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Well I think if we are ready to hand Guns to local citizens than they should form teams and should take round in their areas. Secondly a new person which people start seeing often should be investigated by local people. People of specefic colony should keep record of those living in their society and those who take a house on rent and also of labour working in the area. People should be trained on How to interview a suspicious person without making him realize that he can be in trouble and also on How to check suspicious car or bike or packet or other things. Finally weekly meeting between local police and civil defence team of society or the town.
I personally believe that question here being asked is not about How we are going to run this program, but how we are going to structure it......
We need to define the hierarchy and structure of the organization here first.....How and who are they going to select the individual s for the program
 
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I personally believe that question here being asked is not about How we are going to run this program, but how we are going to structure it......
We need to define the hierarchy and structure of the organization here first.....How and who are they going to select the individual s for the program
Well I think as for selecting persons. Well their should be interview and physical tests conducted. Those who have knowledge or experience of matters related to security should be preferred .
 
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But sir, i was under the impression that you wanted the Team to be in contact with Senior Officials rather than the local SHO.......if it is to be done then it will take us back to square one, Individuals trying to over throw the Police authority in the area.........also consider the fact that someone whonis well respected in the community would not like to deal with SHO on routine basis, especially when that sho is barelly inter pass.

To ensure there is no one with Political influence, you can go with your standard vetting by Special branch.....i know it seems impractical but i don't see it otherwise
They wont have any interaction with the SHO. There is no overthrowing police authority, these people are to have little or no interaction with the police other than reporting any misuse of police or harassment.
 
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They wont have any interaction with the SHO. There is no overthrowing police authority, these people are to have little or no interaction with the police other than reporting any misuse of police or harassment.
Sir that's impossible to do. We have to train people for civil defence but Police also has to be changed. Otherwise even civil defence would fail.
 
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Sir that's impossible to do. We have to train people for civil defence but Police also has to be changed. Otherwise even civil defence would fail.
Nothing happens overnight, and this initiative goes parallel to the police and has a different authority structure to it.
 
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Nothing happens overnight, and this initiative goes parallel to the police and has a different authority structure to it.
I know that Sir but we have to take first step. But it would be impossible to keep civil defence and Police force totally seperate with no interaction between them.
 
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Sir that's impossible to do. We have to train people for civil defence but Police also has to be changed. Otherwise even civil defence would fail.
You are not getting what is being asked here ---- this Program is for Incident Reporting only ---- they are not First Responders, they will report to higher officials, so handing over the Guns & NCC based training is out of the window here ------
 
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You are not getting what is being asked here ---- this Program is for Incident Reporting only ---- they are not First Responders, they will report to higher officials, so handing over the Guns & NCC based training is out of the window here ------
Sir Oscar is suggesting they would no interaction with Police so to who else a person will report incident too ?
 
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Sir Oscar is suggesting they would no interaction with Police so to who else a person will report incident too ?
As the title says - Civil Defense, i believe they will operate under Civil Defense directorate.......either with they will be reporting to Local Administration office or the Provincial Home department......they will go parallel to city Police......
 
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This setup will bypass the police entirely. The core focus is to not have ANY candidates with political affiliations.
Sir there is no way you find any person in Pakistan without political affiliations, just foe example when we vote for someone eventually we support his/her party anyway. This will create more mess and proved disastrous for Police turn into political offices of different parties which will creates more rifts in the society. it is better hire CID civilians means they work for money with some basic trainings and background checks.
Even we can't ignore / deny religious affiliations which are far stronger than political.
 
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@Oscar

My first suggestion is that first you will need to register the organisation and seek legal help to ensure smooth running of this outfit since it will be interacting with all sorts of people, government organisation and sensitive incidents.

With focus majorly on Terrorism and Crime, Basic Services that your CIVIL Defense Organisation should be able to give:

1. Reporting
2. Rescue and Evacuation (during and after incident)
3. Medical (Basic First AID)
4. Psychological (Rehab)
5. Awareness

REPORTING:

The Reporting teams have certain areas under their responsibility. They report to a team leader. They physically live in or around or near their area of responsibility. They know the activities scheduled (whether political/government/semi government) in their areas They are the EYES and EARS of organisation on the ground. They are vigilantes and they are usually looking for:
1. suspicious people
2. suspicious activity
3. suspicious vehicles
4.fire
5.accidents
6. marches and protests
7.smoke
etc


Suggested Team per Area:
1 X team leader
5 X members

Preferred personnel are students of journalism.

Rescue and Evacuation
The R and E is your main task force of volunteers. They are trained to handle all sorts of crisis situations. They are motivated to serve humanity. They know basic know how and common sense of handling dangersous situations with the motto of SAFETY First.
They know how to interact with shocked, distressed, displaced, injured (even deadbodies) people and not afraid of entering bombed buildings, half collapsed building, flooded area, contaminated areas etc They need to be trained in helping victims of:
1. Accidents
2. Fire
3. earthquake
4. Disease
5. Floods
etc etc

Suggested Team:
1 X Team Leader (35+ years age)
10 X Team (8 gents and 2 ladies ,since ladies can handle affected ladies easily without any fingers pointed in out culture)

First AID qualification is preferred

Equipment:
1 X 12 seater Van
11 X Safety helmet/safety boots/torches
Loud speaker
communication devices
etc


Medical
Preferred to leave this task to EDHI or other ambulance services, however if a dedicated medical team is required, then even first AID qualified personnel can carry this out since hiring doctors and nurses will be expensive along with ambulances. Secondly, team should give first aid till the ambulances from EDHI etc arrive. If R and E Team is First Aid Qualified then you dont need a dedicated medical team.

Psychological
The organizations personnel in the crisis areas will be dealing with all kinds of psychologically affected and traumatised people. These people may need professional help at some stage. The organisation must have qualified people in this sector who can soothe down affected people either through religion or psychological motivation.Hiring a psychologist for site visit is not required.
I would however recommend a Molvi as people in pakistan depend on Islam for every problem. The molvi can in simple words, ayats, surats recitations keep them motivated and their spirits uplifted.

Personnel:

1 X Molvi

Equipment:
1 X Koran
Buy him a CD-70 (kidding)

Awareness


This team has two purposes.

1.Spreading awareness in Public
2. Marketing your organisation (people should know such civil defense organisation exists to serve them)

This team goes to schools, colleges, unis, private organisations, houses and colonies in all suburbs to spread awareness about Civil Defense. They stand at shopping malls and eating outlets with pamphlets to spread the name of your organisation.

Personnel:

You cane use same resources of Reporting Team.


Organization:

1.Information Department and Control Room
This is where the shift head sits and all decisions are made. The shift head gets reports from Team leads in the field, makes decision and coordinates with higher ups of the organisation. All the conversations of this room are recorded and decisions documented. It is open 24/7.

2. Planning Department
This department focuses on short comings in any current or previous incident response and then makes new strategies and policies to handle future incidents in best possible manner. This is the nucleus of the organisation which is constantly involving. The members of this department are in contact with similar organisations throughout the world to capitalise on shared experiences.

3. Training Department
As the name suggests, the instructors impart full training to new volunteers. preferred instructors are retired army personnel or civil defense retirees.

4. HR Department
Interviews and hires new volunteers. Handles all HR issues

5. Administrative Department
handles all Clerical, budget, accounting, finance, legal issues.

For Citizens band Radio, its best that you contact FAB (frequency allocation board) and check for available frequencies that you can use. I have opened up a FAB Pakistan document but the mentioning of frequencies allotted towards Citizens Band Radio is missing. Generally, The CB service has an authorized 40 channels between 26.965 MHz and 27.405 MHz.
You will also have to check if a License is required or not, usually CB operation does not require a license, and (unlike amateur radio) as it may be used for business or personal communications.
Once you get to know the frequency spectrum, you can buy or lease communication equipment designed to operate on those frequencies.
Its not a complicated system and very easy to install and use.
 
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For selection of the right candidate for the job, the concerned authority will have to do little digging in the particular areas -----
they will need to look at people who would want the city to changer the most, people who are really tired of current sadistic state of affairs ---- I am not going to suggest to get services of University or college students, though they are very proactive and passionate, but they still lack that maturity, at times they will act in haste or their judgement will clogged by the emotions ----- someone with mature mindset and maturity to handle critical situations is what is going to be needed ---- also consider a fact that in a hot zone i will be more worried about a youth standing in corner with a mobile phone, who will be more of threat to me then someone in their 30s / 40s.

1) one party to look into will be senior University lecturers / Professors, they are the ones who interact with all kind of people, both at their jobs as well as in their area of residence, they will be less influence by the political parties ----
if we look at the recent cases, some of the attackers have been graduates of renowned institutions in the country, it will be a joke to say that some extremist behavior went unnoticed by the Faculty ----- they interact with all lot of students, be it from their department or not.
 
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bumping it up to see where we stand and see if we can get support from others
Please keep it in mind, this set up is supported by Govt & people will be working under Authorities ----- the scope of work is Law & Order situation , do not confuse it with Civil Defense service (Fire & Rescue"
 
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It is really saddening, we all like to discuss problems in our country so much and now that an opportunity is provided to present a solution, not many have come forward ---- :(
The most disappointing moment for me was when i was sitting in a group of my close friends, one being a prominent lawyer, a Captain from Army, a Petroleum Engineer & an IT Research officer from MoD ---- we all discussed the problems with so much passion ----i threw in a ball and raised this topic with them and they all back down ----- idk, should I be angry or feel ashamed over such state of affairs ----
 
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@Oscar, about topic, i have looked into one program initiated by London MPS - they called this program "Muslim Contact Unit"
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further studying can be done on https://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/pais/people/aldrich/vigilant/policinguncertainty.pdf

read from Page 10 onwards
 
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