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As for the topic of education.... the same geniuses struggle to study abroad and speak decent English which is essential for medicine and engineering fields.
 
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As for the topic of education.... the same geniuses struggle to study abroad and speak decent English which is essential for medicine and engineering fields.

And the point is??

Look speaking English doesn't mean anything. Knew many Chinese/ Japanese students in Germany, some of their spoken English was so much void of basic grammar, that it was just painful for my ear drums; but never seen them anything other than being the best in their chosen academic or professional fields.

The level of language skill isn't same for every single person. People learn it various ways. A person who doesn't speak it well,doesn't mean he isn't any good with reading or writing it.The process of learning a new language isn't same for every other person. We learn and adapt to use it in various ways.

In various communicative situations,it doesn't always work the same way,it's different for different situations. Speaking a language is a communicative act which is done in a communicative situation, like communicating in a grocery shop or class lecture when you have to ask a question. But reading a book for exam and writing answers on paper, are different communicative situation and demands different communicative acts. They are simply different. Speaking,reading and writing can be correlated in the language learning process, but with time and practice,if one skill improves, others will too. Like when one is good at reading or writing, it will eventually help to improve his/her speaking skill. But it doesn't mean if you are bad in handling a situation,you are automatically bad at handling another one.

In professional fields, a doctor or engineer necessarily don't have to be good at speaking a foreign language, what is more important is,how competent he is with the "register" (register in simple words is,various professional terms related to various specific professions) of his professional field.

Majority of the BD students abroad is doing pretty good in their academics,except those who is more concerned with earning money,partying, getting laid or simply wastes their time rather than studying. But believe me the number is very very low. Majority don't afford those on their parents money.

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My personal understanding on you is, as you are still very young, your exposure to various situations/life experiences are limited (I am not impelling that, I am very experienced,hey, I am just 27 not 72 :p ) ,as you are very young. You grew up in a different social demography other than your parents, and also it is very normal to be little pessimistic/negative about a country or anything at this age. But hey, you have more years ahead of you. You will get more mature and more experienced as you go and more exposed to a situations,which is new for you. But right for this age your reaction is quiet normal.
 
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And the point is??

Look speaking English doesn't mean anything. Knew many Chinese/ Japanese students in Germany, some of their spoken English was so much void of basic grammar, that it was just painful for my ear drums; but never seen them anything other than being the best in their chosen academic or professional fields.

The level of language skill isn't same for every single person. People learn it various ways. A person who doesn't speak it well,doesn't mean he isn't any good with reading or writing it.The process of learning a new language isn't same for every other person. We learn and adapt to use it in various ways.

In various communicative situations,it doesn't always work the same way,it's different for different situations. Speaking a language is a communicative act which is done in a communicative situation, like communicating in a grocery shop or class lecture when you have to ask a question. But reading a book for exam and writing answers on paper, are different communicative situation and demands different communicative acts. They are simply different. Speaking,reading and writing can be correlated in the language learning process, but with time and practice,if one skill improves, others will too. Like when one is good at reading or writing, it will eventually help to improve his/her speaking skill. But it doesn't mean if you are bad in handling a situation,you are automatically bad to handle another one.

In professional fields, a doctor or engineer necessarily don't have to be good at speaking a foreign language, what is more important is,how competent he is with the "register" (register in simple words is,various professional terms related to various specific professions) of his professional field.

Majority of the BD students abroad is doing pretty good in their academics,except those who is more concerned with earning money,partying, getting laid or simply wastes their time rather than studying. But believe me the number is very very low. Majority don't afford those on their parents money.

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My personal understanding on you is, as you are still very young, your exposure to various situations/life experiences are limited (I am not impelling that, I am very experienced,hey, I am just 27 not 72 :p ) ,as you are very young. You grew up in a different social demography other than your parents, and also it is very normal to be little pessimistic/negative about a country or anything at this age. But hey, you have more years ahead of you. You will get more mature and more experienced as you go and more exposed to a situations,which is new for you. But right for this age your reaction is quiet normal.
I wasn't negative.... until recently... I have moved to Bangladesh before and studied 3-4 years in Bangla medium too. What I am saying is there are many Bangladeshis who struggle in their education field once they go to a foreign country. Not in all scenarios... but mostly. Like last time someone couldn't write down Newton's third law... like seriously. And mostly the classes in Bangladesh on physics is done on theory and little maths solution... and no derivations of any sort. Same students appearing for exams in foreign countries and they struggle... fail like 2 times.

My point is education system is bangladesh has been made too unnecessary and complex. Which isn't helping any students. Be it intelligent ones or the weak ones. I suggest adopting complete CBSE curriculum... though their syllabus is extremely difficult and pattern is too straining on a student compared to IGCSE.... students come off very talented...

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Btw how is Germany? I got accepted their but then had to sign up for a language course that would take 2 years and I had to get around 7.0. So I didn't go ahead because for the uncertainty. Anyways what do you do for a living?
 
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I wasn't negative.... until recently... I have moved to Bangladesh before and studied 3-4 years in Bangla medium too. What I am saying is there are many Bangladeshis who struggle in their education field once they go to a foreign country. Not in all scenarios... but mostly. Like last time someone couldn't write down Newton's third law... like seriously. And mostly the classes in Bangladesh on physics is done on theory and little maths solution... and no derivations of any sort. Same students appearing for exams in foreign countries and they struggle... fail like 2 times.

My point is education system is bangladesh has been made too unnecessary and complex. Which isn't helping any students. Be it intelligent ones or the weak ones. I suggest adopting complete CBSE curriculum... though their syllabus is extremely difficult and pattern is too straining on a student compared to IGCSE.... students come off very talented...

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Btw how is Germany? I got accepted their but then had to sign up for a language course that would take 2 years and I had to get around 7.0. So I didn't go ahead because for the uncertainty. Anyways what do you do for a living?

What happened to you is that you got educated in Indian education system and could not cope up with the Bangladeshi education system which is far more competitive and complex. I'm not saying Bangladeshi education is good but I have many relatives studying abroad particularly in the west and doing pretty well in those countries. According to them most of the Bangladeshis who study abroad find it pretty easier there because of lesser competition and pressure.
 
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What happened to you is that you got educated in Indian education system and could not cope up with the Bangladeshi education system which is far more competitive and complex.

Two very high complex and competitive patents filed in USPTO :rofl:
 
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Two very high complex and competitive patents filed in USPTO :rofl:

We have discussed it before, there is not much awareness about intellectual property rights in Bangladesh, so people here don't feel to file patents. In any case this is irrelevant when discussing high school education.
 
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We have discussed it before, there is not much awareness about intellectual property rights in Bangladesh, so people here don't feel to file patents. In any case this is irrelevant when discussing high school education.

Doesn't explain just how badly Bangladesh scores in education quality perception parameters and complexity of economy in many human capital reports....year after year (in 1 - 10 ratings, often scoring half or less of what India with its problems does).

Seriously no one in the world has formed any opinion of your education sector, thats how far off everyone's radar it is.

The only Bangladeshis I have come across that are intelligent and capable are all educated in western countries....and they would all laugh at what you are claiming with regards to Bangladesh high school education....they have told me just how bad it is beyond the few prestigious ones you can count on one hand. Lets not even go into tertiary education.

But maybe you can explain what you mean by it being more "complex and complicated" in Bangladesh than India. I may have misunderstood what you are conveying here. Is it lack of supply you are talking about compared to India...or you are saying the quality is higher in Bangladesh? If it's the latter, it's wrong....because the numbers simply do not show it.
 
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Doesn't explain just how badly Bangladesh scores in education quality perception parameters and complexity of economy in many human capital reports....year after year (in 1 - 10 ratings, often scoring half or less of what India with its problems does).

Seriously no one in the world has formed any opinion of your education sector, thats how far off everyone's radar it is.

The only Bangladeshis I have come across that are intelligent and capable are all educated in western countries....and they would all laugh at what you are claiming with regards to Bangladesh high school education....they have told me just how bad it is beyond the few prestigious ones you can count on one hand. Lets not even go into tertiary education.

But maybe you can explain what you mean by it being more "complex and complicated" in Bangladesh than India. I may have misunderstood what you are conveying here. Is it lack of supply you are talking about compared to India...or you are saying the quality is higher in Bangladesh? If it's the latter, it's wrong....because the numbers simply do not show it.

I have met some Indians and according to them the education system in India is primarily the reason why Indians are still one of the most backward nations in the world in terms of sanitation, sexual violence and other social issues. They say only the IITs are something that could be termed as decent but rest of Indian education is simply clueless which is why Indian PhD holders are often seen applying for the jobs of peons.
 
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I have met some Indians and according to them the education system in India is primarily the reason why Indians are still one of the most backward nations in the world in terms of sanitation, sexual violence and other social issues. They say only the IITs are something that could be termed as decent but rest of Indian education is simply clueless which is why Indian PhD holders are often seen applying for the jobs of peons.

So imagine how much worse it is in Bangladesh given you are rated at half or worse in the education perception indices.

Do you even have anything combined thats even 10% of just one IIT/IIM/IISc?

Tell me which STEM PhD holder in India is applying for a peon job? No one gives a crap about other "PhDs" in all sort of idiot subjects that people choose these days....thats their decision.

Reverse brain drain is cruising along nicely in India:

https://defence.pk/threads/why-scie...-a-better-life-and-returning-to-india.444059/

Whereas the crushing first phase of brain drain has just started in Bangladesh.....and it concerns a small pool to begin with...so the worst part is yet to come.

Education is simply on a whole different level in India. If you persist with your claims, I will post the numbers directly next.

For now have a look at:

http://monitor.icef.com/2012/07/china-and-india-to-produce-40-of-global-graduates-by-2020/

Is Bangladesh anywhere to be found given its population size?
 
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So imagine how much worse it is in Bangladesh given you are rated at half or worse in the education perception indices.

Do you even have anything combined thats even 10% of just one IIT/IIM/IISc?

Tell me which STEM PhD holder in India is applying for a peon job? No one gives a crap about other "PhDs" in all sort of idiot subjects that people choose these days....thats their decision.

Reverse brain drain is cruising along nicely in India:

https://defence.pk/threads/why-scie...-a-better-life-and-returning-to-india.444059/

Whereas the crushing first phase of brain drain has just started in Bangladesh.....and it concerns a small pool to begin with...so the worst part is yet to come.

Education is simply on a whole different level in India. If you persist with your claims, I will post the numbers directly next.

For now have a look at:

http://monitor.icef.com/2012/07/china-and-india-to-produce-40-of-global-graduates-by-2020/

Is Bangladesh anywhere to be found given its population size?

Bangladeshi education is better in a sense that people here knows about the need for proper sanitation facilities and thus have higher life expectancy than Indians.

You are just cherry picking some exceptional cases of few Indian scientists. How many IITs are there in India and what's the total number of higher education centres in India? I bet IITs wouldn't be even 0.1% of the total.

There are also many Bangladeshi graduates doing pretty well. If I'm to cherry pick like you, Fazlur Rahman (father of skyscraper designs), Dr. Muhammad Yunus (Father of microfinance) all were graduated from Bangladeshi institutions like BUET, Dhaka University etc. We also receive thousands of international students every year.
 
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Bangladeshi education is better in a sense that people here knows about the need for proper sanitation facilities and thus have higher life expectancy than Indians.

And you will run out of this silly comparison in a couple years time when ODF access is achieved in India.

http://mospi.nic.in/Mospi_New/upload/Swachhta_ Status_Report2016.pdf

Someone independent should do a study in Bangladesh to see what the actual difference is in use and access:


You are just cherry picking some exceptional cases of few Indian scientists. How many IITs are there in India and what's the total number of higher education centres in India? I bet IITs wouldn't be even 0.1% of the total.

There are also many Bangladeshi graduates doing pretty well. If I'm to cherry pick like you, Fazlur Rahman (father of skyscraper designs), Dr. Muhammad Yunus (Father of microfinance) all were graduated from Bangladeshi institutions like BUET, Dhaka University etc. We also receive thousands of international students every year.

OK I'm going to have to nip this in the bud since you want to compare the full average education one can expect:

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Human_Capital_Report_2015.pdf

Quality perception of education. Comparing the profiles (rated from 1 to 7, higher = better):

For Maths/Science: India = 4.23 Ban = 3.36

Business schools: India = 4.43 Ban = 3.72

Specialised training services: India =4.21 Ban = 3.11

Capacity to attact talent: India = 3.82, Ban = 2.40

Capacity to retain talent: India = 3.93, Ban = 2.71

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Skilled employment share: India: 14.6% Bangladesh: 6.3%

Medium-skilled: India: 73.4% Ban: 53%

I mean what does it matter if only 0.1% of our tertiary schools are IIT etc?...if the 99.9 % overall are way better than your 99.9% in quality and quantity?

Number of tertiary students are also way below in Bangladesh % wise:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR?locations=IN-BD


As for BUET:

http://careernews24.com/universities/247-ranking-of-south-asian-universities

http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

So yeah you are way below even taking into consideration the population.
 
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And you will run out of this silly comparison in a couple years time when ODF access is achieved in India.

http://mospi.nic.in/Mospi_New/upload/Swachhta_ Status_Report2016.pdf

Someone independent should do a study in Bangladesh to see what the actual difference is in use and access:




OK I'm going to have to nip this in the bud since you want to compare the full average education one can expect:

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Human_Capital_Report_2015.pdf

Quality perception of education. Comparing the profiles (rated from 1 to 7, higher = better):

For Maths/Science: India = 4.23 Ban = 3.36

Business schools: India = 4.43 Ban = 3.72

Specialised training services: India =4.21 Ban = 3.11

Capacity to attact talent: India = 3.82, Ban = 2.40

Capacity to retain talent: India = 3.93, Ban = 2.71

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Skilled employment share: India: 14.6% Bangladesh: 6.3%

Medium-skilled: India: 73.4% Ban: 53%

I mean what does it matter if only 0.1% of our tertiary schools are IIT etc?...if the 99.9 % overall are way better than your 99.9% in quality and quantity?

Number of tertiary students are also way below in Bangladesh % wise:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR?locations=IN-BD


As for BUET:

http://careernews24.com/universities/247-ranking-of-south-asian-universities

http://www.topuniversities.com/univ...region=+country=+faculty=+stars=false+search=

So yeah you are way below even taking into consideration the population.

Ok let me give some news links without which you are reluctant to trust
http://www.eurasiareview.com/090520...tion-to-become-open-defecation-free-analysis/
Bangladesh: First South Asian Nation To Become Open-Defecation Free




These issues are primarily because of poor standard of Indian education system. Everybody doesn't get to study in IITs and the rest have to get enrolled into substandard institutions.


Why Indian PhD and BTech holders love lowly government jobs
 
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Ok let me give some news links without which you are reluctant to trust
Bangladesh: First South Asian Nation To Become Open-Defecation Free




These issues are primarily because of poor standard of Indian education system. Everybody doesn't get to study in IITs and the rest have to get enrolled into substandard institutions.


Why Indian PhD and BTech holders love lowly government jobs

All based on old data, things are changing on the ground quickly for India. 60% access in 2015 probably going to be 70 - 75% this year when next NSSO survey is done.

I just posted a video of Bangladeshi defecating in the slum in full view of everyone.....so obviously claimed access does not equate to actual use. Seems ODF free is just a moniker.....I mean have to feel better about your LDC classification somehow right?

I don't give a crap about TV media reports on this subject (which use all kinds of outdated sources), only up to date hard cold data.

I mean I can find plenty that call Bangladesh complete crap based on older data....poverty rates of 40% and so on. Urban Slum inhabitation of 60%+ and so on...but Bangladesh I know is making efforts and strides in reducing these....so I dont pay much attention to BBC etc when they use old sources given the pace of change happening.

These issues are primarily because of poor standard of Indian education system. Everybody doesn't get to study in IITs and the rest have to get enrolled into substandard institutions.

Fact of the matter is only I am posting numbers, and you are posting videos. If India is bad, Bangladesh is much much worse when it comes to education quality and quantity at all levels.

I mean why has not one study shown Bangladesh will have at least 1% of graduates in the world by 2020 when India will be at 12%?

Why doesn't even one study rank Bangladesh education overall quality to be higher than India in secondary or tertiary?

And you think Bangladesh patent filings are low because of poor IPR locally? That makes no sense when the 2 I am talking about are the filings in the US patent office....and apply to patent protection in the worlds largest economy. 2 compared to 3300+ for India over there. That should tell you in a nutshell the difference in education quality and quantity levels, industrial and research sectors and overall funding and institutional capacity at the higher level in both countries.
 
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All based on old data, things are changing on the ground quickly for India. 60% access in 2015 probably going to be 70 - 75% this year when next NSSO survey is done.

I just posted a video of Bangladeshi defecating in the slum in full view of everyone.....so obviously claimed access does not equate to actual use. Seems ODF free is just a moniker.....I mean have to feel better about your LDC classification somehow right?

I don't give a crap about TV media reports on this subject (which use all kinds of outdated sources), only up to date hard cold data.

I mean I can find plenty that call Bangladesh complete crap based on older data....poverty rates of 40% and so on. Urban Slum inhabitation of 60%+ and so on...but Bangladesh I know is making efforts and strides in reducing these....so I dont pay much attention to BBC etc when they use old sources given the pace of change happening.



Fact of the matter is only I am posting numbers, and you are posting videos. If India is bad, Bangladesh is much much worse when it comes to education quality and quantity at all levels.

I mean why has not one study shown Bangladesh will have at least 1% of graduates in the world by 2020 when India will be at 12%?

Why doesn't even one study rank Bangladesh education overall quality to be higher than India in secondary or tertiary?

And you think Bangladesh patent filings are low because of poor IPR locally? That makes no sense when the 2 I am talking about are the filings in the US patent office....and apply to patent protection in the worlds largest economy. 2 compared to 3300+ for India over there. That should tell you in a nutshell the difference in education quality and quantity levels, industrial and research sectors and overall funding and institutional capacity at the higher level in both countries.

Bangladesh has one of the largest number of graduates, 10% of the population according to WEF. http://reports.weforum.org/human-capital-report-2016/economies/#economy=BGD

Your video is from 2011 and Bangladesh became open defecation free in 2015. My videos about India are from 2014 and 2016 they are not outdated. This is why Bangladesh has higher life expectancy than India.

I will obviously trust the international media over Indian statistics agencies because they are wellknown for fudging the data.
 
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