CIA chief in Delhi to meet Indian intelligence officials

[Omar1984]

The Hindu News Update Service

CIA chief in Delhi to meet intelligence officials

New Delhi (PTI): CIA Chief Leon Panetta flew in here on Wednesday night to hold talks with top intelligence officials of the country on security cooperation, a fortnight after FBI Director Robert Mueller visited here.

Mr. Panetta, who chose India as his first overseas visit since assuming office, arrived here along with Peter Burleigh, a retired career diplomat, as "Interim Ambassador" to India who will be Charge d' Affairs until the Obama administration finalises its nominee for the post.

Mr. Panetta, during his stay, will meet National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan, RAW Chief K.C. Verma and Intelligence Bureau's Rajiv Mathur and discuss the security situation in the neighbourhood — Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He is likely to leave for Pakistan on Thursday afternoon.

Mr. Burleigh, who will assume as the Charge d' Affairs, is believed to be fluent in Hindi, Bengali, Nepali and Sinhalese.

He was Ambassador to Sri Lanka in the mid-1990s and U.S. Deputy Permanent Representative at the United Nations from 1997-1999.

This is the third high-level visit by an U.S. official to India since 26/11 Mumbai terror strikes beginning with that by Director of National Intelligence John Michel McConnell in the third week of December last year.

This was followed by the visit of Mr. Mueller on March 3.

 

[Omar1984]

Why discuss Pakistan with arch rival India? We all know what kind of input India will give to US on Pakistan. It looks like US is working with India to destabilize Pakistan.

By the way, India is no where near the Pak-Afghan border so I dont know what neighbourhood they are talking about.

 

[RajsParadise]

I believe its norm of diplomacy to priorities the utmost need of the hour which happens to be terrorism and security concerns. And it is evident to every political observer in every part of the world the growing turmoil in the south-asian region and the origin of the same.

Now its not the first time an administration of US has discussed the same with India, and you might have forgotten that India was given a spectator seat for the peace process between Pak-Afghan and USA but it was GoI which was not interested in the same.

Its a new government in U.S, so obviously they would have a diplomatic approach towards India given the Geo-Political relations which both these countries share and on both of these countries agenda, terrorism and security would hold the utmost importance. So, neither of this countries have any interest carrying out any menace to Pak-Afghan expect to bring the peace in the region.

P.S: I read your threads and I appreciate your patriotic and Nationalistic attachment to your country, but please don't give the BS regarding India's presence in Afghan Consulates because you don't have a slightest idea as to why India has opted to have its consulates in Afghanistan.

 

[Omar1984]

P.S: I read your threads and I appreciate your patriotic and Nationalistic attachment to your country, but please don't give the BS regarding India's presence in Afghan Consulates because you don't have a slightest idea as to why India has opted to have its consulates in Afghanistan.

Yes India is in Afghanistan to help Afghanis because thats what Indians love to do help Afghanis because almost all Afghanis are Muslims and Indians just love to help Muslims. We all saw how well Muslims were treated in Gujrat, India by Hindu Majority India in 2002. We all see how more than 35% of people in India (350 million people) live below the poverty line, and most of them Muslims.

Yes Indians are there in Afghanistan to help Muslims.

Theres more Indians living below the poverty line in India than the entire population of Afghanistan, and still you people say you are in Afghanistan to "help" Afghanis. Help your own people first.

We all see what has become of Pakistan after India set foot in Afghanistan. Theres no comaprison of Pakistan today and Pakistan before India made its prescence in Afghanistan.

 

[RajsParadise]

I beg to differ because your advocating the poverty line of a country based on your illusions. Time has taken a turn around a longtime ago when you were dreaming because the poverty line India has been reduced in last decade considerably.

Coming to you conscious effort and '"Rants and Effort" which you are trying so hard by posting threads of Indian Poverty Pics, its evident that your illusional mind has forgot the developing saga of India which we are all proud of and not just we it you tune on to any foreign television channel or ask a political observer will tell their perspective of Indian growth and Pakistan's defiance of democracy.

.. India relation with Afghan has a deeper importance than you would ever think of because of its diplomatic importance and its own fight against terrorism and what India does in Pakistan shouldn't bother her because its complete secured by its army and how come you are blaming India.

... and please stop trolling with these biased pitch of blasphemy towards India because its not helping Pakistan nor is it helping you think on balanced level.

 

[Omar1984]

^ The World Bank estimates that a third of the global poor now reside in India.[citation needed] Income inequality in India (Gini coefficient: 32.5 in year 1999- 2000)[1] is increasing. On the other hand, the Planning Commission of India uses its own criteria and has estimated that 27.5% of the population was living below the poverty line in 2004–2005, down from 51.3% in 1977–1978, and 36% in 1993-1994[2]. The source for this was the 61st round of the National Sample Survey (NSS) and the criterion used was monthly per capita consumption expenditure below Rs. 356.35 for rural areas and Rs. 538.60 for urban areas. 75% of the poor are in rural areas, most of them are daily wagers, self-employed householders and landless labourers.It is estimated that about 42.5 of the children in India suffer from malnutrition in India according to the Report give by the New York Times [3]

India has a higher rate of malnutrition among children under the age of three (46% in year 2007) than any other country in the world.[4][7]

Despite significant economic progress, 1/4 of the nation's population earns less than the government-specified poverty threshold of $0.40/day. Official figures estimate that 27.5%[8] of Indians lived below the national poverty line in 2004-2005.[9] A 2007 report by the state-run National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector (NCEUS) found that 77% of Indians, or 836 million people, lived on less than 20 rupees per day[10] with most working in "informal labour sector with no job or social security, living in abject poverty."[11]


Poverty in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even if 27.5% of Indians are living below the poverty line in India and not 35%, thats more than 275 million people, thats more than Afghanistan's and Pakistan's total populations put together.

As I said before, help your own people first.

 

[RajsParadise]

^ The World Bank estimates that a third of the global poor now reside in India.[citation needed] Income inequality in India (Gini coefficient: 32.5 in year 1999- 2000)[1] is increasing. On the other hand, the Planning Commission of India uses its own criteria and has estimated that 27.5% of the population was living below the poverty line in 2004–2005, down from 51.3% in 1977–1978, and 36% in 1993-1994[2]. The source for this was the 61st round of the National Sample Survey (NSS) and the criterion used was monthly per capita consumption expenditure below Rs. 356.35 for rural areas and Rs. 538.60 for urban areas. 75% of the poor are in rural areas, most of them are daily wagers, self-employed householders and landless labourers.It is estimated that about 42.5 of the children in India suffer from malnutrition in India according to the Report give by the New York Times [3]

Poverty in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even if 27.5% of Indians are living below the poverty line in India and not 35%, thats more than 275 million people, thats more than Afghanistan's and Pakistan's total populations put together.

As I said before, help your own people first.

...

... As I said, you have become delusional because those are the reading of yester years and what does IMF or World bank talk about India After 2001. What is PCI of India, What is its GDP and Purchasing power and what is its Foreign Reserves.

... You are nothing but a BS...

the Planning Commission of India uses its own criteria and has estimated that 27.5% of the population was living below the poverty line in 2004–2005, down from 51.3% in 1977–1978, and 36% in 1993-1994[2]

..Have you observed the trend how in a no time the numbers dwindled than half and what do you think is the % now... So, Please gather yourself first and then comment but don't post blasphemy.

..& Population below poverty line: 24% (FY05/06 est.)

Definition: National estimates of the percentage of the population falling below the poverty line are based on surveys of sub-groups, with the results weighted by the number of people in each group. Definitions of poverty vary considerably among nations. For example, rich nations generally employ more generous standards of poverty than poor nations.

Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of December 18, 2008

.. so that would come to 40 million people in 160 million in Pakistan... So, please enlighten me with this.

 

[Omar1984]

^ India has a higher rate of malnutrition among children under the age of three (46% in year 2007) than any other country in the world.[4][7]

Despite significant economic progress, 1/4 of the nation's population earns less than the government-specified poverty threshold of $0.40/day. Official figures estimate that 27.5%[8] of Indians lived below the national poverty line in 2004-2005.[9] A 2007 report by the state-run National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector (NCEUS) found that 77% of Indians, or 836 million people, lived on less than 20 rupees per day[10] with most working in "informal labour sector with no job or social security, living in abject poverty."[11]

Poverty in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2007 was just 2 years ago, these problems cant be solved in just 2 years, and still India decides to help Afghanis instead of 836 milion Indians living in abject poverty.

 

[RajsParadise]

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[Omar1984]

^ 25% of over 1 billion people is still more than Pakistan's and Afghanistan's entire population put together (rich, middle class, and poor). You have about 300 million people living in India below the poverty line and still you say you want to "help" Afghanis and not the 300 million people below the poverty line.

Pakistan is not acting like India here, no one in Pakistan is shouting superpower or devoting all their energy on a war torn nation so they can destabilize their arch rival.

BTW please provide the link to your source like I've provided in my posts and the source you provided shows data from 2001 when concerning Pakistan and data from 2007 when concerning India so its not reliable. Show statistics from same year.

 

[RajsParadise]

NationMaster - Population below poverty line (most recent) by country



THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 01, 2007

57m people living below poverty line in Pakistan
from The Post

Muhammad Kabir

Islamabad. Pakistan is facing high growth rate of poverty, putting a pressure on the low income group of the country and majority of the masses is living below the poverty line.

Poverty line has been stipulated at the international level. Two-dollar income of a person per day is considered the poverty line. All the persons who earn less than two dollars per day live below the poverty line.

According to a UNDP report, 65.5 per cent population of Pakistan earns less than two dollars per day. According to the Social Policy Development Centre (SPDC), 88 per cent of Balochistan population, 51 per cent of NWFP, 21 per cent of Sindh and 25 per cent of the Punjab's population is prey to poverty and deprivation.

According to the report of SPDC in Sindh, rural poverty is 49 per cent while the urban poverty ratio is 23 per cent, in Punjab, the poverty ratio of rural areas is 30 per cent while the urban areas' poverty ratio is 26 per cent. According to the recent report of Asian Development Bank (ADB), 57 million people in Pakistan are living below the poverty line.

According to the ADB report, poverty is spreading in Pakistan due to the rising population, Pakistan's internal situation, agriculture backwardness, unequal income distribution, defence expenditure, increase in utility charges and rise in unproductive activities.

Due to rapid growth of population, the number of dependents is increasing; earners have to carry the burden of the increasing number of dependents. This situation is leading to decrease in the per capita income of the people of the country.

The law and order situation in Pakistan is not satisfactory and hampering the local and foreign investment; suicide bombing and law and order problems are damaging the Pakistan economy.

The poor governance is also increasing poverty in the country. The largest sector of the economy, the agri sector, is heading towards backwardness as 93 per cent of the farmers are concerned with small farms whose per capita land is less then 10 acres.

On the other side, the unequal income distribution in the country is increasing day by day. A few number of people have captured business and industry; they are charging abnormally higher prices for their products which are inferior in quality.

The rising defence expenditure, resource shortage, debt burden and tax revenue shortfalls are some other reasons for poverty.

The prices of utilities like electricity, gas and water etc often go on rising.
http://povertynewsblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/57m-people-living-below-poverty-line-in.html

 

[RajsParadise]

All I want to say is lets stop Ranting each other because we have better things to talk about and you know what I have seen you ranting about this earlier and you will keep on coming with some stupid journal or remote link in which I am not interested in because I know how India is Looked upon and how Pakistan is also looked upon. So, I rest my case because I know the verdict of the people world wide.

 

[Omar1984]

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The real Slumdogs of India

By Percy Barnevik
Chairman of charity Hand in Hand




Slumdog Millionaire has triumphed at the Oscars, winning eight Academy Awards.

Cinemas all over the Western world have been filled with audiences gasping at its hard-hitting portrayal of India's underworld of brutal poverty.

This is an India far removed from the modern call centres and computer companies.

My background is as an industrialist and chief executive, who has been active in India for 40 years.

During the early 1990s I advised the Indian government on its reform policies, and fought to open bridges between the country and the West.

I have supported investments of millions of dollars in plants and research centres across the country.

Although I was working in the growing India, among well-educated and well-fed Indians, I was always aware of the "other" India.

'Empowerment'

Some seven years ago I switched track, and now work with the vast India characterised by extreme poverty, as chairman of the charity Hand in Hand.

Out of India's population, 76% live below the poverty limit of $2 a day, compared to 73% in Sub-Saharan Africa


So far Hand in Hand has enrolled 387,000 extremely poor women.

They are trained in finance and enterprise creation, and supported with micro-loans.

They have started 215,000 enterprises in production, trade and services, and currently establish around 400 new enterprises per day.

The reality is that when the women start businesses, they get empowered at all levels. They eat more, earn more, read better, become more active in local government.

Hand in Hand has also helped some 30,000 children, who were labouring, back into its 100 schools.

'Neglected'

It has surprised me greatly to see Indian poverty so largely neglected by the international aid community. When Gordon Brown, Bob Geldof or Bill Clinton talk world poverty, it is all Africa.


The charity enables women to set up their own businesses

It is true that Africa has desperate and unique problems, and Hand in Hand is also active in South Africa with its job-creation model.

But we must not push for Africa at the expense of India's poor. They are equally in need of help.

One third of all the world's ultra poor are Indians. 40% of all malnourished children are Indian.

Out of India's population, 76% live below the poverty limit of $2 a day, compared to 73% in Sub-Saharan Africa. That is 800 million people living in abject poverty - in one country.

'Indian inspiration'

The efforts to eradicate poverty must from now on include India, both in rhetoric and resources.


Mr Barnevik says his charity's model could be used in other nations

The fight against global poverty can also be greatly inspired by Indian methods.

We have seen that, with tight cost control, it is possible to create a job for some $50.

This means taking a woman living on less than $2 (£1.40) per day, and within one to two years turning her into a self-sustaining entrepreneur, with a business generated income supporting an average of five or six people.

This cost is a one-off. It is a fishing rod rather than a fish.

With the reallocation of some 5 to 6% of the world's aid budgets, and using a self-help model, we could see a massive improvement in the living standards of the world's poor in the next 10 to 20 years.

These self-help models, now growing among the entrepreneurial ultra-poor Indians, show that India could lead the way in the fight against poverty.

When I watch the Oscars on Sunday, I will keep my fingers crossed for Slumdog Millionaire. It has given face and voice to the poorest of India, whom I have learnt to love and respect.


BBC NEWS | Business | The real Slumdogs of India

Your superpower is being compared to Africa here.

 

[Omar1984]

Poverty News Blog: 57m people living below poverty line in Pakistan

You gave a source from a blog from 2007, which is not reliable, and I have given a source from BBC news from 2009, which is reliable.

 

[M_Saint]

The Hindu News Update Service

CIA chief in Delhi to meet intelligence officials

New Delhi (PTI): CIA Chief Leon Panetta flew in here on Wednesday night to hold talks with top intelligence officials of the country on security cooperation, a fortnight after FBI Director Robert Mueller visited here.

Mr. Panetta, who chose India as his first overseas visit since assuming office, arrived here along with Peter Burleigh, a retired career diplomat, as "Interim Ambassador" to India who will be Charge d' Affairs until the Obama administration finalises its nominee for the post.

Mr. Panetta, during his stay, will meet National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan, RAW Chief K.C. Verma and Intelligence Bureau's Rajiv Mathur and discuss the security situation in the neighbourhood — Pakistan and Afghanistan.

He is likely to leave for Pakistan on Thursday afternoon.

Mr. Burleigh, who will assume as the Charge d' Affairs, is believed to be fluent in Hindi, Bengali, Nepali and Sinhalese.

He was Ambassador to Sri Lanka in the mid-1990s and U.S. Deputy Permanent Representative at the United Nations from 1997-1999.

This is the third high-level visit by an U.S. official to India since 26/11 Mumbai terror strikes beginning with that by Director of National Intelligence John Michel McConnell in the third week of December last year.

This was followed by the visit of Mr. Mueller on March 3.

It's very interesting to see the timing of such visit since it is happenning right after justice IMC's reinstatement along with the lick of the news of extending drone attack in Baluchistan (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/world/asia/18terror.html?_r=1&ref=world). A well known fact is that IMC's restoration has been resisted by INDO-ZION due to his pursuation of the 'Missing people's' case that would open the pendora box of how bogus is the rational of so-called WOT. For the first time the war criminals are panicking and in BR forum, their chamchas are predicting their demise in Afganistan. It is amazing to see how organized and determind those criminals are to anhiliate practicing Muslims throughout the world.