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This thread is initialized to compare the Main Battle Tanks of India and Pakistan both quantitatively and qualitatively. Please visualize 2020 for future analysis (if you want to make futuristic analysis). Please express your opinion without any discrimination.
Thank you.
 
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both have crappy tanks to be honest.
just dont compare them.
but if you ask both nations tank.
i would say al khalid I
 
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T-90S "Bhishma"/T-90M-Initially contract for 310 "T-90S" signed in 2001.A contract, worth $800 million, was signed on October 26, 2006, for another 330 T-90M MBTs that were to be built with locally-sourced raw materials.A third contract, worth $1.23 billion, was signed in December 2007 for 347 upgraded T-90Ms, the bulk of which will be licence-assembled by HVF.The Indian Army would begin receiving its first T-90M main battle tank (MBT) in completely knocked-down condition from Russia’s Nizhny Tagil-based Uralvagonzavod JSC by the end of 2009. In all, India plans to have 310 T-90S and 1,330 T-90M tanks in service by 2020(totally 1657 tanks by 2020).

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With a total of 248 to be built. This to be followed by the Arjun MK-II and the FMBT.

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968 T72M1 have been upgraded by the Heavy vehicles factory (HVF), While requests for proposal for upgrading approximately 1000 other T-72's have been sent to various firms in Israel, Russia, Poland and France.

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Al-Khalid-300 Al-Khalid ordered initially, later orders for upgraded Al-Khalid I.Al Khalid II is poised to become the Pakistan Army's backbone main battle tank from 2012

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Al-zarrar-400 upgraded form of Type 59-II.

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T-80UD-320 delivered by Ukraine between 1997 and early 2002, incorporating re-designed T-84 turret.
 
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India relies on Arjun , T-90 and T-72. Pakistan relies on Al-khalid and Al-Zarrar.
Quantitatively , India has large number of MBTs as compared to Pakistan.
Qualitatively , Al-Khalid has some edge over other sub-continent MBTs.
 
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yarrr you open a thread for comparisons of 2 tanks, and you expect others to do the how for you? comman man...
 
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This thread only purposes constructive analysis of MBTs.
Nothing more...
 
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India relies on Arjun , T-90 and T-72. Pakistan relies on Al-khalid and Al-Zarrar.
Quantitatively , India has large number of MBTs as compared to Pakistan.
Qualitatively , Al-Khalid has some edge over other sub-continent MBTs.

And you claim this "edge" of khalid based on what. Read threads already in existence on the forum about both tanks. Arjun maintains superiority over al khalid on any given day. Read and find out for yourself.
 
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And you claim this "edge" of khalid based on what. Read threads already in existence on the forum about both tanks. Arjun maintains superiority over al khalid on any given day. Read and find out for yourself.

Please educate us HOW ?

HIT Al Khalid Main Battle Tank.

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Myth: The Al Khalid is nothing more than the NORINCO brand

Type 90-IIM Main Battle Tank.


The Al-Khalid is essentially a hybrid tank design with systems, armament and subsystems originating from a variety of global sources though the tank system itself, as a whole, is a locally-produced product native to Pakistan. Its indirect lineage can be traced back to the Soviet Cold War-era T-54 series while its direct lineage stems from the Chinese NORINCO Type 90-II main battle tank. Additionally, engines are of Ukrainian origin while production is handled within Pakistan. In most respects, the Al-Khalid can be viewed as the "ultimate" evolution of the successful Soviet T-54 system.

Design on the Al-Khalid ran through most of the 1990's to which the system was then known as the "MBT 2000". Design was handled on both the part of NORINCO Factory 617 of China and Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) of Pakistan with a partnership officially inked in January of 1990. Prototypes appeared the following year and went into evaluation. At the core of the new tank design was to be ease-of-production, a system that could readily accept the use of foreign powerpacks.

There appeared four major prototypes designated simply as P1, P2, P3 and P4. Each was differentiated mainly by their selection of powerplants. The P1 sported the German-based MTU-396 diesel engine mated to an LSG-3000 automatic transmission while fielding a Chinese-made 125mm main gun, fire-control system and autoloader. The P2 was similar in scope but with a Perkins Condor 1,200 horsepower diesel engine (used in the successful British Challenger MBT series), a French SESM ESM500 (ala the Le Clerc MBT) and western-based fire-control system. The P3 sported a Ukrainian 6TD-2 1,200 horsepower engine but essentially the P2 prototype. The P4 was given the NATO-standard 120mm main gun tied into a western-based fire-control system along with a German-based MTU-871/TCM AVDS-1790 diesel engine with LSG-3000 automatic transmission. The P4 was intended to become an export product for Pakistan to produce, operate and sell to other prospective global buyers.

P2's Challenger-based engine proved too temperamental for the rigors of desert warfare and was ultimately too expensive for a long-term powerpack solution. The P4 saw its demise when an arms embargo was placed against Pakistan for their testing of a nuclear weapon in 1998. As such, the P3 with her Ukrainian powerplant proved the best for both cost and operations in the hot Pakistani climate. The new tank system was born under the Chinese designation of "Type 90-IIM" (showcasing its obvious lineage to the NORINCO Type 90-II model) along with an export designation of "MBT 2000". In Pakistan, the tank took on the name of "Al-Khalid".

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Pakistan received much experience in its two major Indo-Pak Wars against India resulting in a nation that was now more or less knowledgeable about what it wanted in their next main battle tank. Pakistan had already been granted license-production rights to the Chinese Type 85-IIAP series and manufactured the type through Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), to which the experience in this type of industrial-size, heavy duty manufacturing proved priceless to Pakistan's future within localized production of armored vehicles. As such, HIT was tabbed for producing the new Al-Khalid and the tank entered service with the Pakistani Army in 2001 with local Pakistani production continuing even today. It is expected that some 600 total Al-Khalids will be delivered to the Pakistani Army by production's end.

Externally, the Al-Khalid shares a conventional design consistent with most modern main battle tanks. It offers up a low profile thanks to its rather short turret height. The glacis plate is very shallow and side armor is augmented through the use if skirts. Six road wheels are fitted to a side. Crew accommodations amount to three personnel as the loader position is done away with. The driver is seated in the center of the forward hull while the gunner and tank commander take their positions in the turret. Armor is composite in construction and is expanded to include Explosive Reactive Armor for increased protection.

The engine is mounted at the rear and consists of a Ukrainian-based KMDB 6TD-2 6-cylinder diesel-fueled engine delivering up to 1,200 horsepower. The engine provides a top speed of 70 kilometers-per-hour with a range of 400 kilometers. The powerplant is tied to a SESM ESM500-series 5-speed transmission system. Suspension is accomplished through a torsion bar and hydraulic damper arrangement.

Primary armament of the Al-Khalid centers around the powerful 125mm smoothbore main gun nestled into the center of the turret face. Consistent with Russian tank designs throughout recent history, the Al-Khalid does away with the main gun loader as a crewmember and instead employs a complicated but effective automatic loader in his place. Anti-aircraft support is handled by the tank commander through an externally-operated 12.7mm heavy machine gun mounted on the turret roof. A 7.62mm anti-infantry machine gun is mounted co-axially on the turret face next to the main gun. Six smoke grenade dischargers are fitted to either turret side and a capable laser range finder, laser detection system and NBC protection are all standard to base Al-Khalids.

As of this writing, 320 examples of the Al-Khalid have been produced. The primary production model is the Al-Khalid based on the NORINCO prototype fitting the Ukrainian KMDB 6TD-2 diesel engine (P3). The Al-Khalid I represents a proposed upgraded model with revised systems, engine, autoloader and armor as well as the ability to fire KOMBAT anti-tank guided missiles for increased lethality. This version is still under development.

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The Al-Khalid is named after the Muslim hero-general Khalid ibn al-Walid (592-642 AD), Muhammad's successful and legendary military commander.

Saudi Arabia has been rumored as a potential Al Khalid user though this agreement has not been exercised.

HIT Al Khalid / Type 90-II / MBT 2000 - Main Battle Tank - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Tanks, Vehicles and Artillery
 
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Does size make a difference? Al Khalid is more comparable in size to T-90, while Arjun is much larger.
 
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My dear Riaz :
1) Arjun engine gets hot early
2) Arjun does not perform well in deserts etc.
3) Oil consumption of Arjun is much higher
4) International demand of Al-Khalid much higher
5) Al-Khalid is designed on western , chinese design according to the need of sub-continent
(Please refer me any thread showing Arjun superior)
Note: According to international analysts , Al-Khalid is a better option.
 
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And you claim this "edge" of khalid based on what. Read threads already in existence on the forum about both tanks. Arjun maintains superiority over al khalid on any given day. Read and find out for yourself.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh you bhartis :whistle: :lol::lol::lol:

Common man. . . We have seen your Tejas too :no:
 
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India :
3 Armoured Divisions
63 Armoured Regiments
8 Independant Armoured Brigades
248 Arjun
124 Arjun II (Under Developement)
T-90 (Target of 1657 till 2020)
2000 T-72 (Being Upgraded)
1000 Vijyanta (In Reserve)
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Pakistan:
2 Armoured Divisions
46 Armoured Regiments
8 Independant Armoured Brigades
Al-Khalid II (Under Developement)
300 Al-Khalid (Target of 600)
350 Al-Zarrar
320 T-80 UD
300 T-85 II
220 T-69 II
 
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1) Arjun engine gets hot early

No offense, but are you living in the 90s. Engine problems were long sorted out and heck even a new engine has been developed pumping out 100 more HP from the original 1400 HP.

2) Arjun does not perform well in deserts etc.

Mate, Arjun was designed for the deserts.

3) Oil consumption of Arjun is much higher

So ?? Is this a family sedan to have more mileage ?? heck it is a tank and we can afford the fuel costs.

4) International demand of Al-Khalid much higher

Is it ?? Which nations have ordered AK till now. I want confirmed orders that HIT is currently doing.

5) Al-Khalid is designed on western , chinese design according to the need of sub-continent

Arjun has Indo-Israel components.

(Please refer me any thread showing Arjun superior)

Ha, already discussed about all these in this thread and which features Arjun is better than AK.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/95660-arjun-mark-ii-israeli-view-must-read-5.html#post1528467

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/95660-arjun-mark-ii-israeli-view-must-read-5.html#post1528518
 
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