'Confucius on talks': A few words about the thought of Confucius

[Viva_Viet]

Most of the post are translated by Google cos I dont know Chinese and only can translate from VN website. Hope mod will allow me to remain the thread

The thread may help people understand more abt VN-CN with the core thought/culture is Confucious. Why VN-CN dont pray or believe in God , not bcs we r communist, so we dont pray God cos actually Confucius master want us to focus on making ourself better instead of worrying abt how to make God "happpy".

Thats explain why small country like VN still can survive against many much stronger invaders (Han-Mongol-Manchus-France-US) and still develop well without relying in any big nations and Zero death in Covid pademic cos we keep focusing on how to make ourself better as Confucius master taught.

Thats why we (VN-CN) consider Confucius master is the "Teacher of eternity".

Part 1

Confucianism is considered an ideology that has far-reaching and long-lasting influence on Vietnamese society, is the foundation of moral education for people, greatly contributes to the organization of the state, maintains the social order, economic development, literary writing in monarchies such as the Ly Dynasty, the Tran Dynasty, the Le Dynasty, and the Nguyen Dynasty, throughout the history consistent with and harmonized with the Vietnamese life, forming the Confucianist culture Vietnamese identity is called Việt Nho ...

Confucian influence on Vietnam was profound as the foundation of civilization in Vietnam and placed Vietnam in the countries that influenced the Chinese Civilization called the East Asian Cultural Region. Confucianism gradually shaped the way of life, life, morality, and human treatment in Vietnamese society. Some Confucian ideologies still play a role in Vietnamese social order to this day. The slippery and negative aspects of materialism and enjoyment are thought to conflict with Confucianism and degrade today's Vietnamese morals.
https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nho_giáo_Việt_Nam#:~:text=Ảnh hưởng của Nho giáo,trong xã hội Việt Nam.

Confucianism in Vietnam can be considered as a social philosophy than just a normal religion. It has no church, no clergy and no bible as well. It advocates a code of social behavior that man ought to live in harmony with society and attain happiness in his individual life.

What is Confucianism?
As a major emphasis in its ethical system, Confucianism regulates relations between people. If there is improper conduct of these relations, it will cause disorders in the social group and therefore, throw man out of harmony with the universe. The cosmic world (heaven and earth) are in harmony and man’s aim is to achieve a similar one. Vietnamese Confucianism, though without a strong formalized organization, still vitally affects nearly all ethnic Vietnamese. This is part of the cultural environment where the child is born.
https://vietnamdiscovery.com/culture-arts/confucianism-in-vietnam/

 

[KediKesenFare3]

The communists of China, Vietnam and other Asian countries have actually abandoned Confucius a long time ago, especially the CCP was against the worldview and laws articulated by Confucius. In other words: in today's world, the Western nations are more Confucian than China, VN and other Asians ever will be as long as they stay communist.

 

[Viva_Viet]

The communists of China, Vietnam and other Asian countries have actually abandoned Confucius a long time ago, especially the CCP was against the worldview and laws articulated by Confucius. In other words: in today's world, the Western nations are more Confucian than China, VN and other Asians ever will be as long as they stay communist.

In this sense, Confucianism is anti-individualistic while the West worship individualistic. It explain why most of factories left CN due to trade war came to VN, not other nations cos the workers of other nations talking too much abt "human rights" and protesting thats surely will damage the efficency of the factories and make the societies fall into chaos during the Pademic like Covid (The protestors in US r making covid getting much worse)

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The Influence of Confucianism in Vietnam
The profound impact of Confucianism remains strong in Vietnam. Social order is defined by its principle as well as the rituals, deference and obedience.

Confucianism gave Vietnam a highly organized hierarchical society. Yet, while encouraging the improvement of the individual, it did also appeal his positive relationship with the community. In this sense, Confucianism is anti-individualistic.
https://vietnamdiscovery.com/culture-arts/confucianism-in-vietnam/

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Confucius is the founder of Confucianism, and also the great philosopher of humanity. However, today many people misunderstand Confucius' thought so they cannot see the essence of Confucianism ...

The true meaning of: 'the will in learning/studying'
Confucius once said: “I am 15 years old, my will was at learning/studying', 30 years old I can be independent, 40 years old Im no longer doubt, 50 years old I knows Heaven's destiny, 60 years old I hear anything and find it convenient (no more arguing), 70 years old my mind at will, you can do it arbitrarily but not exceed the rules ”.

15-year-old Confucius began to learn hard, "Learning" here is the "Tao". What is Tao? It is the truth, the meaning of existence and also the existential value of life. So Confucius diligently studied books, traveling the country, and worshiping Lao Tzu ... is also an honest expression of his guidance.(Tao, a Chinese word signifying the "way", "path", "route", "road" or sometimes more loosely "doctrine". Chinese name. Chinese. 道教 Hanyu Pinyin.)

Confucius' life is constantly sublime in awareness. At the age of 50, knowing his mission, he went to "Mission" and from 55 years old he started traveling abroad Of course, the purpose of traveling abroad was not to seek an official. is Confucius, Confucius does not chant the job, so he can be an official, then he is an official, can stop, stop, maybe for a long time, or quickly, quickly.

Confucius continued to spread the Tao until he was 60 years old, at this time his xinxing improved to the fifth level: "Listening to anything is pleasant to hear." Regardless of the headset, what the eye sees, his mind is motionless. This is the manifestation of the great mind. Khong Tu traveled abroad for 13 years, until he was 68 when he returned to Lu Quoc (his country, Lu)

When he reached the age of 70, he reached the realm of being able to: "Be willing to do it, but still not beyond the rules". Confucius most ideas, most language, most movements are in the Dao. It also means that he has cultivated to the level of his should, public member fullness. In the last few years of his life: Dinh "Music Festival", chanting "Chu Dich", practicing "Spring and Autumn", until 73 years old to complete his mission and leave the human world.

Is the Confucius' an 'Atheism'?
Someone said: The religion that Confucius transmits is Atheism, not talking about life and death, the main reason is because of the dialogue between him and Quy Lo (Gu Lo). Gu Lo asked Confucius on how to serve the dead, and Confucius replied, "You cannot serve, how can you serve demons?"

Gu Lo asked again: "Dare to ask what is death?"
Confucius replied, "For survival that cannot yet be transparent, how can one know death?"

In fact, in ancient times, everyone believed in the existence of the soul, the Buddha God; after death, people will descend into hell and become ghosts. Of course, Confucius' disciples are the same. When they ask Confucius for similar things, they are holding the mind of ordinary people. So, a lot of people think: What will the dead be like? How does Than Tien (God, saints) have a life? What good is being a fairy? What will the soul eat, how to make sacrifices, etc.

However, true cultivation is cultivating one's own mind, the focus is not on how to worship or sacrifice to the devil. Just like in Buddhism, "Kim Cang Kinh" (Diamond Sutra), which writes:


"Temporarily translated:
All compounded phenomena,
Like dreams, illusions, bubbles, shadows,
Like dew, like lightning,
Reflect like that.
https://www.ntdvn.com/van-hoa/khong...an-loc-ve-tu-tuong-cua-duc-khong-tu-2630.html

 

[PeacefulWar]

The communists of China, Vietnam and other Asian countries have actually abandoned Confucius a long time ago, especially the CCP was against the worldview and laws articulated by Confucius. In other words: in today's world, the Western nations are more Confucian than China, VN and other Asians ever will be as long as they stay communist.

This is not true.
Confucianism is still the core of culture and social value in eastern counties.
And to say today's CN and VN are communist is just stupid.
It's even hard to call us socialism nowadays.

 

[Song Hong]

I have read Analects 論語, Meng Zi 孟子 , and a few more others in classical Chinese.

Most people of East Asia still practice Confucianism, without knowing the essential canons.

But that is enough.

 

[PeacefulWar]

Most of the post are translated by Google cos I dont know Chinese and only can translate from VN website. Hope mod will allow me to remain the thread

The thread may help people understand more abt VN-CN with the core thought/culture is Confucious. Why VN-CN dont pray or believe in God , not bcs we r communist, so we dont pray God cos actually Confucius master want us to focus on making ourself better instead of worrying abt how to make God "happpy".

Thats explain why small country like VN still can survive against many much stronger invaders (Han-Mongol-Manchus-France-US) and still develop well without relying in any big nations and Zero death in Covid pademic cos we keep focusing on how to make ourself better as Confucius master taught.

Thats why we (VN-CN) consider Confucius master is the "Teacher of eternity".

Part 1

Confucianism is considered an ideology that has far-reaching and long-lasting influence on Vietnamese society, is the foundation of moral education for people, greatly contributes to the organization of the state, maintains the social order, economic development, literary writing in monarchies such as the Ly Dynasty, the Tran Dynasty, the Le Dynasty, and the Nguyen Dynasty, throughout the history consistent with and harmonized with the Vietnamese life, forming the Confucianist culture Vietnamese identity is called Việt Nho ...

Confucian influence on Vietnam was profound as the foundation of civilization in Vietnam and placed Vietnam in the countries that influenced the Chinese Civilization called the East Asian Cultural Region. Confucianism gradually shaped the way of life, life, morality, and human treatment in Vietnamese society. Some Confucian ideologies still play a role in Vietnamese social order to this day. The slippery and negative aspects of materialism and enjoyment are thought to conflict with Confucianism and degrade today's Vietnamese morals.
https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nho_giáo_Việt_Nam#:~:text=Ảnh hưởng của Nho giáo,trong xã hội Việt Nam.

Confucianism in Vietnam can be considered as a social philosophy than just a normal religion. It has no church, no clergy and no bible as well. It advocates a code of social behavior that man ought to live in harmony with society and attain happiness in his individual life.

What is Confucianism?
As a major emphasis in its ethical system, Confucianism regulates relations between people. If there is improper conduct of these relations, it will cause disorders in the social group and therefore, throw man out of harmony with the universe. The cosmic world (heaven and earth) are in harmony and man’s aim is to achieve a similar one. Vietnamese Confucianism, though without a strong formalized organization, still vitally affects nearly all ethnic Vietnamese. This is part of the cultural environment where the child is born.
https://vietnamdiscovery.com/culture-arts/confucianism-in-vietnam/

Kudos to you.
More mutual understanding is the way to go.

 

[Viva_Viet]

This is not true.
Confucianism is still the core of culture and social value in eastern counties.
And to say today's CN and VN are communist is just stupid.
It's even hard to call us socialism nowadays.

Yeah. Confucius is anti-individualistic. Its explain why most of Vnese, Cnese willing to stay at home, no protesting during the social distancing cos we always put the benefit of the society above.

Meanwhile, in US, the protesters start looting, burning, fighting cos they worship individualistic and believe that themselves r the most important thing, not the society.

Kudos to you.
More mutual understanding is the way to go.

Its late in VN now.00:03, so I may continue to translate tomorrow.

VN gwt rud of Covid thanks to the Confucius idea, so I think I should translate what I know abt Confucius to let all ppl know the advantage of Confucius.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

This is not true.
Confucianism is still the core of culture and social value in eastern counties.
And to say today's CN and VN are communist is just stupid.
It's even hard to call us socialism nowadays.

It is. I can give you a simple example:

What did Confucius told us about table manners? If you don't know, look it up.

Now take this knowledge and rules taught by the great Confucius and comapare it to what the CCP was preaching after the revolution (工农联盟) + how Chinese today practice dining etiquette.

Are you still insisting that Chinese are following Confucius? Those who are somewhat Confucian are almost always not aware of the reasoning behind their action. This doesn't count.

 

[Song Hong]

论语·季氏 第十六篇

丘也闻有国有家者，不患寡而患不均

Confucianism place emphasis on equality. It warn that the biggest harm to country is inequality. That is diametrically against free market capitalism.

论语-雍也
敬鬼神而远之

Also Confucian teach us do not be too superstitious, even though one may believe in God.

论语－颜渊
己所不欲，勿施于人

Confucius also say similar to Bible "Do to others as you would have them do to you"

And reason why China can adapt to Marxism. They are somehow quite close.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I have read Analects 論語, Meng Zi 孟子 , and a few more others in classical Chinese.

Most people of East Asia still practice Confucianism, without knowing the essential canons.

But that is enough.

What is Analect and Meng Zhi in Vnese?? I may translate if they r useful for the modern society.

 

[zhxy]

Chinese people hate it. Confucianism is the culprit that makes China weak and backward.

 

[Song Hong]

What is Analect and Meng Zhi in Vnese?? I may translate if they r useful for the modern society.

Luận ngữ
Mạnh Tử

They are quite accessible to modern Chinese speaker even though written 2500 years ago.

 

[PeacefulWar]

It is. I can give you a simple example:

What did Confucius told us about table manners? If you don't know, look it up.

Now take this knowledge and rules taught by the great Confucius and comapare it to what the CCP was preaching after the revolution (工农联盟) + how Chinese today practice dining etiquette.

Are you still insisting that Chinese are following Confucius? Those who are somewhat Confucian are almost always not aware of the reasoning behind their action. This doesn't count.

I think you confused tranditions with Confucis.
Confucis is not religion, the rituals is hardly part of it.

 

[zhxy]

Qin ShiHuang burned books and killed scholars. Because he knows Confucianism is useless

 

[Viva_Viet]

Luận ngữ
Mạnh Tử

They are quite accessible to modern Chinese speaker even though written 2500 years ago.

Tks.Meng zhi is more aggressive than Confucius master. He demand to replace the king if the king is not good enough to govern the country while the Confucius master only said :" the king who failed to govern the country is not the true king".

And most of VN-CN companies apply Meng zhi's idea now. If u r not good enough for the job, then u will be replaced in No time even with no compensation ( when VN law allow the fired staff got 2 month salary compensation)