Clash between Armenia, Azerbaijan forces leaves seven Armenian soldiers dead

[Hurshid Celebi]

ATATÜRK was 100% muslim and only Allah (CC) gave him the Power and Genious MIND to free TÜRKIYE !

@Goenitz @Oscar

 

[Goenitz]

ATATÜRK was 100% muslim and only Allah (CC) gave him the Power and Genious MIND to free TÜRKIYE !

@Goenitz @Oscar

and about mosque control ? who control speech/sermon. "Khutba" of imam .? who appoint imam? who give course/text/literature of mosque students ?

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

and about mosque control ? who control speech/sermon. "Khutba" of imam .? who appoint imam? who give course/text/literature of mosque students ?

Listen also the President. He speaks from SECULARIZM .

Like Atatürk did . Listen or let it translate.

Secularizm and being religious is not a conflict !

 

[madmusti]

Yes we are all islamists... and terrorists are terrorists.. hv u ever heard any christian terrorists labeled as "Christianist"

@Oscar
i think attaturk secular policies, didn't leave room for religious parties to pollute country politics/policies/education with "made up" and politicized teaching of Islam. Turk being good muslim are result of on their own effort. Point is you can't make people secular or religious by force. Just political absence of religious parties, didn't distort islam.

Plus state control's mosque in turkey. pakistan mosque's are funds oriented and subjected to people opinion orientation/mood.

any turk member can verify that on attaturk grave that its written "Fatihah is not allowed" i heard that but couldn't find on internet. @madmusti

@Goenitz WTF with "Fatihah is not allowed" should you heard ? Can you ever imagine that BS like that can even exist ?

Maybe an "Turk" but not any "turkish".

Did you was there ? I never found something like that.

About that state control mosque etc. Maybe you look a little on the Global what is not really controlled but in Turkey those are in good Way controlled like not a Fanatics in some foreign Countries with Dreams of cutting heads.

@madmusti

Do you know what my AVATAR is ? Whom it was donated ?

And ? Are you not the One "lets us remove anything that is arabic" ? This Arabic it doesn´t matter whoms is donated evens it Atatürk if you mention "remove anything arabic".

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Goenitz WTF with "Fatihah is not allowed" should you heard ? Can you ever imagine that BS like that can even exist ?

Maybe an "Turk" but not any "turkish".

Did you was there ? I never found something like that.

About that state control mosque etc. Maybe you look a little on the Global what is not really controlled but in Turkey those are in good Way controlled like not a Fanatics in some foreign Countries with Dreams of cutting heads.



And ? Are you not the One "lets us remove anything that is arabic" ? This Arabic it doesn´t matter whoms is donated evens it Atatürk if you mention "remove anything arabic".

It is not Arabic ! It is Ottoman and aTUGRA before "HARF DEVRIMI" ! Come on write what it is it and Show your historic knowledge !

 

[madmusti]

It is not Arabic ! It is Ottoman and aTUGRA before "HARF DEVRIMI" ! Come on write what it is it and Show your historic knowledge !

Those Arabic letters. "Turkic" letters are different and we are currently using "Latin" letters from Romans.

 

[TrMhMt]

and about mosque control ? who control speech/sermon. "Khutba" of imam .? who appoint imam? who give course/text/literature of mosque students ?

ehehehe

This dude thinks none controls those things at his own country except Turkiye.

Bro wake up religion is the most important tool for governments to control people same like your country and your governments have been doing this since the beginning.

The problem is controlling it in good way or bad way. Ataturk was doing for the sake of people unlike your country and the other so-called Islamic states. Even current akp government does this and i am a witness of it. And they do it for their own sake not for people.

Don't try to sell those bs blahh bllaaahh here we Turks will not buy it.

Your blaah blaahhh are the same blaahh blllaaaahh of stereotype people who call themselves "religious".

Thats why Turkiye has no extremist dump-*** so-called "muslims" unlike the other so-called islamic states. This thing has been changing since akp gov. in power but whatever we Turks will be same sane and muslims who are mentioned by Islam.

 

[madmusti]

They only Control in Turkey was that no one should use Religion economic or Politic for his own advantages.

Someone has told about that and get for a time into a Prison in his own State.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Politics is strictly forbidden ! STOP IT ! Nothing to do with the thread !

@Hakan

 

[madmusti]

Politics is strictly forbidden ! STOP IT ! Nothing to do with the thread !

@Hakan

Daha dünkü çocuk değilsin bile bize burda ağalık mı taslıyorsun ?

Look at the Topics Titles, it´s even enough to provocate. It is of course a Political Title.

 

[rmi5]

I don't know what kind of Azeri's you have met, but I find it very hard to believe that they would side with arabs against Turkey. That is 1 of the most ridiculous things I have read on this forum.

Azeri's are one of the least religious people in the world according to several researchers of which I can not find a source right now. They have no significant cultural or ethnical ties to arabs, have a sizable Jewish Azeri community who have no problems with anti-semitism. So how do you see azeris fighting against Turkey exactly?

And judging by your last sentences I'm guessing you are some kind of islamist.

Fortunately, Islam was pretty much removed from Azerbaijan during USSR. If someone asks me what has been the most positive contribution of USSR to Azerbaijan, I will name this as the most positive one. To understand the extent of it, I can tell you something real and funny. During visit of minister of culture of Azerbaijan(Abulfaz Garayev) to Iran, Iranian minister told him about greatness of Abbas(Son of Ali whose epithet was "Abolfazl(Abulfaz)"). Then, Azerbaijani miniter said, Who was Abbas?
@madmusti though, is right about one thing and is wrong about another. There are really no two brethren nations in the world, only interests exists. These nice words are just for guiding common people when alliance with some country is needed. He is wrong to think that Azerbaijan will team up with Arabs against Turkey. It's not gonna happen.
But, there is another point as well. As I have said before, as long as Turkey does not look everything with a religious glass, we can be friends, but when you choose a religious glass, then Azerbaijan suddenly becomes an "untrustworthy rifidhi shia" country.

 

[Ahiska]

Blood is thicker then religion.

 

[Timur]

you all fuckw the thread up.. all are diggin in little small things wich would absolutly be no problem if you would stop diggin..

 

[Goenitz]

Bro wake up religion is the most important tool for governments to control people same like your country a

religion may be the tool, but is not controlled by Government. Religious parties and large religious trust (like NGO) center control religion "guidelines".

The problem is controlling it in good way or bad way. Ataturk was doing for the sake of people unlike your country and the other so-called Islamic states.

i said teh same at my post #10 and then i give another example of Malasiya at post #13. Why actually these both countries are successful controlling Sectarian issues

Don't try to sell those bs blahh bllaaahh here we Turks will not buy it.

I am not enforcing anything or any doctrine on you. I prefer religion own or collective choice and in that government should ease public following religion and government shouldn't not force them to "what to do..." thing.

 

[xenon54 out]

and about mosque control ? who control speech/sermon. "Khutba" of imam .? who appoint imam? who give course/text/literature of mosque students ?

The state controls it, it makes sure no hate/extremism get preached in mosques, it makes sure imams dont marry underage people, it makes sure that the religion is being practiced within law and order.
This practice was the only way to stop religious extremism which is a good thing, thats exactly what other muslim countires need to do to end their misery.
What do you think why salafism could spread almost everwhere in muslim wold and even in Europe but not in the secular ruled Muslim countries?