CIA Incompetent or complicit

[guest11]

Mate I am asking you about the Osama story, your version of the story.

 

[lem34]

Oh yeah?

What the hell are you gonna actually do about it?

I dont need to do anything once again here I have exposed american hypocracy. I dont need to do anything. Osama yes Osama has already destroyed america even though he is dead he has succeeded. The twin towers was the start it was a symbol of western capitalism. He wanted to destroy america by bleeding its economy. And in case you are living in denial and dont know america has had a s y s t e m i c failure thats right the system has failed. America today is bankrupt and is on the decline. In due course in the next 5 to 10 years UD dollar will no longer be reserve currency. At that stage they wont even be able to affor fuel for their jets. Oh and for you livin in america pertrol will be between 50 to 100 dollars a gallon. Still find it funny?

More to the point what you goin to do. I see you use a chinese name maybe you will come back home lol

 

[VCheng]

I dont need to do anything once again here I have exposed american hypocracy. I dont need to do anything. Osama yes Osama has already destroyed america even though he is dead he has succeeded. The twin towers was the start it was a symbol of western capitalism. He wanted to destroy america by bleeding its economy. And in case you are living in denial and dont know america has had a s y s t e m i c failure thats right the system has failed. America today is bankrupt and is on the decline. In due course in the next 5 to 10 years UD dollar will no longer be reserve currency. At that stage they wont even be able to affor fuel for their jets. Oh and for you livin in america pertrol will be between 50 to 100 dollars a gallon. Still find it funny?

More to the point what you goin to do. I see you use a chinese name maybe you will come back home lol

Let's wait and see what happens. I have full confidence in the US ability to overcome any challenges.

 

[lem34]

Mate I am asking you about the Osama story, your version of the story.

Mate if you read all my posts on this thread you will see easily what I think has happend. Generally on terrorism I think america has got it all wrong. I agree that anyone that commits terrorist acts should be hunted down like a criminal and be dealt with according to law as any other criminal. However the way that america has done it is like a bull in a china shop. Their response has been disproportionate and they may have killed Osama but in their collateral damage they have created more terrorists. I think terrorists should be caught and sorted out. But at the same time we must take away the conditions that create terrorists. After the attack on the twin hours I had a lot of sympathy with americans and I was trying to imagine under what circumstances I could become a terrorist. Then I remembered a couple of years earlier I had seen on tv news a palestinian father cowering behind a wall whilst israeli soldiers were shooting. He had a child of about 5 he was carrying. A bullet had hit the child. The child died. The bullet may have been an accident by the israelies to give them the benefit of doubt but the result was still the same child died. Now I am fortunate in that I have two sons. I love my boys dearly/ I am sure you may have children or nephews or nieces. Imagine if they got killed and you had no recourse to justice through the legal system what would you do. It is concievable that you could hold america responsible after all they provide weapons to israel. The act of terrorism would still be wrong but at least you can understand the process whereby a terrorist is created

 

[guest11]

Mate if you read all my posts on this thread you will see easily what I think has happend. Generally on terrorism I think america has got it all wrong. I agree that anyone that commits terrorist acts should be hunted down like a criminal and be dealt with according to law as any other criminal. However the way that america has done it is like a bull in a china shop. Their response has been disproportionate and they may have killed Osama but in their collateral damage they have created more terrorists. I think terrorists should be caught and sorted out. But at the same time we must take away the conditions that create terrorists. After the attack on the twin hours I had a lot of sympathy with americans and I was trying to imagine under what circumstances I could become a terrorist. Then I remembered a couple of years earlier I had seen on tv news a palestinian father cowering behind a wall whilst israeli soldiers were shooting. He had a child of about 5 he was carrying. A bullet had hit the child. The child died. The bullet may have been an accident by the israelies to give them the benefit of doubt but the result was still the same child died. Now I am fortunate in that I have two sons. I love my boys dearly/ I am sure you may have children or nephews or nieces. Imagine if they got killed and you had no recourse to justice through the legal system what would you do. It is concievable that you could hold america responsible after all they provide weapons to israel. The act of terrorism would still be wrong but at least you can understand the process whereby a terrorist is created

My friend you misunderstood my post. Let me try again. Osama was hiding near a military academy at a place not very far from Pakistan's capital and in a locality where several retired officers live. Let me give you a non Pakistani perspective of this and not specifically Indian. Either Osama was sheltered by ISI or ISI failed to find him before the Americans. Now, I want you to provide your version of story.

Regarding your posts about civilian casualties, it's the bitter truth that war is war. It's not that I don't sympathize with the Palestinians, I do but so do I with the Israeli civilians who live under the constant threat.

Few years back (I think 2008), a Palestinian kid was shot by IDF soldiers when he threw a stone at the tank. Palestinians shouted murder, Israelis said they thought it was a grenade not a stone. Since, you are father yourself, tell me what kind of a man allows his son to roam out on the streets to throw stones at the Israeli soldiers.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Let's wait and see what happens. I have full confidence in the US ability to overcome any challenges.

How long would you wait, 10 Years with 0% outcome both in Iraq and Afghanistan the inflated tall claims.
"Any challenges" is an invalid term used here AFAIK, US has not yet overcome ANY challenges when it comes down to Afghanistan and Iraq, If you are referring to Re-treat as overcoming challenges then this indefinitely applies to US through out the history.

 

[foxbat]

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[LeGenD]

How long would you wait, 10 Years with 0% outcome both in Iraq and Afghanistan the inflated tall claims.
"Any challenges" is an invalid term used here AFAIK, US has not yet overcome ANY challenges when it comes down to Afghanistan and Iraq, If you are referring to Re-treat as overcoming challenges then this indefinitely applies to US through out the history.

Bro, let us not get carried away by the mantra that US has achieved nothing in WOT and Iraq.

By this logic, we have achieved nothing in WOT too because TTP is not finished yet.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Let's wait and see what happens. I have full confidence in the US ability to overcome any challenges.

You mean by passing on WMD's to another Saddam Hussain?

Or maybe assisting the next Gaddafi/Mubarak in torturing political dissidents?

Maybe topple some more democratic regimes ala Iran and South America and impose some more Pinochet's, Shah's and Samoza's?

Good for the US, too bad if you are a resident of the other nations ...

Then again, might be lucky enough to escape with just some STD's after the US treats them as guinea pigs ala Guatemala ...

 

[Luftwaffe]

Bro, let us not get carried away by the mantra that US has achieved nothing in WOT and Iraq.
By this logic, we have achieved nothing in WOT too because TTP is not finished yet.

My logic is in broader sense. Indeed US has achieved nothing but destroyed those invaded nations, regional economies and destabilized whole Middle East and South Asia, only to harm one's own economy..

 

[fd24]

Let's wait and see what happens. I have full confidence in the US ability to overcome any challenges.

You would say that wouldnt you. Looking at history im not confident and worry for vunerable nations where they may be "introduced to americas way of democracy".

 

[muse]

Bro, let us not get carried away by the mantra that US has achieved nothing in WOT and Iraq.

By this logic, we have achieved nothing in WOT too because TTP is not finished yet.

And after all these years, what have achieved against the TTP? -- TTP imposed war on us, Afghanistan and Iraq imposed no war on the US, it was the other way around, Iraq and Afghanistan had to be made safe for democracy and US bases.

 

[cyphercide]

Neither would be my opinion.The CIA did send out reports to their senior military officials as well as their government that Al-Qaeda was determined to strike on American soil and even detailed their plans.It was the former President G.W.Bush who decided to ignore the reports and the briefings.In quintessence,they did perform their duties but were sidetracked by the Republican led government.

Complicity would also be farfetched.The simple reason being they would've done a way better job if they were in on it.If the CIA carried out the "inside job" as proclaimed by the conspiracy theorists,the majority of the hijackers would've been Iraqis and Iranians and not Saudi nationals as it turned out.Most of these bogus assumptions are cooked up by Americans themselves because of their arrogance that low level terrorists can pull off such a sophisticated plan and their inherent level of distrust of their own government.

The fact lies that Al-Qaeda was able to score a hit on the United States because their leadership and not the CIA,was paralyzed.But immediately after 9/11,the Bush administration thought"What a great opportunity to roll out the plans that I had in back of my mind on the pretext of this attack" and proceeded to go ahead with them.

 

[lem34]

Some of you misunderstand why this thread was put up. It was tongue in cheek and using the same logic as american propaganda against the ISI. I find it funny those that use this warped logic against Pakistan and ISI at the same time question it when its used against CIA