Coast Guard To Induct 38 More Aircraft By 2020

[Ankit Kumar]

Its not just some state police force for regional issues but central government agency purely for sake of National Security . And its not my idea either . Its already under consideration by highest level office of defence establishment.

Our coast could operate in combat situation when the need comes.

Check this out !!!

Patrol vessels (OPVs) armed with missiles.

"We have submitted a proposal to the Indian Navy that all the future OPVs should be developed with the missile on board. That will give more combat muscle to the vessel. If fitted with missile the pricing of the vessel goes up only by ten per cent," GSL's Chairman and Managing Director Rear Admiral (retd) Shekhar Mital told PTI


Armed Naval do228 would make massive defense impact in wartimes securing our waters while Navy focus on offensive . If couple of lightweight advanced ASW missiles can be mounted our doni fleet could act as force multipliers for our Navy.

@Ankit Kumar View attachment 292617

Check your own sentence. A proposal to " Navy ". I said that the naval OPVs will get some form of offensive weaponry. Not the Coast guard.

I would request you to have a look at the inventory of United States Coast Guard. They can be said to have the most capable coast guard, just like other arms of service. And check the weapons their ships carry. They don't carry more than a main naval gun, some heavy machine guns and one or two CIWS. And they have also taken part in wars which US fought. And they remained the same.

@Penguin and @Abingdonboy
They can explain it in a better way , that missiles on a coast guard will not leave the Coast guard, a coast guard.

 

[SRP]

Damn it the Saras must've been ready by now.

Saras project got canceled.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Check your own sentence. A proposal to " Navy ". I said that the naval OPVs will get some form of offensive weaponry. Not the Coast guard.

I would request you to have a look at the inventory of United States Coast Guard. They can be said to have the most capable coast guard, just like other arms of service. And check the weapons their ships carry. They don't carry more than a main naval gun, some heavy machine guns and one or two CIWS. And they have also taken part in wars which US fought. And they remained the same.

@Penguin and @Abingdonboy
They can explain it in a better way , that missiles on a coast guard will not leave the Coast guard, a coast guard.

cool

 

[Penguin]

The thing in India is that you have OPVs in service in both the Coast Guard and the Navy. Some, but not all, are variants of the same basic ship design. Variantion may extend to armaments.

Compare e.g.
Samarth-class offshore patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saryu-class patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compare e.g.
Samar-class offshore patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sukanya-class patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And I'm sure if you look at smaller craft, you find additional related CG and Navy designs.

The Indian Armed Forces are the military forces of the Republic of India. It consists of three professional uniformed services: the Indian Army, Indian Navy, and Indian Air Force. Additionally, the Indian Armed Forces are supported by three paramilitary organisations (Assam Rifles, Indian Coast Guard and Special Frontier Force) and various inter-service institutions such as the Strategic Forces Command.
Indian Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Indian Coast Guard was formally established on 18 August 1978 by the Coast Guard Act, 1978 of the Parliament of India as an independent Armed force of India. It operates under the Ministry of Defence. The Coast Guard works in close cooperation with the Indian Navy, the Department of Fisheries, the Department of Revenue (Customs) and the Central and State police forces.
Indian Coast Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Historically it is not uncommon for Coast Guard ships to be uparmed in time of war. Some designs are even pre-fitted for this (e.g. UK/RN Castle class OPVs now in service with BN) i.e. "fitted for, but not with". It is also not uncommon to see variations of a design specifically for navy and coast guard (see above for IN), or for different naval tasks (see e.g. Italian navy Comandanti class versus Sirio class) or export (Turkey CG Dost class).

Some USCG ships where armed much like frigate e.g. the USCG Hamilton class right after their FRAM refit (Reagan years): 76mm, Phalanx CIWS, 2x triple ASW torpedo tubes, 2x4 Harpoon and associated surveillance and targeting sensors. The new National Security cutter has a 57mm Bofors gun and Phalanx, but could easily accommodate a mk56 vlu with 12 ESSM and some Harpoon or NSM antiship missiles. See Patrol frigate proposals by Huntington Ingalls (PF4501, PF4921).

 

[Ankit Kumar]

The thing in India is that you have OPVs in service in both the Coast Guard and the Navy. Some, but not all, are variants of the same basic ship design. Variantion may extend to armaments.

Compare e.g.
Samarth-class offshore patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saryu-class patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compare e.g.
Samar-class offshore patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sukanya-class patrol vessel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And I'm sure if you look at smaller craft, you find additional related CG and Navy designs.

The Indian Armed Forces are the military forces of the Republic of India. It consists of three professional uniformed services: the Indian Army, Indian Navy, and Indian Air Force. Additionally, the Indian Armed Forces are supported by three paramilitary organisations (Assam Rifles, Indian Coast Guard and Special Frontier Force) and various inter-service institutions such as the Strategic Forces Command.
Indian Armed Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Indian Coast Guard was formally established on 18 August 1978 by the Coast Guard Act, 1978 of the Parliament of India as an independent Armed force of India. It operates under the Ministry of Defence. The Coast Guard works in close cooperation with the Indian Navy, the Department of Fisheries, the Department of Revenue (Customs) and the Central and State police forces.
Indian Coast Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Historically it is not uncommon for Coast Guard ships to be uparmed in time of war. Some designs are even pre-fitted for this (e.g. UK/RN Castle class OPVs now in service with BN) i.e. "fitted for, but not with". It is also not uncommon to see variations of a design specifically for navy and coast guard (see above for IN), or for different naval tasks (see e.g. Italian navy Comandanti class versus Sirio class) or export (Turkey CG Dost class).

Some USCG ships where armed much like frigate e.g. the USCG Hamilton class right after their FRAM refit (Reagan years): 76mm, Phalanx CIWS, 2x triple ASW torpedo tubes, 2x4 Harpoon and associated surveillance and targeting sensors. The new National Security cutter has a 57mm Bofors gun and Phalanx, but could easily accommodate a mk56 vlu with 12 ESSM and some Harpoon or NSM antiship missiles. See Patrol frigate proposals by Huntington Ingalls (PF4501, PF4921).

How does optimisation and cost weighs into it.
I mean that a coast guard large cutter is built with a primary objective to undertake long to very long enducrance patrols while completing a very wide variety of tasks .

About the legend class , are they fitted for some missile systems?

Naval guns, CIWS and heavy machine guns are a must for a big patrol ship in today's environment of asymmetric threats.

How does installation of Anti Submarine Warfare capability will help? I mean, according to me the addition of such systems will only hinder the primary tasks for which a large cutter is built.

Also one question which I wanted to ask, given a situation of tensions flaring up and a clear indication of war to follow, which will require less time, 1. Fitting VLS cells or 2. Simply placing the quadruple launchers in case the missile is BrahMos.?

 

[Burninspice]

Only 38, considering the ageing fleet of ships that Coast Guard need to be decommissioned, is that number really enough?

 

[Penguin]

How does optimisation and cost weighs into it.
I mean that a coast guard large cutter is built with a primary objective to undertake long to very long enducrance patrols while completing a very wide variety of tasks .

Generally Coast Guard ships have far better endurance but limited speed, which makes them unsuitable for e.g. escort roles in a carrier group. But they could well accompany slower ship e.g. LPDs or supply vessels (AORs) as escorts. So, they would free up higher end units from those duties. And pose group independent 'first response' units.

About the legend class , are they fitted for some missile systems?

It alrady has military EW/ESM/ECM gear

Electronic warfare & decoys:

• AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare System
• 2 SRBOC/ 2 x NULKA countermeasures chaff/rapid decoy launcher

And military Armament:

• 1 × Bofors 57 mm gun and Gunfire Control System
• 1 × 20 mm Close-In Weapons System

An instant missile solution would be to replace Phalanx with SeaRam. Plug and play. Next park some deck-launched Harpoon or NSM forward of the bridge. Plug and play.

Also, look just behind the 57mm cannon. What's that square hatch for, if not a place to insert a VLS? Compare to where Mk56 VLS for ESSM is on the proposed PF4921 at Patrol Frigate Concepts from Huntington Ingalls Industries Gain Traction Internationally | Defense Media Network However, simply putting in a VLS doesn't solve the problem of missile control / target illumination. A mast modification with e.g. Ceafar/Ceamount would be required to solves the surveillance and firecontrol radar issues. This is not too complicated, but still a modification.

Alternatively, one could stick 4-6 single Mk41 cells there, quadpacked with Ram Block 2
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/naval-launchers-and-munitions.html

How does installation of Anti Submarine Warfare capability will help? I mean, according to me the addition of such systems will only hinder the primary tasks for which a large cutter is built.

But for the installation of a sonar, the main ASW gear would be the helicopters. Any ASW torpedo tubes take up very little room. PF4921 has only a single set of triple tubes at the stern.

Also one question which I wanted to ask, given a situation of tensions flaring up and a clear indication of war to follow, which will require less time, 1. Fitting VLS cells or 2. Simply placing the quadruple launchers in case the missile is BrahMos.?

Brahmos is very large and heavy. Either VLS or decklaunchers would take up considerable space and weight. A smaller decklaunched missile e.g. KH35 would be more appropriate for an OPV.

The Legend class really is a large ship (4600 tons) and has frigate style propulsion. With GTus

 

[thesolar65]

Damn it the Saras must've been ready by now.

But I heard in January that Govt has given a quite burial to NAL Saras Project!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

But how did you forget about Ka226 under process. It will replace our large fleet of outdated LUH . Our HAL'S LUH and especially the intent and phase looks promising.

I'll beleive it when I see it.

We will be broke in few years if you became our PM or DM or FM All your choice of weapon platforms are heavily priced. Sadly we don't have any other options for heavy duty choppers

Haha, I don't think so, the billions being returned to the Fin MIn in unspent funds would become a thing of the past. But if possible I would make sure that defence spending was pegged at 2-2.5% of GDP for the forseeable future, not this silly 1.78%.

Also, my prescriptions would save hundreds of millions of USD in the long run- pooled procurements and common platforms would cut down the absurd amount of inefficency that is going on within the MoD.

Am sure our few new CG vessels are about to get amred with missiles in the future. But air power quick response is not possible. So very good news indeed. Fist line of defence during peace time must be fail proof. So rats can't infiltrate!!!

This is not going to happen. The ICG are a police/law enforcement agency, not a military. All CGs around the world are "lightly" armed (even the USCG), it is the job of navies to house such offensive weaponary. Arming these patrol boats with missiles would be massively cost prohibitive and entirely needless. The reason the ICG is being expanded at such a rate is because it doesn't need to fit such complex and expensive systems like missiles to its boats. Once the ICG is of sufficent strength the IN will be released from coastal protection duties and will be able to project power with all their weaponary, giving the ICG such weaponary would undermine this eventual goal.