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Coloured up: Muslims and Christians join Holi celebrations

Would love to see Hindus celebrating and congratulating Muslims on Eid-ul-Azha and helping them in sacrificing animals of teir choice.
You know that quite a few Hindus in India fast on Ramadan to help their Muslim friends get through it? My Dad done it when he lived in India.
I attempted to here in UK for my Turkish friend but gave up on the first day. :(
 
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The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3512; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This at the very least indicates that it is haraam to imitate them, although the apparent meaning is that the one who imitates them is a kaafir. Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem, 1/237.

Ibn Taymiyyah, in his beautiful and monumental book Iqtidaa’ as-Siraat al-Mustaqeem Mukhaalafatu Ashaab’il-Jaheem (In Pursuit of the Straight Path by Contradicting the People of the Hellfire), said:

“Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to mislead the weak.”
I disagree....celebrating or having fun is fine as long as they dont "imitate" their prayers or forms of worship...

Everything depends on niyaat...and if the niyaat is just to increase human bond then I see no harm in it....Its not like by playing with colours you either become a polytheist or anything else....read the Arabic words the word imitates means in form of worship!!
 
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whoever is speaking sh!t about yoga being hindu ritual is a rated idiot. Yoga has no relation to it. What u guys must be confusing is with pranayaam which may involve uttereance of hindu religion related words !
 
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I disagree....celebrating or having fun is fine as long as they dont "imitate" their prayers or forms of worship...

Everything depends on niyaat...and if the niyaat is just to increase human bond then I see no harm in it....Its not like by playing with colours you either become a polytheist or anything else....read the Arabic words the word imitates means in form of worship!!
I disagree....celebrating or having fun is fine as long as they dont "imitate" their prayers or forms of worship...

Everything depends on niyaat...and if the niyaat is just to increase human bond then I see no harm in it....Its not like by playing with colours you either become a polytheist or anything else....read the Arabic words the word imitates means in form of worship!!

You know its even haram to congratulate the kuffaar on their occasions, let alone celebrate anything related to it.

You have no right to disagree
 
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You know its even haram to congratulate the kuffaar on their occasions, let alone celebrate anything related to it.

You have no right to disagree

and who are you? Molvi who knows everything?
 
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I disagree....celebrating or having fun is fine as long as they dont "imitate" their prayers or forms of worship...

Everything depends on niyaat...and if the niyaat is just to increase human bond then I see no harm in it....Its not like by playing with colours you either become a polytheist or anything else....read the Arabic words the word imitates means in form of worship!!
In Pakistan the yoga instructors dont even force ppl to recite any of such words....its simply an excercise....i dont know why ppl have prob with it....
 
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In Pakistan the yoga instructors dont even force ppl to recite any of such words....its simply an excercise....i dont know why ppl have prob with it....

Don't do YOGA again please because the last time you tried to do it & instead fell down on the ground with a resounding 'dhum' like sound....there was an Earthquake in Pakistan ! :fie:
 
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The Prophet SAW said whoever imitates a group of people becomes a part of them. This is no small thing. It is why even congratulating the kufaar on their religious occasions is haram.

Listen ignorant fella.
The things mentioned are nothing to do with religion.

People like you give us and our religion a bad name.
 
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Faith is blind, isn't it? Who has seen Allah?

Who has seen Quaran being sent by Allah?

No offence, but how do we know that our father is who our mother told us to be? does anyone ever tries to prove that with science or believes blindly what mother told them?

It's only when illiterates (in religious knowledge) think they know it all based on their own logic, and start declaring religious concepts as right or wrong. For us as Muslims, the best way is to follow Quran and Sunnah blindly, and think about it, not question them. May Allah protect us all.

Aye, that's true.
But blind faith with no understanding is as misguided as disbelief. Take our Holy book for example, or any source of wisdom.
Or a verbal lesson to a kid, If I throw a man with the mathematical ability of a 12 year old in a calculus class, he will not make use of it at all. If I give a child a book to read on Quantum physics, you ask him and he will tell you he read and nowhere does he have any 'ifs or buts'. Similarly, our book is a source of wisdom for all of humanity, you could spend your life trying but you will never understand all it has to offer.

You need to know, that although you'd like to believe that all is black and white, unless you have the answers to everything regarding religion and life, there are no grey areas. Then let me know, next time I have any issues, I will come to your personally.

For mortals like us, using our understanding and making a judgement call is not a bad thing to do at all.
However, the red lines and clear calls for us are not to be argued that's fair.

So... like I said... Blind faith with no understanding is as misguided as disbelief.

Let me warn you now, lest it you waste anymore time.
 
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Faith is blind, isn't it? Who has seen Allah?

Who has seen Quaran being sent by Allah?

No offence, but how do we know that our father is who our mother told us to be? does anyone ever tries to prove that with science or believes blindly what mother told them?

It's only when illiterates (in religious knowledge) think they know it all based on their own logic, and start declaring religious concepts as right or wrong. For us as Muslims, the best way is to follow Quran and Sunnah blindly, and think about it, not question them. May Allah protect us all.

Yes it is blind, I've always said, my belief in God is blind faith.
I've no evidence, or reason to believe but I do anyway. So sure of it I am in that faith, it defies logic.

But do not misunderstand me. It's one thing to have faith in the Qur'an, even blind faith.
But like I said before, the resources we have available, the Qur'an, the Hadith, Sunnah, scholarly works. All of these things are far too vast for the average Muslim to understand. Like I said before, you could spend your life trying, you wont cover it all.
Today, Islam is not a singular belief system, there are many many sects, within those sects, you have many many sub-sects, within those you have different schools of thought, within those schools of thoughts you have scholars making different judgement calls.

So now you tell me, are you a super being who's read through EVERY single resource, understood all of it and come to a conscience, non-controversial conclusion as to what your beliefs are, definitively speaking??

I highly doubt it. If God meant it that way, we'd all be superhumans, All we'd need is the book alone and no further guidance, we'd need no scholarly work, we'd need no other guidance. But that is not the case.

So tell me, how is it that you came to your current beliefs? Did they magically appear in your head?
Or did you single out the beliefs that sound right to you? Is that not reasoning?
Now why don't you for example subscribe to the TTP version of Islam? Some of the quotes they find to back their insanity are valid, but why have you stayed away from that?.... Because YOU made a judgement call.

Our religion makes no secret of the fact that the humans are given free will, and that is a catalyst for everything I talk about.

Now I am not saying question the word of God. No sir, that is unIslamic through and through. But what you can question is what other humans say about the word of God and what their judgement call is.

Just like I did with Mr Pious here who claims that yoga and holi are forbidden and in doing so, he inadvertently claimed his word as the word of God. Astaghfirullah.

I think you and I are on the same page, this was to clarify my point of view. I hope you understand, God bless.
 
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You have got to be kidding me. After all the issues this country has been through...this is one of the biggest things that comes to mind????

Yoga is exercise....I mean come on!



I went to a church for a play that they were organizing... and nothing happened when I came out of the church... I didn't suddenly become a christian.

Its these childish things that makes the rest of the world laugh at us.

When i get invited to christmas dinners etc I go there because I want to be there with my friends. If your faith is so strong you should have no problems taking part in the festivities of other cultures/religions. Its in the best interest for a society to have multi-cultural/multi-faith events because it brings every one together. When people actually meet one another and understand each other they realize that they aren't really that different to begin with.


We can wish other good luck or whatever in their religious endevours but as muslims

we DO NOT partake in their false haram kaffir ideology or faith,

I'll give you an example, as muslims hinduism is fake to us, the epitome of kaffir pagan ideology, their idol worship will lead them to hell fire.

So in short you can wish them well, but you do not partake or celebrate something that is both false and will lead to hell

If you really care for people whther it be hindu's or xtians then lead them to the path of islam to salvation not continue on the path of jahilat
 
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This universe is full of evidence, for those who look around, and no need to go far away, one only has to look at himself or his offspring and think how and where he came from.

Wrong! This was the approach used by Christians and Jews, that only pope can understand the message and Bible was banned for possession by common people, that's how the kings paid bribe to them to make ammendments to suit them and their needs.

Quran on the other hand gives Allah's message in plain and simple language. You don't have to be a scholar to understand that, just read the translation and do some thinking, the more you try to understand it, the easier it becomes.

Islam is the same today as it was 1500 years ago, only people have changed. Don't follow the sects and sub-sects, everyone is accountable for his own deeds, don't declare anyone as Kafir or mushrik, don't judge others as right or wrong, Allah will ask you only about your own self. When someone asks me what sect I belong to, my answer is simple, the same sect that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) followed. start believing the same, and Allah will guide you to the right path.

NO way, just a simple person, who minds his own business, and asks for HIS forgiveness and guidance.

Don't fall in that pit of doubt, that's what satan does, creates doubt in you heart and mind. One does not have to be a super person, in fact one only has to be humble, that's what Islam teaches us.

My beliefs are blessings of Allah, and I thank him for his guidance and mercy.

TTP version of Islam? now you are being an idiot. As I said before their is only one version of Islam, the one that Allah created and the same that Prophet preached.

Only being that is qualified to judge is the one who can not be judged by anyone else, and that being is the ONE and ONLY ALLAH.

You think we are on the same page, but you appear to be full of doubts and pessimism, I am very clear in my mind about my Islamic identity and my beliefs and my blind faith in the Allah, and HIS prophet(s) and HIS book(s) and Islamic teachings, and I don't give a dime what other ignorant and lost people think about Allah or HIS prophet or HIS word (Quran) or HIS teachings.

May Allah guide and protect us all. Peace.


Yes it is blind, I've always said, my belief in God is blind faith.
I've no evidence, or reason to believe but I do anyway. So sure of it I am in that faith, it defies logic.

But do not misunderstand me. It's one thing to have faith in the Qur'an, even blind faith.
But like I said before, the resources we have available, the Qur'an, the Hadith, Sunnah, scholarly works. All of these things are far too vast for the average Muslim to understand. Like I said before, you could spend your life trying, you wont cover it all.

Today, Islam is not a singular belief system, there are many many sects, within those sects, you have many many sub-sects, within those you have different schools of thought, within those schools of thoughts you have scholars making different judgement calls.

So now you tell me, are you a super being who's read through EVERY single resource, understood all of it and come to a conscience, non-controversial conclusion as to what your beliefs are, definitively speaking??

I highly doubt it. If God meant it that way, we'd all be superhumans, All we'd need is the book alone and no further guidance, we'd need no scholarly work, we'd need no other guidance. But that is not the case.

So tell me, how is it that you came to your current beliefs? Did they magically appear in your head?
Or did you single out the beliefs that sound right to you? Is that not reasoning?

Now why don't you for example subscribe to the TTP version of Islam? Some of the quotes they find to back their insanity are valid, but why have you stayed away from that?.... Because YOU made a judgement call.

Our religion makes no secret of the fact that the humans are given free will, and that is a catalyst for everything I talk about.

Now I am not saying question the word of God. No sir, that is unIslamic through and through. But what you can question is what other humans say about the word of God and what their judgement call is.

Just like I did with Mr Pious here who claims that yoga and holi are forbidden and in doing so, he inadvertently claimed his word as the word of God. Astaghfirullah.

I think you and I are on the same page, this was to clarify my point of view. I hope you understand, God bless.
 
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Local colour: Celebrating Holi in Tharparkar
By Sanam Maher / Photo: Tooba Masood
Published: March 23, 2014
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Hindu families of Umerkot and its adjoining areas celebrate Holi as the district faces one of the worst bouts of drought and famine. Residents say even through all the misery, they celebrate to give thanks for all they are grateful are. PHOTO: TOOBA MASOOD/EXPRESS



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It is the second day of Holi in Umerkot. PTI MNA Lal Malhi is receiving a stream of revellers at his home. Their hands fuschia, they are served lassi and plates of ghevar — crisp and sticky, these yellow noodle-thin strands are syrupy sweet. Chairs line the walls of a long reception area, leading the way to a high-backed leather armchair, the tallest chair in the room.


Malhi is perched on a chair next to this imposing seat — his face and hands a deep aubergine, his chest speckled with glitter, he’s trying not to colour all that he touches.

“People asked me today how they should celebrate,” he says, referring to the news of riots and the destruction of a temple in Larkana on Sunday, the first day of Holi. “The news from Larkana has left a weight on our hearts but we’re also thinking of all those families in the villages, those who have migrated, those who have lost their children.” Malhi told his constituents to celebrate as they always have, to give thanks for all they are grateful for. “Whatever happened yesterday or what happens today, Allah maalik hai,” he says. “There will be more bad times and more good times, but we should celebrate now without fear.”

He says celebrations have been affected by the situation in Thar. “Whenever there is a crisis of this sort in Pakistan, you have to remember that the first to be affected are children, women and the minority groups.” A journalist and human rights activist before he entered politics, Malhi has been keeping close tabs on how the situation in Thar has been reported. “Nothing has been reported wrong and nothing has been exaggerated — it’s just that this is the first time the national media has picked up the news,” he says.

He points out that the Sindhi language media has reported on the situation as it occurs every year. “Some are saying that this is not a big deal, it happens every year,” he says, “But the question getting lost in this discussion is — why does it happen every year? The Sindhi media cries about it every year, and every year they are ignored. If this is nothing new, then why is it nothing new?” If the annual migration of Thari families is ‘not new’, he adds, then why is that so? “Before 1947, they did not need to migrate in such large numbers,” he says, “There was an efficient system set up to provide for these families, which does not exist now.”

Villagers in Jageh jo Thar, a 10-minute drive from Mithi, say that they have received several visitors since news of the drought made front-page news, but all say they have not actually spoken with any journalists. “Photo nikaalnay bohot log aye,” says Taj Mohammed, referring not just to news photographers but to political leaders who flit from one location to the next, pausing for a handshake and a photo-call.

Sohni, who says she has forgotten how old she might be, speaks only a Sindhi dialect, but expertly trains her gaze towards the camera; the translator, a local, remarks, “Inn ki bohot movies bananay aatay hain.” A local journalist for a Sindhi-language newspaper, the translator says the tide of newsmen has stemmed over the last two days. He distinguishes between the coverage in print media and on television, saying that while those journalists writing for English-language newspapers prefer to remain in Mithi, television crews have made the trek to the district’s villages. Those who visit the villages, he says, have to contend not just with a language barrier, but with male members of the village who often insist on speaking on behalf of the women.

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As journalists from international and national organisations flocked to the district, he says they encountered a way of life alien to theirs — consider for instance that when you ask Sohni how she makes her livelihood, she shows you the bundles of twigs and sticks that she sells as firewood or bunches of leaves stripped from the village’s trees and sold to be used in fodder.

Ask her how much she charges per bundle and she looks confused. “Per bundle? However much I can fit on a cow’s back is sold for Rs200, what fits on a camel’s back is Rs300 and the amount I can carry on my head is sold for Rs40 to Rs50,” she explains. “There is a disconnect between the reality here and what is printed in the papers, between what the district reporters file and what the editors in their cities put together,” the translator says, “The media comes with their minds set about a story or they’ll file desk stories or find information online.”

The villagers say that it is not the drought that is the problem, but the process of distributing relief goods. Taj Mohammed says he has yet to receive any free-of-cost or subsidised wheat, as he waits on the village’s schoolmaster to compile a list of families in the village to submit to the authorities dispensing relief.

“Fair distribution is not possible,” feels MNA Lal Malhi. He contends that the government’s estimation of the number of drought-stricken families is incorrect. “If 100 bags of wheat are provided for a locality, you can assume that 30 will be provided to the MNA there — and he distributes it at his discretion,” he says. He points out that relief items from 2010’s drought have yet to be distributed.

The problem of misappropriated funds, however, has firmly entrenched roots. “If 75 per cent of funds allocated to medical or social work in any area in Pakistan is eaten up by government officials, imagine what happens to the small percentage of funds allotted to religious minorities,” says a local in Umerkot. “Go to Punjab,” he says, “The roads are made of glass there and here, in the district’s headquarters, the roads are terrible even inside the city.”

In Umerkot, Mithi and the villages encircling Mithi, there is little talk of the drought. The discussion inevitably veers towards problems that are only exacerbated by the drought. Ghansham Das, who maintains the Shiv mandir in Umerkot — the largest temple in a district of close to 100 mandirs — points out, “What is the problem here? We don’t have clean water. We aren’t a population of crores, it’s not impossible for the government or NGOs working in the area to give us access to clean water.” The water available is often tinged with chemicals or arsenic from fertilisers, he says, which leads to problems of gout in the area’s population.

While many point out the inaccuracies in the media’s depiction of the crisis, Malhi says such interest on a national level can only benefit the people of Thar. “One of the best things is that the media demands authenticity,” he says. “The authorities and officials in hospitals have had to provide updated figures or information for the media’s consumption and so this is the first time that the true nature of the crisis in Thar is being reported nationally.”

Published in The Express Tribune, March 23rd, 2014.
 
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