CITIZENSHIP OF THE TURKIC WORLD

[IR-TR]

Geographically yes, some may see Arabs closer to themselves some others not, that's another subject since there are many ideologies. I am talking about how some of nationalists think as I am observing. We can't rely on Ummah which is not exist anymore and untrusful, we can't rely on Turkic "bros" which under Russian influence. Better to be stronger and richer and go solo... That's what I am thinking..

Being strong and rich is every country's goal, if it's Turkey or Botswana. That being said, Turkey as a nation should of course pursue economic ties with Turkic nations. They have all the oil and gas that anybody could wish for, and Turkey could send over contractors to build their cities. That being said, when this cooperation becomes one of racism or secessionism, it becomes dangerous and will be punished (by any nation that's against it, and it's a lot). Otherwise, heck, the Central Asian nations can't even agree on anything and have had many differences and conflicts, even still today. So a Turkic union is bs, especially with Turkey, which isn't even tied to the region. Aside from all that, China is gobbling up Central Asia day by day, and nobody can do anything against it. But still, as for energy and construction and exports of goods, hell yes!

But are you guys not genetically closer to Middle Easterners? Genetics wise, I was under the impression that Turks are closest to Middle Easterners, followed by Europeans in the Balkans/Eastern Europe and finally some genetic overlap with other "Turkic" nations. What do you think?

Turks in Turkey genetically have very little or nothing to do with the OG Turks (Oghuz or original gangster, whichever you like). It's a mix of whites (European and caucasus), middle eastern and kurd/iranian. Anatolia has always been inhabited, it didn't start when the Turkish tribes came over. It was part of many empires during history, the lastest of which was the East Roman empire, before the Ottomans. Genetically you could say it's a mixture of pretty much anything. Racially, mostly white and mediterranean look.

And Central Asians aren't Russia's 'bitch'. They are landlocked under developed countries, surrounded by China and Russia, and tied historically to Russia. Half of them have the Cyrillic alphabet even, and mandatory Russian in school. It's just what it is. Sadly, only two of them have anything worth exporting. The others just have populations with an identity crisis, being forced into secularism for so long, and now being free but seeing ISIS on social media every day. Over 4000 ISIS fighters from those countries. Some say Central Asia is the next powder keg, especially to be used against China's rise. We'll see what happens. I hope the situation can be controlled.

 

[rmi5]

But the problem is you generalised central asian turkics eventhough most Anatolian Turks care more about being muslim then being Turkic......

Islamism is like Ebola and will never easily leave victims' minds. Current day Turkey, has been the center of caliphate(aka Mental Ebola) for centuries, so no wonder if Anatolian turks care more for being muslims, and being sunnis than being a turk. We all saw how they sold out shiite Turkmens of Iraqto kurds and ISIS. A couple of centuries is required for them, to get rid of such mental poisons in their minds, specially by considering the government that is ruling them now.
About this thread that @Islamic faith&Secularism has opened, it's going nowhere, because there is no serious political will to move this agenda forward. The current agenda of foreign policy of Turkey is new-ottomanism, and it's not Turkic brotherhood.

You are right pal but just because my ancestors fvcked with greeks doesn't make me greek... Genes are about being human as you said, your behavior, your intelligence, your physique, your personality, not about being Turk, French or whatever... Cultures differs not because of genes but the envirement and culture you grown up, for example take a newborn Finnish baby and raise him inTurkey, he will adopt whole Turkish culture deeply and will be more Turk than me.. He will have no clue if he is from Finland or whereelse..

Blood or scientifically speaking genome, is the most important factor that defines a person and its personality. You, as a person from west or South West Turkey, can claim Greek civilization heritage in the same amount that a greek from Athen can claim it. Because both of you have similar blood related roots to those ancient greek people. But, in addition to that, you have a cultural turkic root as well, which makes you related to rest of the people of your country through culture, language, ... You will also culturally become related to Turkic speaking countries, as well. One's identity, has different parts, and you cannot just throw some parts away.

 

[Timur]

But the problem is you generalised central asian turkics eventhough most Anatolian Turks care more about being muslim then being Turkic......

that is incompleate ..

they care for beeing Turkish... when it comes to turkic they simply ask "they (central asian turkic) are also turkish?"

in turkey we have great national thoughts.. they generalize the nation to turkish and we do not have a name for turkic its just Türk for all.. they are just mind builded for national thinking our goverment always tried to form the one nation agenda..

Islamism is like Ebola and will never easily leave victims' minds. Current day Turkey, has been the center of caliphate(aka Mental Ebola) for centuries, so no wonder if Anatolian turks care more for being muslims, and being sunnis than being a turk. We all saw how they sold out shiite Turkmens of Iraqto kurds and ISIS. A couple of centuries is required for them, to get rid of such mental poisons in their minds, specially by considering the government that is ruling them now.
About this thread that @Islamic faith&Secularism has opened, it's going nowhere, because there is no serious political will to move this agenda forward. The current agenda of foreign policy of Turkey is new-ottomanism, and it's not Turkic brotherhood.

man compleate bullshit from brevik islam hater..

my iranian friend with arab roots ..Turkey turks lack even in seeing the turkmen of irak as their own.. that is the real history behind that.. if you ask some Turkey Turks then you would get sometimes the answer they are not turkish.. yes they are not turkish but turkic..

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Diplomacy and policy making is something; and supporting groups for terrrorism to reach your goals in a region or a country is another thing.

If you choose the second option, then you are actually caring no human being but your own agenda. If you pick up the first option, then you really care human beings, and want to build something for good, and based on mutual benefits.

Turkic countries are youngest ones in the World; however, They have peacfull enviromental except for some middle eastern style neighbours. However, As every young country in the World faced, like South Korea, Germany, Turkey etc. . They try to build everything out of nothing, therefore they face some problems, and try to find out solutions, or postpone them till a solution pops up.

Now They decided to open borders to the World and welcome others; like China or Russia did after ruining their communism system. As many of human beings would do, They hold it together with relative countries(brothers) in every respects, and catch World order up with relatives(brothers) in order to gear their countries up against threats and benefits in the World.

What the other relatives should do is to do the best in their hands; to make policies and create diplomcy for those policies, somethimes to guide them, sometimes to go over those relative countries and work to build; but not to Show their shortcomings, problems etc. If you are really their relatives.

 

[-SINAN-]

Islamism is like Ebola and will never easily leave victims' minds. Current day Turkey, has been the center of caliphate(aka Mental Ebola) for centuries, so no wonder if Anatolian turks care more for being muslims, and being sunnis than being a turk. We all saw how they sold out shiite Turkmens of Iraqto kurds and ISIS. A couple of centuries is required for them, to get rid of such mental poisons in their minds, specially by considering the government that is ruling them now.
About this thread that @Islamic faith&Secularism has opened, it's going nowhere, because there is no serious political will to move this agenda forward. The current agenda of foreign policy of Turkey is new-ottomanism, and it's not Turkic brotherhood.

Fake Azeri wannabe Farsi that knows nothing about Turkey rather then Western media...Nobody values or gives shıt about your silly comments.

 

[East or West India Best]

Better answer is Iam hardcore Pakistani.....we're living here for last 10 Centuries....arrived by 17 invasions carried-out by Sultan of Ghazni ....maternal side lineage trace back to mughals

@ashok mourya we have a descendent of one of those 10,000 men. What are the odds?

 

[B+ Dracula]

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@ashok mourya we have a descendent of one of those 10,000 men. What are the odds?

Odds are always against you....throughout History

 

[IR-TR]

Fake Azeri wannabe Farsi that knows nothing about Turkey rather then Western media...Nobody values or gives shıt about your silly comments.

You're an engineer, I just read that in an old post about rebuilding Iraq (stadiums/HVAC). I didn't expect such a comment from you. Quite childish for an engineer that's just about to get married. Guess what, Azeris are two things: they are Turkic, so they don't have a reason to hate Turkey, but they're also Shia. Be it through fear of Sunnis or indoctrination, they view Sunnis sceptically. Erdogan hating on Aleviler and calling for the Ummah etc, doesn't help either. Shias have always been the dogs of the muslim world, always been the poorest and always have been persecuted. So when Sunnni supremacy rears it's ugly head, people get frightened. 'Turkic brethren' stops when it becomes sunni vs shia. No need to be a 'fars' for that.

 

[-SINAN-]

You're an engineer, I just read that in an old post about rebuilding Iraq (stadiums/HVAC). I didn't expect such a comment from you. Quite childish for an engineer that's just about to get married.

Didn't read after this part.

First learn to behave.

 

[Timur]

Azeris are two things: they are Turkic

everybody knows this.. and azeri have special status in the eyes of turks..

'Turkic brethren' stops when it becomes sunni vs shia. No need to be a 'fars' for that

this is typical Farsi thinking..

to be fars makes it worse.. there is no connection.. so we do not have to discuss this..

as I said it before Azeri are brothers in the eye of turkey turks that does not change except someone is persononally bulling you with sectarianism (should be so for both sides) also there could be sectarianism with wahabi with sufi and so on.. most of your comments could be reversed: when it comes to sectarianism I could show you a big sin-list too

to sinans post I can understand his hard words.. when someone is bulling everytime and you know hes fake than sometimes you are pissed off.. my opinion is until he does not use any abusive words it is not childish..

as I said somewhere else:

if you are turkish citizen consider yourself turkish, we have great national thoughts..
Azeris have special place in our hearts
and generally we consider everyone whos father is turkish as turk (except those who do not feel so)..

 

[IR-TR]

everybody knows this.. and azeri have special status in the eyes of turks..



this is typical Farsi thinking..

to be fars makes it worse.. there is no connection.. so we do not have to discuss this..

as I said it before Azeri are brothers in the eye of turkey turks that does not change except someone is persononally bulling you with sectarianism (should be so for both sides) also there could be sectarianism with wahabi with sufi and so on.. most of your comments could be reversed: when it comes to sectarianism I could show you a big sin-list too

to sinans post I can understand his hard words.. when someone is bulling everytime and you know hes fake than sometimes you are pissed off.. my opinion is until he does not use any abusive words it is not childish..

as I said somewhere else:

if you are turkish citizen consider yourself turkish, we have great national thoughts..
Azeris have special place in our hearts
and generally we consider everyone whos father is turkish as turk (except those who do not feel so)..

Well, my mother is Turkish, so I probably don't qualify? Just trash then? Who made up a law of what is a Turk and what isn't? Rmi5 is born in Azerbaijan, the republic. I don't see how he's faking his identity, or why he would fake it. It's quite silly for me to even try to argue, as there are many MHP'ers in here, who'd tell you that there are 400 million Turks in the world. Little do they know that many Central Asian Turkic nations have hostilities amongs themselves, and they are the real deal Turks. And may I ask, what kind of special place do Azeris have? Genuinely curious. Why do they differ from a Kazakh? Is it that the language is more similar?

 

[Timur]

Well, my mother is Turkish, so I probably don't qualify? Just trash then? Who made up a law of what is a Turk and what isn't? Rmi5 is born in Azerbaijan, the republic. I don't see how he's faking his identity, or why he would fake it. It's quite silly for me to even try to argue, as there are many MHP'ers in here, who'd tell you that there are 400 million Turks in the world. Little do they know that many Central Asian Turkic nations have hostilities amongs themselves, and they are the real deal Turks. And may I ask, what kind of special place do Azeris have? Genuinely curious. Why do they differ from a Kazakh? Is it that the language is more similar?

well you do not know many things or do not read everything.. you ask what kind of special place they have just after I wrote they are our brothers..

wich person do have special place in your heart..? ppl you like ppl you love.. so don't act silly or snarky

you ask what they differ from kazakh you really dont know what azeris are? they are geographically near us they are like us mainly Oghuz Turks same tribes different names.. there is nothing curious about that, we are the same ppl living in different nations..

hostilities amongs themselves

many fathers and children have hostilities.. many brothers have hostilities.. we are not living in a hippie world with flowers and love.. so you mean to have problems with each other makes someone not turk? that means we abondon the ones who do not agree or who we do not like..

Well, my mother is Turkish, so I probably don't qualify?

sorry that is the way many ppl think..

Just trash then?

no! why do you say something like this?

Rmi5 is born in Azerbaijan, the republic.

really? are you sure?

 

[Serpentine]

you ask what they differ from kazakh you really dont know what azeris are? they are geographically near us they are like us mainly Oghuz Turks same tribes different names.. there is nothing curious about that, we are the same ppl living in different nations..

Agreed, central Asian countries, although being mostly Turkic by blood, don't 'act' like Turks much, even if your leaders meet various times and sign deals, they are still different than Azerbaijan and Turkey. Ironically, Anatolian Turks (who are distant by blood from their original Turkish brothers in Central Asia and more mixed with Romans/Greeks/Arabs/Persians) tend to stick more to this whole Turkish brotherhood than those in Central Asia.

I think you should forget all that "different countries, one nation" thing when it comes to central Asian countries, but maybe you can have it with Republic of Azerbaijan since it is closer geographically.

Being a Turk (or Arab, European, Persian, Russian) has little to do with blood and much to do with actions and self identification. If you bring an American child and raise him in Turkey, at the end, he may become hardcore Turkish patriot, much more than his 'Turkish' brother who lives in, let's say, Uzbekistan.

So it's more logical to stick to very close economic cooperation which there is a chance for, rather than forming a union or brotherhood that may never be anything more than a name.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Agreed, central Asian countries, although being mostly Turkic by blood, don't 'act' like Turks much, even if your leaders meet various times and sign deals, they are still different than Azerbaijan and Turkey. Ironically, Anatolian Turks (who are distant by blood from their original Turkish brothers in Central Asia and more mixed with Romans/Greeks/Arabs/Persians) tend to stick more to this whole Turkish brotherhood than those in Central Asia.

I think you should forget all that "different countries, one nation" thing when it comes to central Asian countries, but maybe you can have it with Republic of Azerbaijan since it is closer geographically.

Being a Turk (or Arab, European, Persian, Russian) has little to do with blood and much to do with actions and self identification. If you bring an American child and raise him in Turkey, at the end, he may become hardcore Turkish patriot, much more than his 'Turkish' brother who lives in, let's say, Uzbekistan.

So it's more logical to stick to very close economic cooperation which there is a chance for, rather than forming a union or brotherhood that may never be anything more than a name.

Could you please back up your claims with data or info?

 

[Serpentine]

Could you please back up your claims with data or info?

It wasn't a 'claim', it's what I see from Central Asian countries, I think many others also see it. It doesn't require huge amount of data to understand that the impact of 70 years of Communism rule in those countries still heavily exists today. So it's nothing that requires a data to say that CA countries are still leaning towards Russia (whether they want it or not) and also China, as it was expected, thanks to geographical proximity.