Taimikhan, you don't seem to understand. You've maintained sanctuaries for the enemies of over forty nations inside Afghanistan as part of the U.N. stabilization mandate. From those sanctuaries, the afghan taliban have made war upon the afghan people, ISAF, NGOs, correspondents, and U.N. officials. They've all died at the hands of the men whom Pakistan has protected since their ouster from Afghanistan.
Sir, you worry about the sanctuaries in Pakistan, and the danger to the 40 occupying countries under US led mandate to occupy Afghanistan, and tell us to forget our worries for Pakistan's security which is emerging from Afghanistan ?? How ironic. Two way worry would have worked, your guys worry for our security and do something across the border, then we will worry for your security and do our part. But it can't be one sided, that you ask us to take care of your worries, while ours grow with each passing day on your side of the border. No way. Your guys wanna play double games, so why can't we play the same game. Why so much hypocrisy. ???
There are no greater drug or warlords than the afghan taliban. Opium in Afghanistan is worst in the lands where they've had free run and have long been their traditional stronghold-Helmand and Kandahar. They set their own cultivation records while in power and only eradicated opium when they realized how desperately they were isolated.
Why have they free run ?? what are the 100K+ occupying forces and the ANA doing there other then having fun in their bases, few times doing patrols and once in a while launch fancy named operations which in the end yield no results. Why don't you ask them to do something about this drug trade and choke their drug money line ?? Why don't US forces make a push into these strongholds and make a permanent stay and build upon their progress ??? Plzz see the other side of the picture too rather then concentrating on just one.
You've long known this information but persist in delusion. About time you think through the implications of sanctuary and proxy warfare and why it's so heinous.
A reciprocal approach from your good self would be appreciated.
You also suffer from the belief that these bombings suffered by Pakistan are foreign directed. It pacifies your angst about being opposed to the rest of mankind to feel victimized.
Yet the rest of mankind sees NOTHING in Afghanistan. Nothing. How is this? So many countries besides America? Your tribals were infected by the men whom you host. Plain and simple. Those are Pakistani muslims killing Pakistani muslims and you best come to grips with that fact.
Well you guys suffer and feel victimized by the sanctuaries on this side of the border and feel it to be foreign directed, so do we as the weapons, explosives and men come and go from your side of the border. So would be best if you guys also come to grips with the factssssssss.
Why do I know so? Taimikhan, you send fine tribal Pakistani sons under the direction of your own citizens-Maulvi Nazir and Hafez Gul Bahadur to kill muslim Afghans all the time. How can they be good muslim men and make war on the afghan people as they do? If they can do so then surely others from the same region wishing that the Pakistani people experience the same pleasures as the afghan people might also do so. Baitullah Mehsud believed so. He travelled to Afghanistan five times to help implement sharia.
BM had nothing to do with Sharia nor with Afghanistan, gets these facts corrected. Even if he sent men to Afghanistan, those were to get little combat experience so that he has a combat experienced force to fight against PA. If they Afghan Taliban had anything to do with him or his men, by now we would have seen an influx of men from across the border and a bloody battle with PA would have commenced by now, but on the contrary the lack of support by anyone from across the border clearly suggests that BM had no link to Afghanistan, rather he was supported and created for one sole purpose by someone from across the border. And first you and your guys control the Afghan joining the ranks of Taliban, then you come and tell us why sons of these tribes go over the border. They see US led occupying forces as invaders, which will bring people from anywhere across the globe. Hope you saw the 5 Americans caught in Pakistan, coming to Pakistan to take part in this so called Jihad. If you guys can be brainwashed with labeling us, Pakistan as the bad guy without even looking into the reality, same can be said about these tribes being brainwashed making you guys as the Invaders.
He only wished the same for you.
He never wished the same, he wished something else. Saying something and implementing something on the ground level speaks volume. He couldn't implement Shariah in his own controlled area and onto his men, what to speak about rest of Pakistan.
You know the UNAMA data which shows that nearly 60% of all afghans in this war die at the hands of the afghan taliban, correct? You know that about 60% of those die by taliban IEDs, correct? That adds up to about 40% of all afghan deaths caused by taliban IEDs.
Do you have the figure of the thousands killed alone during the US bombings at the time of the invasion ??? Or do you have the figure of the people dying of malnourishment at the time of US invasion as thousands of people depended on UN food items could not get them due to the American invasion ?? Or the ones killed due to walking on foot in the snow filled mountains at the time of invasion as they ran out of food ?? Or the ones who were extremely ill and killed due to non availability of medicines and other equipment due to the on going US invasion ??
Can you give me the figure of how many of the IEDs killing civilians were accepted by the Taliban to be their doing ?? And by they way where did i said i favor the Afghan into killing innocent human beings, be it Afghan or Pakistani ? That you had to bring in this figure. All i said was US attacks here with drones saying there are sanctuaries, so should we by attacking the sanctuaries on that side of the border. You guys do your job by eliminating the threat to you, while we finish the threat faced by us on that side of the border. Equal Partnership.
Afghan taliban IEDs from the men whom you protect. There are claims that the taliban control 90% of Afghanistan. What nonsense! You've seen the ICOS map, correct?
Here, let me remind you-
ICOS Map-Afghanistan Jan-Sept. 2009
80%. But when we read the legend, we learn that isn't 80% CONTROL. No, it defines the areas that have experience one lethal or non-lethal insurgent attack per week. That's the worst areas and goes down from there.
Well the 90% figure is a first for me, nor i have heard or seen so far on this forum. We knew the 72% figure, thanks for updating us with the 80% figure.
Well Pakistanis die by VBIEDs, gun attacks, butchered alive etc etc by the people who get support from your side of the border. So if you have tears for the Afghans killed by the Taliban given protection on this side of the border, why can't you have tears instead of smiles for the ones killed on this side of the border, with support and material coming from your side of the border. Strange hypocrisy.
If we were to apply the same standard to Peshawar, we'd say the taliban control it now. Is that true? Of course not. Neither is the urban myth so commonly spewed here about Afghanistan any more true.
Well if you wish to give the standard to Peshawar, its upto you, but the ground realities would be different. Plus these 80% figures are not given by us or by Pakistan, its your own western or UN run agencies which give the figure, so why the anger on us for quoting these figures. Ask them why and how they quote these figures.
Sadly, most won't consider even this obvious and grave misunderstanding of the current situation. They prefer to believe that 90% of Afghanistan is under taliban control. It is the WISH of most here that the taliban come to past.
Well those who wish for Taliban to be back are mistaken, nor do i want them back. But if we look at the hypocrisy of US and other occupiers and the danger faced by Pakistan from Afghanistan, then taliban would be a better option as they will not be attacking or posing danger of the magnitude as US and its occupiers and collaborators give us.
Pakistan is on a path to self-destruction and is so by its own hand. I hope for its sake that changes very soon. One of the worst ways for Pakistan to find salvation will come if the PAF launches airstrikes against Afghanistan.
That probably wouldn't be the smartest thing to do.
Well time will tell who is on the self destruct path and who will destruct. And there is no salvation by PAF bombing, that is the right thing to do, as US forces are unable to stop the infiltration from their side of the border. So if you guys can send in drones to take out Taliban and AQ who are a threat to you, why shouldn't we do the same to end the threat we face from your side ???? Again hypocrisy at its best.
Yet the rest of mankind sees NOTHING in Afghanistan. Nothing. How is this? So many countries besides America?
Well when a bully like US is around and controlling things, then it becomes very hard for others to even speak a word even if they are seeing the truth infront of them.
Its just like a guy has a muzzle of a pistol pointed at his head and is sit to watch a rape going in front of him, but the fear of losing his own life makes him not speak a single word let alone move his head in despair.
I believe i don't have to quote the hundreds of examples when hundreds & thousands of innocents die at some country's hands and UN security council can't even pass a resolution condemning the act, why because the big bully has the veto power to veto the any such resolution which it doesn't likes.
Also, if you have access to CIA chief somehow, do ask him what was provided & shown to him during his last visit to Pakistan, as i have a good idea about that.
