COAS visited Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra.

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Agreed. 7-18 does not makes sense even if we speculate the digit 7 for Block-III which warrants the question as where are rest of 17 frames making it to 718?

So, it is like Block-2 in Production (2P) which will be 71st of total Block-2s configuration. 2P-71B. 71st Air Craft of total Block-2 and this one is B Version of the same Block-II. As soon as ready for operation, we might see 19-607 or 605 or 606 but something like.

Do you think this 71st aircraft will eventually be re-numbered in the 600 series once inducted as opposed to something like 19-271?

Do we know what the production numbers for 601-604 were? Like, were they something like 2P-67B, 2P-68B, 2P-69B and 2P-70B?

 

[Gryphon]

2P-71B is more logical as we know 8 JF-17B were planned to be produced in this year and we have already seen the pic of 2P-62 in PAC in a TV programme on-air in the month of September which mean either one more single seats is produced i.e. 2P-63 or 9 dual seats are produced this years against the planned number of 8 dual seat
Either :
62 (single seat version) + 9 (dual seat version) = 71
OR
63 (single seat version)+ 8 (dual seat version as planned) = 71

2P-71B is still in assembly, will probably have FCFs in 2020 and eventually the serials 20-609.

7th JF-17 squadron was to be raised by end of 2019, chatter is new unit at Chaklala - lets see if it gets the 8× JF-17B Block IIs with all the emphasis on indigenous SOW's.

 

[Tipu7]

Few interesting screenshots from the video

2P-718
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As far as we Know serial number of B version starts with 6 like 601,602, 603,604, but here it's not only start with 7 but also indicating that 17 other examples are already produced, with 2P nomenclature it is blk-II version ...

That's the 7th Jf17b currently in final phase of production line.
PAC will be completing production of 8 Jf17b by end of this year.

 

[Amavous]

All this reminded me of my high school maths teacher who tried to convince us that we should take "Pre-Engineering" in college. He said that you will find mathematics in all and strangest places in life so maths is the only subject worth studying.

Now, look at this a visit from COAS turning into an algebra class .

 

[The Eagle]

Do you think this 71st aircraft will eventually be re-numbered in the 600 series once inducted as opposed to something like 19-271?

Do we know what the production numbers for 601-604 were? Like, were they something like 2P-67B, 2P-68B, 2P-69B and 2P-70B?

Look at it this way. 7th B Version of Block-II configuration which will total at 71 ACs of Block-II. So, it can be 19-607 in the end and if we are looking at total of Block-II either A or B version then, it may be the 71st among all of them.

So, designated such as 19-607 will specify 7th A/C of Block-B from the production year 2019 and we are looking at PAC numbers V/s PAF Serial Numbering.
PAC = Block-2 Production (2P) 71st in total produced and this B (71B)
PAF = 19-607 (19 for the year, 6 for the B version & 7th of total dual seater).

Just trying to guess much close to actual numbering.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Look at it this way. 7th B Version of Block-II configuration which will total at 71 ACs of Block-II. So, it can be 19-607 in the end and if we are looking at total of Block-II either A or B version then, it may be the 71st among all of them.

So, designated such as 19-607 will specify 7th A/C of Block-B from the production year 2019 and we are looking at PAC numbers V/s PAF Serial Numbering.
PAC = Block-2 Production (2P) 71st in total produced and this B (71B)
PAF = 19-607 (19 for the year, 6 for the B version & 7th of total dual seater).

Just trying to guess much close to actual numbering.

It does make more sense. I was under the impression maybe they're producing multiple B versions.

So, PAF will have at least 71 Block-2s on top of 50 Block-1s.

That's 121 aircraft so far.

Top that up with 16 more for Myanmar and 3 for Nigeria, that'll be at least 90 Block-2s produced.

Overall total from both Blocks = 140 JF-17 Thunders

 

[StormBreaker]

Look at it this way. 7th B Version of Block-II configuration which will total at 71 ACs of Block-II. So, it can be 19-607 in the end and if we are looking at total of Block-II either A or B version then, it may be the 71st among all of them.

So, designated such as 19-607 will specify 7th A/C of Block-B from the production year 2019 and we are looking at PAC numbers V/s PAF Serial Numbering.
PAC = Block-2 Production (2P) 71st in total produced and this B (71B)
PAF = 19-607 (19 for the year, 6 for the B version & 7th of total dual seater).

Just trying to guess much close to actual numbering.

You are spot on... No better explanation than that. I guess, PAC has their own system of numbering production aircraft. If this is the first B pic from KAMRA, then in future we may find similarities in B production model be it block 3 or 2. Such as let’s say, if 2 Block 3 singles are produced next year, but as ACM(?) or someone mentioned that a TOTAL OF BLOCK 3 in 2020 will be just 2/3, so production of Block 2 B will still go on. And what if all B ordered are actually Block 2? Then we might see 2P-73B or if a block 3B starts production next year then 3P-03B !!!

All images of dual seater in production uptil now were i guess from CAC, that’s why China used their own system such as BC0001.

 

[Trailer23]

This is the most High Res image I could get off the .net which isn't a Screen Grab from a video. It is slightly different from the image @HRK posted (earlier), however, it too is of 1280x720 pixels.

1. To me it reads: 2P-71B
2. I don't know anything about it being a Block II, but its certainly a B-Variant (2 Seater) based on the angle of the Vertical Stabilizer*.

*The rudder on the conventional Block I & II is 90°. However, for the B-Variant its more like 60°.

I know this topic is COAS related, but the entire conversation is clearly Air Force (JF-17) related. Perhaps it should be moved to the Air Force section.

@HRK @The Eagle @Haris Ali2140 @Path-Finder @StormBreaker @Starlord @JamD @Windjammer @Pakhtoon yum @Gryphon @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @PakShaheen79 @khanasifm @Tipu7

 

[StormBreaker]

This is the most High Res image I could get off the .net which isn't a Screen Grab from a video. It is slightly different from the image @HRK posted (earlier), however, it too is of 1280x720 pixels.

1. To me it reads: 2P-71B
2. I don't know anything about it being a Block II, but its certainly a B-Variant (2 Seater) based on the angle of the Vertical Stabilizer*.

*The rudder on the conventional Block I & II is 90°. However, for the B-Variant its more like 60°.

View attachment 593765

I know this topic is COAS related, but the entire conversation is clearly Air Force (JF-17) related. Perhaps it should be moved to the Air Force section.

@HRK @The Eagle @Haris Ali2140 @Path-Finder @StormBreaker @Starlord @JamD @Windjammer @Pakhtoon yum @Gryphon @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @PakShaheen79 @khanasifm @Tipu7

Ohh, now that you have mentioned it, just noticed COAS and DGISPR in the pic

Buddy, we get excited simple... Block 3 has teased us for years, and yet “Ghoonghat nai uthraha abhi tak”.

This is the most High Res image I could get off the .net which isn't a Screen Grab from a video. It is slightly different from the image @HRK posted (earlier), however, it too is of 1280x720 pixels.

1. To me it reads: 2P-71B
2. I don't know anything about it being a Block II, but its certainly a B-Variant (2 Seater) based on the angle of the Vertical Stabilizer*.

*The rudder on the conventional Block I & II is 90°. However, for the B-Variant its more like 60°.

View attachment 593765

I know this topic is COAS related, but the entire conversation is clearly Air Force (JF-17) related. Perhaps it should be moved to the Air Force section.

@HRK @The Eagle @Haris Ali2140 @Path-Finder @StormBreaker @Starlord @JamD @Windjammer @Pakhtoon yum @Gryphon @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @PakShaheen79 @khanasifm @Tipu7

Ohh, btw, if you notice on the left most side of B, there is a space empty with all the optic cables. Is that supposed to be for fuel tank or OBOGS ? Since the second pilot space is still far away from there

 

[HRK]

This is the most High Res image I could get off the .net which isn't a Screen Grab from a video. It is slightly different from the image @HRK posted (earlier), however, it too is of 1280x720 pixels.

1. To me it reads: 2P-71B
2. I don't know anything about it being a Block II, but its certainly a B-Variant (2 Seater) based on the angle of the Vertical Stabilizer*.

*The rudder on the conventional Block I & II is 90°. However, for the B-Variant its more like 60°.

View attachment 593765

I know this topic is COAS related, but the entire conversation is clearly Air Force (JF-17) related. Perhaps it should be moved to the Air Force section.

@HRK @The Eagle @Haris Ali2140 @Path-Finder @StormBreaker @Starlord @JamD @Windjammer @Pakhtoon yum @Gryphon @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @PakShaheen79 @khanasifm @Tipu7

it is clear that its 2P-71B ....

and the guy who took this screenshot did a good job by enhancing the contrast of the pic ....

 

[Trailer23]

Difference in Vertical Stabilizer between the BlockI/II & the B-Variant (pretty obvious)

The other thing is that the Chinese don't have any Serial Numbers on JF-17's produced by AVIC/CATIC.

Finally, if a B-variant has a the Refueling Probe, does it it make it a: JF-17B (Block II)?

 

[Tipu7]

This is the most High Res image I could get off the .net which isn't a Screen Grab from a video. It is slightly different from the image @HRK posted (earlier), however, it too is of 1280x720 pixels.

1. To me it reads: 2P-71B
2. I don't know anything about it being a Block II, but its certainly a B-Variant (2 Seater) based on the angle of the Vertical Stabilizer*.

*The rudder on the conventional Block I & II is 90°. However, for the B-Variant its more like 60°.

View attachment 593765

I know this topic is COAS related, but the entire conversation is clearly Air Force (JF-17) related. Perhaps it should be moved to the Air Force section.

@HRK @The Eagle @Haris Ali2140 @Path-Finder @StormBreaker @Starlord @JamD @Windjammer @Pakhtoon yum @Gryphon @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @PakShaheen79 @khanasifm @Tipu7

Serial: 2P-71B
2P = Block 2 - Production
71B = 71st Unit - Bravo

Simple mathematics:
Total Block 2 produced by 2019 end: 72
50 (Blk2) + 14 (surplus Blk2 batch) + 7 (Bravo)
Eighth Bravo is also in final production line thus totalling 72 Blk 2 Thunders.

Combine the total with 50 Blk1 and minus 2 crashes, there will be 120 Jf17 Thunders operational in PAF in coming month.

 

[TsAr]

2P-71B is still in assembly, will probably have FCFs in 2020 and eventually the serials 20-609.

7th JF-17 squadron was to be raised by end of 2019, chatter is new unit at Chaklala - lets see if it gets the 8× JF-17B Block IIs with all the emphasis on indigenous SOW's.

Indigenous SOW for Jf-17 already being worked on...

 

[StormBreaker]

Serial: 2P-71B
2P = Block 2 - Production
71B = 71st Unit - Bravo

Simple mathematics:
Total Block 2 produced by 2019 end: 72
50 (Blk2) + 14 (surplus Blk2 batch) + 7 (Bravo)
Eighth Bravo is also in final production line thus totalling 72 Blk 2 Thunders.

Combine the total with 50 Blk1 and minus 2 crashes, there will be 120 Jf17 Thunders operational in PAF in coming month.

Will 2B continue production in 2020 or will 3B take the throne ?

 

[Tipu7]

Will 2B continue production in 2020 or will 3B take the throne ?

PAC will produce 26 Bravo in total.