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Greetings,

Recently I was requested by particular authorities in a city in Pakistan to help setup a proper civil defense service in lieu of the threat of terrorism and crime. The eventual goal is to have a group of citizen's interlinked via Civil Band radios and in direct touch with senior officials to report incidents, provide first look in case of lack of LE in an incident area & provide oversight of LE performance.

The civilians selected for this program are to be from various areas including professionals(Doctors, engineers etc) or retired military. As a prerequisite, any individual known or suspected of any political connections will not be considered.

I would appreciate any assistance in terms of organizational setup of such a force and how the Civil Band radio system could be setup.
Suggestions from all would be appreciated including those from other nations based on their ideas and experiences for Civil Defense.
@Joe Shearer @Desertfalcon @third eye @jhungary


Be advised, I am only requesting positive contributions and suggestions. Any needless pessimism without possible remedies or solutions( as certain members in PDF exist for) will be immediately deleted and the user banned from this thread.

 
Will respond shortly after return to H'bad.
 
@Oscar A good initiative. Allow me while to respond.
 
Oscar, if I may ask what will be the scope of this organization?
If I may add, a similar committee was set up in Islamabad with same goal but eventually ended up being failed. People misused the authority, especially Real Estate agents, who for their personal gains,used the affiliation to get things done by the Police.
For this Committee, selected individuals were given a Mobile number for reporting suspicious activity by calling or sending an SMS.
If we want to get something out of this program than following should be acted upon at minimum:

- Individuals are to be selected based on their Qualification, Experience & Reputation in the area.
- allow them to vote for the position of Team Lead. Team Lead is to be for an area. for instance, Team Lead Sector - G (Islamabad).
- Team Lead should be in contact with SSP or SDPO at minimum.
- Team Leads should have a Bi Monthly meeting with SSP or Monthly meetings with Apex Committee (chaired by DC Office, LEA & Civil Defense
- Team Leads should have a Controlled document (more like a form) used for Incident reporting, stats for the particular period.
- Team Leads should get regular crime reports from local Police station to keep a check on their own performance, if incident has been reported to Police but Civil Defense is unaware of it then at least they know someone is not up to the task properly. This will also allow the Civil Defense team to report on LE performance.

- among the team, a focal point can be made available, an individual with GIS certification,who can plot all the reported incidents by Civil Defense team for criminology analysis. suspicious activities can be plotted, and can be tracked from their own.

Recently I was requested by particular authorities in a city in Pakistan to help setup a proper civil defense service in lieu of the threat of terrorism and crime. The eventual goal is to have a group of citizen's interlinked via Civil Band radios and in direct touch with senior officials to report incidents, provide first look in case of lack of LE in an incident area & provide oversight of LE performance.

The civilians selected for this program are to be from various areas including professionals(Doctors, engineers etc) or retired military. As a prerequisite, any individual known or suspected of any political connections will not be considered.

I would appreciate any assistance in terms of organizational setup of such a force and how the Civil Band radio system could be setup.
Suggestions from all would be appreciated including those from other nations based on their ideas and experiences for Civil Defense.
@Joe Shearer @Desertfalcon @third eye @jhungary
Be advised, I am only requesting positive contributions and suggestions. Any needless pessimism without possible remedies or solutions( as certain members in PDF exist for) will be immediately deleted and the user banned from this thread.
 
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would they be used just for reporting incidents, or will they be able to intervene if something is fishy, or if a crime is taking place, because a police response maybe to the report may be too late.
 
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would they be used just for reporting incidents, or will they be able to intervene if something is fishy, or a if crime is taking place, because a police response maybe to the report may be too late.
If they are going to be First responders or first eyes on ground then it will make the matter more complex ...... Hence it was my first question, what will be the scope of this Team
 
Oscar, if I may ask what will be the scope of this organization?
If I may add, a similar committee was set up in Islamabad with same goal but eventually ended up being failed. People misused the authority, especially Real Estate agents, who for their personal gains,used the affiliation to get things done by the Police.
For this Committee, selected individuals were given a Mobile number for reporting suspicious activity by calling or sending an SMS.

I am not sure about current practice but Pakistan Army in swat created platoon level intelligence cells. Informants were cultivated by them and they used to update PA on critical matters via SMS.This information was then consolidated and sent upwards.


However, I believe such communication is not encrypted. Since the system is needed for a city then I believe there would be adequate coverage of 3G/4G there.

Apart from civil band radios, an encrypted app can be created for this purpose in order to upload images, provide coordinates of the location(by a function that provides current location of the user) or send short sms because using radio may not be approriate at all times and it can also act as a supplimentary tool.


For example I quote below case. A friend of mine foolishly tweeted to ISPR ( I don't think they would reply) regarding collection of funds by "trusts" that function as front office for so called "jehadi" groups. It happened in an Eid Gah right next to a police station and these guys were collecting funds in front of policemen.

If there was an app then he could have uploaded the information + pictures and sent that information to relevant authorities.

 

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Oscar, if I may ask what will be the scope of this organization?
If I may add, a similar committee was set up in Islamabad with same goal but eventually ended up being failed. People misused the authority, especially Real Estate agents, who for their personal gains,used the affiliation to get things done by the Police.
For this Committee, selected individuals were given a Mobile number for reporting suspicious activity by calling or sending an SMS.
If we want to get something out of this program than following should be acted upon at minimum:

- Individuals are to be selected based on their Qualification, Experience & Reputation in the area.
- allow them to vote for the position of Team Lead. Team Lead is to be for an area. for instance, Team Lead Sector - G (Islamabad).
- Team Lead should be in contact with SSP or SDPO at minimum.
- Team Leads should have a Bi Monthly meeting with SSP or Monthly meetings with Apex Committee (chaired by DC Office, LEA & Civil Defense
- Team Leads should have a Controlled document (more like a form) used for Incident reporting, stats for the particular period.
- Team Leads should get regular crime reports from local Police station to keep a check on their own performance, if incident has been reported to Police but Civil Defense is unaware of it then at least they know someone is not up to the task properly. This will also allow the Civil Defense team to report on LE performance.

- among the team, a focal point can be made available, an individual with GIS certification,who can plot all the reported incidents by Civil Defense team for criminology analysis. suspicious activities can be plotted, and can be tracked from their own.

This setup will bypass the police entirely. The core focus is to not have ANY candidates with political affiliations.
 
University Graduates will do a fine job at this. The young and educated people are active and ambitious. But Locals as businessmen who roam around displacing their goods are also to be looked into. Although this suggestion is highly unlikely, The local Imam of Masjids/Mosques which after thorough security clearance will benefit a lot. This will be as much useful as its risky. Having said that, The services of reserves such as Mujahid force etc can also help. Anyway, Not my topics to discuss...
 
Greetings,

Recently I was requested by particular authorities in a city in Pakistan to help setup a proper civil defense service in lieu of the threat of terrorism and crime. The eventual goal is to have a group of citizen's interlinked via Civil Band radios and in direct touch with senior officials to report incidents, provide first look in case of lack of LE in an incident area & provide oversight of LE performance.

The civilians selected for this program are to be from various areas including professionals(Doctors, engineers etc) or retired military. As a prerequisite, any individual known or suspected of any political connections will not be considered.

I would appreciate any assistance in terms of organizational setup of such a force and how the Civil Band radio system could be setup.
Suggestions from all would be appreciated including those from other nations based on their ideas and experiences for Civil Defense.
@Joe Shearer @Desertfalcon @third eye @jhungary


Be advised, I am only requesting positive contributions and suggestions. Any needless pessimism without possible remedies or solutions( as certain members in PDF exist for) will be immediately deleted and the user banned from this thread.

First of all, thanks for tagging me, my expertise is defence and intelligence so my POV will be focus on these two group.

There are a few stage involved in this organisational network, I can only comment on each stage after I got more information from you, but to start, you will need to look at the OODA system and the OSINT aspect of matter.

OODA System

OODA stands for Observe, Orient, Decide and Act, it is a system design to build as a combat strategy, it is developed by John Boyd (Colonel USAF ret), the system deal with real time information process and how to react to real time threat and deal with it in an effective manner. It was developed for Fighter Pilot to use in a dogfight situation, but nowadays OODA applies basically anywhere. Now I am going to run thru the OODA with you using Civil Defence as an example.

Observe - Observe means to gather information, in your case, the observer to phone in or call in real time information for the command center to deal with. In an real time threat sense, as the situation unfold, the first problem you will encounter will be information flooding. Multiple source provide the same piece of information at the same time.

The second problem you will encounter is the quality of information, different people focus on a different stage of the same event, and some saw it in the beginning, some saw it late, meaning the raw information (or data) are mostly incomplete

Then come the third problem, which is basically the biggest, which is false information. Sometime people see things that does not actually happen, sometime enemy agent tried to confuse you by sending you conflicted report, it is your job to distinguish these false information and the real one.

One possible solution is that you have to allow a standardize information flow from your reporting agent, it does not matter how much your agent saw. A set piece of standardize reporting that will sieve out redundant information and only pass thru important detail for the command center to make decision.

Another advantage on standardize reporting will basically give you unbiased information, as you can focus on the incident itself, but not the impact (Politically, Economically, or otherwise)

Orient - After information being collected, the second part would be to process thru the information you obtained, and try to build a full picture for situational awareness

To build a full picture, the first step would be to understand what you want to do with the data, are you preventing an attack, or are you averting an attack? by doing so, you slim down the information you need and deciding which is important and which is not, you can formulate which course of action more effectively. For example, if you want to response to a terrorist attack, then obviously the location and number (Where and How many) is more important than the attacker's affiliation or personal trait (like age, sex and so on)

And then you will need to go over the useful information against a background situation. That means beside knowing what is unfolding, you also need to put your information against your own side and update your own information, for example, if the terrorist blow up a police station in the area, then of course you will have to write off that police station from your possible solution, otherwise you are sending help that does not exist anymore

Decide - Which is to make sense of your information. You can decide which plan you should execute. Also important on this stage is asset management. Which asset you have at hands against what do you need, the purpose is to make a decision based on the information collected and processed in the previous stage.

Another process to make sense of enemy intel is to seek out patterns both regular and irregular, and both friends and foes. Things like patrol pattern, ingress and egress pattern, all these thing you need to look at when you are deciding what is your next move.

Act and Feedback - Once you have chosen the best course of action, the next step is for you to act on this intel. You perform your action and see how this goes, and that will bring you back to the first step, and you also evaluate how effective your action is, and then restart the cycle.

On OSINT.

OSINT focus on two main process.

1.) How to authenticate the information
2.) The Information network

On how to authenticate the information. You will need to establish a rules of thumb yourselves on how to verify the information that passed to you, you look at the incentive, background, and the confirmation. How a person volunteer the information matters (What is his/her purpose, what is his/her gain), his/her personal background matters, and of course, if more than one person report the same piece of information, the more believable that piece of information is.

On information network, most of the time people focus on the person that lead to the useful piece of information, but the person or people who lead to that guy that can provide you with the real juice is almost as important as the guy with the juice himself. Hence how do you build your information network is quite important on getting OSINT.

I cannot get into the issue deep as I am quite busy lately, so I hope this help you set up your civil defence network
 
I think it is a good initiative and as usual should have been taken much earlier but anyways...that's how things are in Pak
My suggestions are
  1. Preference to young people who are active in non-political activities
  2. Watch for religious zealots as they can jeopardise the whole thing
  3. Identities of the members should be kept secret for their protection and effectiveness of the mission
  4. Evolve a point system for the performance of members i.e. positive identification of the suspected activities / personal
  5. Include people who are regular visitors of Mosques especially in the troubled areas.
Right now I can think of only these suggestions
But I have question. What exactly do you mean by political affiliations? Since I think every one has some political affiliation.
 
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@Oscar

If you could PM me or ask someone who can to PM you & me to create a bridge I could share some inputs over the weekend.
 
@Oscar

If you could PM me or ask someone who can to PM you & me to create a bridge I could share some inputs over the weekend.

I thought you can open PM with a moderator?
 
This setup will bypass the police entirely. The core focus is to not have ANY candidates with political affiliations.
But sir, i was under the impression that you wanted the Team to be in contact with Senior Officials rather than the local SHO.......if it is to be done then it will take us back to square one, Individuals trying to over throw the Police authority in the area.........also consider the fact that someone whonis well respected in the community would not like to deal with SHO on routine basis, especially when that sho is barelly inter pass.

To ensure there is no one with Political influence, you can go with your standard vetting by Special branch.....i know it seems impractical but i don't see it otherwise
 
Greetings,

Recently I was requested by particular authorities in a city in Pakistan to help setup a proper civil defense service in lieu of the threat of terrorism and crime. The eventual goal is to have a group of citizen's interlinked via Civil Band radios and in direct touch with senior officials to report incidents, provide first look in case of lack of LE in an incident area & provide oversight of LE performance.

The civilians selected for this program are to be from various areas including professionals(Doctors, engineers etc) or retired military. As a prerequisite, any individual known or suspected of any political connections will not be considered.

I would appreciate any assistance in terms of organizational setup of such a force and how the Civil Band radio system could be setup.
Suggestions from all would be appreciated including those from other nations based on their ideas and experiences for Civil Defense.
@Joe Shearer @Desertfalcon @third eye @jhungary


Be advised, I am only requesting positive contributions and suggestions. Any needless pessimism without possible remedies or solutions( as certain members in PDF exist for) will be immediately deleted and the user banned from this thread.
Well I think if we are ready to hand Guns to local citizens than they should form teams and should take round in their areas. Secondly a new person which people start seeing often should be investigated by local people. People of specefic colony should keep record of those living in their society and those who take a house on rent and also of labour working in the area. People should be trained on How to interview a suspicious person without making him realize that he can be in trouble and also on How to check suspicious car or bike or packet or other things. Finally weekly meeting between local police and civil defence team of society or the town.
 
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