi what it is today. All those memons, all those hyderababadis. All those guys from Delhi and UP. It is these guys who made this city what it is today. We earned this with our hard work and education. Instead of getting jealous and trying to survive on a corrupt quota system other ethnic groups need to learn something from us. Take inspiration from us and start working hard to get education and o move forward.



As said before. F*ck MQM. You can't hide behind your hatred for Muhajir's with bashing MQM.




Then go ahead. Debunk it once more. Let's see what you would do.



We are not powerful. We are still struggling to get rid of corrupt and unjust quota system.

So stop calling us powerful.



You are sympathetic because you hate Urdu speaking people of Karachi. You are a self loathing fool. If you would have been a well wisher of Sindhis you would have asked them to work hard and get jobs on merit.



Keep bashing MQM. Quota is unjust and is root cause of racist bigotry in Sindh.



Well my family can also fight for making alaska part of Pakistan and claim that I fought for Pakistan just like you who wants to liberate lucknow.

People would consider me fool and nothing more. Just like I consider you fool for your obsession with Lucknow.



I can and I have. Go ask other members.
There is no point arguing with you. I will only drag myself to your level. I think everyone needs to think beyond their ethnic chauvinism. The first step is to take into account what is best for Pakistan-not for a small community. For this the muhajir cry against Qouta system is part of ethnic chauvinism. I leave the debate here.
 
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I agree to an extent. If quota system is abolished there might be no representation from Sindhis in their largest city. This will give life to Sindhudesh and JQSM type unknown organization. Muhajirs came to Pakistan and went for the golden duck, the prospering capital city of Karachi at that time.

How would people in Dubai feel if Villupuram Chinnaih from S.India ask them to abolish quota system and takeover their best city and let Arab wander in desert. Quote system is there to protect the right of locals. It should be improved but abolishing it will create more problem.


Muhajir's just came to Karachi in love of Jinnah because this was birth place of their beloved leader ... And our ancestors made this city Golden duck ........

Hi,

So---what is wrong in being a car salesman in pakistan---.

You are foreigners in karachi---Karachi is a city of sindh---. It is a capital of sindh---the sindhis can make their own laws in their state---. If they want quota system to protect their jobs---it is their right---they are in majority---.

You foreigners cannot do anything---unless you change your ethnicity that you have been hanging with for all these years---get the hate and superiority out of your hearts---stop looking down on sindhis and other ethnic groups---and live in sindh and become a sindhi---.

Accept it as your identity---accept sindh as your resource---your problem will be solved.


@WebMaster MQM was made due to this type of mentality ............

Dude you are also foreigner in USA and you did nothing for freedom of USA ... But I know (if you have nationality of USA) you would have enjoyed all benefits like born Americans ...........
 
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