CIA Incompetent or complicit

[LeGenD]

Neither do I actually. But the americans do this type of propaganda dont they and we dont like it either. In fact I was using their accusation against ISI of competent or complicit in the Osama episode. In all their propaganda sheets aka known as western papers they were doing exactly this with us,

Bro, I understand your feelings. I feel sad too.

However, we have to admit; the OBL episode has been the most shameful in our history. The ISI and Army needed some wake-up call too.

And US media is like a uncontrollable mouth.

 

[lem34]

No 2 thoughts.. Caught with their pants down..But unlike people in our subcontinent who are experts at finding excuses and hence are cursed with multiple repeats of the same atrocity like bomb blasts and terror attacks, Americans are pretty good in plugging the holes and going on offensive.. Thats why there hasnt been a second 9/11 and most of the terror attacks and deaths since then have happened in Muslim countries like Iraq/Afg/Pak etc

They may have killed muslims but only last months 61 americans were killed in afghanistan and probably ten times that figure lost limbs. So the solution they have come up with is still killing americans. And they may have killed osama but their collatarl damage is creating dozens of osamas. So americans are not been killed in america they are being killed abroad and oh wasnt osama trying to blead them financially. Oh they are going bankrupt as well.

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No 2 thoughts.. Caught with their pants down..But unlike people in our subcontinent who are experts at finding excuses and hence are cursed with multiple repeats of the same atrocity like bomb blasts and terror attacks, Americans are pretty good in plugging the holes and going on offensive.. Thats why there hasnt been a second 9/11 and most of the terror attacks and deaths since then have happened in Muslim countries like Iraq/Afg/Pak etc

Oh so you are also saying they are or were incompetent because they were caught with pantys down

 

[Martian]

No 2 thoughts.. Caught with their pants down..But unlike people in our subcontinent who are experts at finding excuses and hence are cursed with multiple repeats of the same atrocity like bomb blasts and terror attacks, Americans are pretty good in plugging the holes and going on offensive.. Thats why there hasnt been a second 9/11 and most of the terror attacks and deaths since then have happened in Muslim countries like Iraq/Afg/Pak etc

After plugging holes, what should be logical step? Punishing those officials who let those holes in the system?

How you can say that CIA improved, when they were fabricating Iraqi WMDs after few months of 9/11?

 

[lem34]

I wonder why we are not getting many of our indian members commenting on whether americans are incompetent or complicit or both?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

anyone who has visited and read CIA archives of declassified documents can make out how efficient they were in predicting future events and decisions made by specific nations .

But of course like any organization they have their share of failures.

 

[guest11]

I wonder why we are not getting many of our indian members commenting on whether americans are incompetent or complicit or both?

Because Indian members do not share the same enthusiasm for conspiracy theories. Let me put it this way, according to most members on this forum.

9/11-- CIA and Mossad drama.
26/11-- RAW drama.
Beslan and Moscow crisis-- FSB drama
PNS Mehran-- A genuine terrorist incident

Even Holocaust, one of the most documented tragedy is considered a sham by some members.

Muslim separatist around globe-- Freedom fighters
Baluchistan rebels-- Bloody terrorists

If you want to remain blindfolded its your choice and there is hardly anything anyone else can do to help you. Please tell me one example, that post WW2 a large group Japanese people took up arms to revenge the Hiroshima and Nagasaki and started killing Western citizens. If you tell me that they don't have enough balls, I am not gonna believe it. or that they don't have the spirit for waging something like jihad. They reconstructed most of the infrastructure they lost in the recent tsunami within three months. So much for the people with no spirits.

In the entire world, Pakistan is the only one suffering from "true terrorism", rest all is just a sham and countries filled with fols and liars.

Now on topic-- Americans have a air defence and monitoring system called NORAD which alerts them of any hostile incoming object whether a jet or a missile. But it does not monitor the thousands of airliners entering the airspace daily. Pre 9/11, no one believed that someone could be a lunatic enough to crash airliners into buildings and kills thousands of innocent civilians. Several terrorist attempts have been made public post 9/11 including the one with a Pakistani origin person involved. But since this is a Pakistani forum, that was all a drama.

 

[lem34]

anyone who has visited and read CIA archives of declassified documents can make out how efficient they were in predicting future events and decisions made by specific nations .

But of course like any organization they have their share of failures.

So you are saying they were incompetent

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

So you are saying they were incompetent

my comment is open to each one's opinion

 

[lem34]

Because Indian members do not share the same enthusiasm for conspiracy theories.

My dear freind why has the conspiracy theory that ISI is complicit or incompetent re Osama killing being plastered around by western press and indian press. And you should go and look at other threads where indians have been avid fans of this irrational question. I mean this is a loaded question if pakistanis say they did not know about osama they are embarased because it is then suggested that they are incompetent. If the argument is that they knew then they are complicit.

It was actually a bit tongue in cheek when I put this thread up and it was to make the point that we pakistanis face very hostile propaganda from our enemies. Did you like it?

 

[lem34]

my comment is open to each one's opinion

Pray tell me Syama what other interpretation when we are discussing CIA could you put to your statement:

But of course like any organization they have their share of failures.

By now no doubt you are aware why I put this thread up

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Pray tell me Syama what other interpretation when we are discussing CIA could you put to your statement:

But of course like any organization they have their share of failures.

By now no doubt you are aware why I put this thread up

read the documents from here.

CIA FOIA - Overview

you"ll understand my comment better

 

[lem34]

read the documents from here.

CIA FOIA - Overview

you"ll understand my comment better

I am fully aware of foi in western countries. They can hide anything at any time if they deem its for their security. I learned very early in studying law in the UK that western law is just an anaesthetic to soothe their collective consiousness to feel that they have the high moral ground. Having said that I have tried applying a literal or a textual or contextual analysis of what you said and it dosnt change the fact the only inferance that we can draw from your comment is that they were incompetent but you then you try to mitigate this or give an excuse to them that others have these failures as well

 

[guest11]

My dear freind why has the conspiracy theory that ISI is complicit or incompetent re Osama killing being plastered around by western press and indian press. And you should go and look at other threads where indians have been avid fans of this irrational question. I mean this is a loaded question if pakistanis say they did not know about osama they are embarased because it is then suggested that they are incompetent. If the argument is that they knew then they are complicit.

It was actually a bit tongue in cheek when I put this thread up and it was to make the point that we pakistanis face very hostile propaganda from our enemies. Did you like it?

Agreed about the propaganda but 9/11 does not concern Pakistan directly. US killed 3000 of it's own so that it could kill some Muslims in a war torn country and with no oil. And I think ISI is quite competent and radical. PNS Mehran incident proved that your armed forces are infested with radicals who are not concerned about the state but some fancy Ummah. But you can also discard this and say that this was a propaganda.

In case of Osama, you tell me what you think is the truth.

 

[VCheng]

CIA Incompetent or complicit

I have noticed numerous references to Sept 11 was a set up and that in some way CIA was complicit. I think that is outrageous and probably not true. But then if they were not assisting and helping in the destruction of the twin towers they must have been grossly incompetent. I mean after all some of the terrorists were under their watch. I would love to see your comments CIA and Americans complicit or incompetent. What do you think?

Oh yeah?

What the hell are you gonna actually do about it?

 

[lem34]

Agreed about the propaganda but 9/11 does not concern Pakistan directly. US killed 3000 of it's own so that it could kill some Muslims in a war torn country and with no oil. And I think ISI is quite competent and radical. PNS Mehran incident proved that your armed forces are infested with radicals who are not concerned about the state but some fancy Ummah. But you can also discard this and say that this was a propaganda.

In case of Osama, you tell me what you think is the truth.

i think pakistan is happy to fight war on terror but is not willing to kow tow to american requests to contain china. In so far as osama pakistanis did supply information and obama admitted this lead to osama. ISI is good but its not god that they know everything