CIA agents raped "terrorism" suspects by shoving garden hoses up their rectums and turning on the water.

[TheNoob]

Considering what they do normally, this is quite humane of them.

 

[AA_]

Not really. They have crimes to answer for.

Why do you come on this forum without anything productive to say, at least on Pakistani related news, but you’re captain America defending the US acts of tortures.
Did you lose your morality when becoming a U.S. citizen? Passionately disclaiming torture didn’t occur, or it was deserved. I’m 100% you’re a flag flagging Indian who’s managed to fool some of the Pakistani members here.

I can tell you without a doubt that torture which included rapes of women and minors across Iraq and Afghanistan by the US and her allies. Go read up on the Abu Gharib reports.

Torture at Abu Ghraib

American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?

www.newyorker.com

To the MODs, It’s obvious this guy is not a Pakistani. He lurks around lecturing us, while passionately defending the US (right or wrong), taking shots against the Chinese on their sub-forums.

Compare his posts to that of an Indian - both speak in the style - not adding anything worthwhile while passionately defending the US or India. Look at his username, not a single Pakistani I know is that petty to use name from another culture as if he’s actively trying to piss off the Chinese while mocking us. The Indians do that on this forums and on YT - use names from another culture and claim to be XYZ.

Why is this fool allowed to this?

 

[TheNoob]

Why do you come on this forum without anything productive to say, at least on Pakistani related news, but you’re captain America defending the US acts of tortures.
Did you lose your morality when becoming a U.S. citizen? Passionately disclaiming torture didn’t occur, or it was deserved. I’m 100% you’re a flag flagging Indian who’s managed to fool some of the Pakistani members here.

I can tell you without a doubt that torture which included rapes of women and minors across Iraq and Afghanistan by the US and her allies. Go read up on the Abu Gharib reports.

Torture at Abu Ghraib

American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?

www.newyorker.com

To the MODs, It’s obvious this guy is not a Pakistani. He lurks around lecturing us, while passionately defending the US (right or wrong), taking shots against the Chinese on their sub-forums.

Compare his posts to that of an Indian - both speak in the style - not adding anything worthwhile while passionately defending the US or India. Look at his username, not a single Pakistani I know is that petty to use name from another culture as if he’s actively trying to piss off the Chinese while mocking us. The Indians do that on this forums and on YT - use names from another culture and claim to be XYZ.

Why is this fool allowed to this?

Actually dropping all morality and sheer patriotism is a prerequisite to maintaining citizenship.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Why do you come on this forum without anything productive to say, at least on Pakistani related news, but you’re captain America defending the US acts of tortures.
Did you lose your morality when becoming a U.S. citizen? Passionately disclaiming torture didn’t occur, or it was deserved. I’m 100% you’re a flag flagging Indian who’s managed to fool some of the Pakistani members here.

I can tell you without a doubt that torture which included rapes of women and minors across Iraq and Afghanistan by the US and her allies. Go read up on the Abu Gharib reports.

Torture at Abu Ghraib

American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?

www.newyorker.com

To the MODs, It’s obvious this guy is not a Pakistani. He lurks around lecturing us, while passionately defending the US (right or wrong), taking shots against the Chinese on their sub-forums.

Compare his posts to that of an Indian - both speak in the style - not adding anything worthwhile while passionately defending the US or India. Look at his username, not a single Pakistani I know is that petty to use name from another culture as if he’s actively trying to piss off the Chinese while mocking us. The Indians do that on this forums and on YT - use names from another culture and claim to be XYZ.

Why is this fool allowed to this?

He isn’t a Pakistani. Either Gora trained in Urdu from Defense language institute now out of active duty working as a contractor for cyber command or could be Indian American trained and now working for cyber command.

This guy @VChang the isreali guy @Beny … and This @ ABDUL MAJEED or something. They are working to monitor and counter online propaganda on forum.

 

[VCheng]

I can tell you without a doubt that torture which included rapes of women and minors across Iraq and Afghanistan by the US and her allies.

And I can tell you that was NOT the CIA, it was NOT at Guantanamo, and it is NOT the topic of this thread.

Why is this fool allowed to this?

May be because YOU are the fool who is wrong in ALL those conclusions?

Actually dropping all morality and sheer patriotism is a prerequisite to maintaining citizenship.

Thank you for telling us that about Pakistanis. That would explain the condition of the country very well.

He isn’t a Pakistani. Either Gora trained in Urdu from Defense language institute now out of active duty working as a contractor for cyber command or could be Indian American trained and now working for cyber command.

Well, if you know that, then obviously YOU are the covert cyberops guy here.








Now, everybody take a deep breath and consider reading the actual report about the topic in this thread, so that there can be a civilized discussion, if possible. Thanks y'all!

 

[AA_]

He isn’t a Pakistani. Either Gora trained in Urdu from Defense language institute now out of active duty working as a contractor for cyber command or could be Indian American trained and now working for cyber command.

This guy @VChang the isreali guy @Beny … and This @ ABDUL MAJEED or something. They are working to monitor and counter online propaganda on forum.

Yeah I could believe that. I’m familiar with the Mujeeb dude’s writing. Another mentally sick individual, plenty of us them to our East. I usually see them on the comments section of news sites or YT always badmouthing Islam and Muslims and they alway use a Muslim name to claim xyz - like “Raj - ex Muslim.” Some of them are here on this forum too. Their obsession can only be cooled by few Shaheens.

I came across one moron that didn’t hide his information when he was leaving comments on some random IG video of a Pakistani woman. I took all of his information with screenshots of the comments reported him to his university. He was a Computer Science Grad student at U of Florida, here on a student visa and in his down time, harasses Pakistani women. **** around and find out. I for one don’t play that game especially them.

This Vcheng most likely befriended an Overseas Pakistani (OSP) here and somehow “verify” his identity as that of a Pakistani, and then used that endorsement by claiming he’s Pakistani. Some of us OSPs aren’t familiar with Pakistan as intimate and this false flagger probably likely reached out to one, and after a few conversations and answering a few simple questions by providing just the bare minimum knowledge, got an endorsement.

Either way, you can actually see it in his writing, the burning passions he has against China, and now here for the Pro - US sentimentality. It’s obvious there was mass torture going on across there.

He denies that no torture took place, in spite clear evidence to the contrary. Why would someone do that unless they have some sort of interest to spread misinformation.

Guantánamo prisoner details torture for first time: ‘I thought I was going to die’ | Guantánamo Bay | The Guardian

Al-Qaida courier, who could be freed next year despite 26-year sentence, tells court of interrogators’ horrific treatment

amp.theguardian.com

Legacy of the “Dark Side”

Two decades after the attacks of September 11, 2001, and the arrival of the first terrorism suspects at Guantánamo Bay on January 11, 2002, many Americans may not recall details of the systematic abuses carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and US military against...

www.hrw.org

Actually dropping all morality and sheer patriotism is a prerequisite to maintaining citizenship.

For some, like the above poster, yes. But most of us do not lose that Islamic morality. We’re hated the Europeans and Hindus for not “assimilating” to their standards, that Hindus are proud off ie name change, converting to Christianity etc. , you can maintain both morality and allegiance to your new country by not actively supporting death, destruction, and war on innocent people. I’m one of them, and people who I was friends with, they stopped talking to me when I spoke out against the war in Iraq prior to the invasion. 15 years later, the same friends and I were at a restaurant during the rise of Daesh. Same friends were bemoaning that we need to do something. I brought up our conversation from February 2002 of the consequences of going invading a middle country and all of them went quiet. They’re heavily brainwashed here to support the official agenda whatever that may be.

Some of us kept quiet post 9/11 because the environment here was that of India under Modi. Our first generation and second generation born family - many became activists because they saw what type of weak positions the immigrants were in, ie had to take the punches. It’s not the case anymore.

 

[VCheng]

This Vcheng most likely befriended an Overseas Pakistani (OSP) here and somehow “verify” his identity as that of a Pakistani, and then used that endorsement by claiming he’s Pakistani. Some of us OSPs aren’t familiar with Pakistan as intimate and this false flagger probably likely reached out to one, and after a few conversations and answering a few simple questions by providing just the bare minimum knowledge, got an endorsement.

Oh wow, you must be one of those FBI profilers or something that solves crimes for them just by looking at the murder scene.

Pity you are so wrong, so you must not be very good at that either.

For some, like the above poster, yes. But most of us do not lose that Islamic morality. We’re hated the Europeans and Hindus for not “assimilating” to their standards, that Hindus are proud off ie name change, converting to Christianity etc. , you can maintain both morality and allegiance to your new country by not actively supporting death, destruction, and war on innocent people. I’m one of them, and people who I was friends with, they stopped talking to me when I spoke out against the war in Iraq prior to the invasion. 15 years later, the same friends and I were at a restaurant during the rise of Daesh. Same friends were bemoaning that we need to do something. I brought up our conversation from February 2002 of the consequences of going invading a middle country and all of them went quiet. They’re heavily brainwashed here to support the official agenda whatever that may be.

Ah yes, we can see the results of the proud morality that you claim very clearly wherever such self-righteous pontificators aggregate.




Now, @Jango can we please do something to stay on topic here? Thanks.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Yeah I could believe that. I’m familiar with the Mujeeb dude’s writing. Another mentally sick individual, plenty of us them to our East. I usually see them on the comments section of news sites or YT always badmouthing Islam and Muslims and they alway use a Muslim name to claim xyz - like “Raj - ex Muslim.” Some of them are here on this forum too. Their obsession can only be cooled by few Shaheens.

I came across one moron that didn’t hide his information when he was leaving comments on some random IG video of a Pakistani woman. I took all of his information with screenshots of the comments reported him to his university. He was a Computer Science Grad student at U of Florida, here on a student visa and in his down time, harasses Pakistani women. **** around and find out. I for one don’t play that game especially them.

This Vcheng most likely befriended an Overseas Pakistani (OSP) here and somehow “verify” his identity as that of a Pakistani, and then used that endorsement by claiming he’s Pakistani. Some of us OSPs aren’t familiar with Pakistan as intimate and this false flagger probably likely reached out to one, and after a few conversations and answering a few simple questions by providing just the bare minimum knowledge, got an endorsement.

Either way, you can actually see it in his writing, the burning passions he has against China, and now here for the Pro - US sentimentality. It’s obvious there was mass torture going on across there.

He denies that no torture took place, in spite clear evidence to the contrary. Why would someone do that unless they have some sort of interest to spread misinformation.

Guantánamo prisoner details torture for first time: ‘I thought I was going to die’ | Guantánamo Bay | The Guardian

Al-Qaida courier, who could be freed next year despite 26-year sentence, tells court of interrogators’ horrific treatment

amp.theguardian.com

Legacy of the “Dark Side”

Two decades after the attacks of September 11, 2001, and the arrival of the first terrorism suspects at Guantánamo Bay on January 11, 2002, many Americans may not recall details of the systematic abuses carried out by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and US military against...

www.hrw.org

For some, like the above poster, yes. But most of us do not lose that Islamic morality. We’re hated the Europeans and Hindus for not “assimilating” to their standards, that Hindus are proud off ie name change, converting to Christianity etc. , you can maintain both morality and allegiance to your new country by not actively supporting death, destruction, and war on innocent people. I’m one of them, and people who I was friends with, they stopped talking to me when I spoke out against the war in Iraq prior to the invasion. 15 years later, the same friends and I were at a restaurant during the rise of Daesh. Same friends were bemoaning that we need to do something. I brought up our conversation from February 2002 of the consequences of going invading a middle country and all of them went quiet. They’re heavily brainwashed here to support the official agenda whatever that may be.

Some of us kept quiet post 9/11 because the environment here was that of India under Modi. Our first generation and second generation born family - many became activists because they saw what type of weak positions the immigrants were in, ie had to take the punches. It’s not the case anymore.

So this VChang type people don’t have to befriend any to pass as a Pakistani. If he went through language course, everything is already setup for him by the dept to do his job. Including dozen locals desis to train and guide Him through.

I’m one of them, and people who I was friends with, they stopped talking to me when I spoke out against the war in Iraq prior to the invasion

Were they Desi or non desis?

 

[AA_]

Were they Desi or non desis?

They were non desis, but stupid. We were all jocks. I was different from them because I was muslim and enjoyed history and geo politics at a young age.
I don’t think he’s a cyber agent. He has the subservient attitude that some desis displayed. But the way he defends the US actions when clearly as I posted in the other posts, they did torture. I’m leaning towards another Indian claiming to be Pakistani. They love doing that.

They’ve been programmed to hate their own like crab in a bucket. Remember, colonialism really did a number on our people, and then 9/11. That inner desire to proclaim to the world that we’re not Islamic extremists - because for some of them, the mental slavery never ended. For example, you noticed how they give free stuff to all those western vloggers in Pakistan. They used to treat the Indian visitors the same way during Musharrafs aman ki tamasha days. We just saw how disgustedly some of the mental slave sat at the feet of that Indian poet. Despicable behavior.
There’s was that “plot” to hijack a Pakistan naval ship supposedly during Mushy’s days. They claimed it was an Al Qaeda plot, but I remembered reading the guy behind it - the Pakistani sailor was upset at how subservient the Pakistan naval officers were to the Americans during a joint training operations. For example - PN naval officers were saluting the USN lower enlisted (non officers) out of subservient, which incense the Pakistani sailor.
When you start traveling and seeing the work how it is, you adopt an unapologetic mindset, which frankly is missing in some parts of the Pakistani society.

 

[Dalit]

Why do you come on this forum without anything productive to say, at least on Pakistani related news, but you’re captain America defending the US acts of tortures.
Did you lose your morality when becoming a U.S. citizen? Passionately disclaiming torture didn’t occur, or it was deserved. I’m 100% you’re a flag flagging Indian who’s managed to fool some of the Pakistani members here.

I can tell you without a doubt that torture which included rapes of women and minors across Iraq and Afghanistan by the US and her allies. Go read up on the Abu Gharib reports.

Torture at Abu Ghraib

American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?

www.newyorker.com

To the MODs, It’s obvious this guy is not a Pakistani. He lurks around lecturing us, while passionately defending the US (right or wrong), taking shots against the Chinese on their sub-forums.

Compare his posts to that of an Indian - both speak in the style - not adding anything worthwhile while passionately defending the US or India. Look at his username, not a single Pakistani I know is that petty to use name from another culture as if he’s actively trying to piss off the Chinese while mocking us. The Indians do that on this forums and on YT - use names from another culture and claim to be XYZ.

Why is this fool allowed to this?

Let me tell you what he is. A mini version of Donald Lu.

 

[VCheng]

They were non desis, but stupid. We were all jocks. I was different from them because I was muslim and enjoyed history and geo politics at a young age.
I don’t think he’s a cyber agent. He has the subservient attitude that some desis displayed. But the way he defends the US actions when clearly as I posted in the other posts, they did torture. I’m leaning towards another Indian claiming to be Pakistani. They love doing that.

They’ve been programmed to hate their own like crab in a bucket. Remember, colonialism really did a number on our people, and then 9/11. That inner desire to proclaim to the world that we’re not Islamic extremists - because for some of them, the mental slavery never ended. For example, you noticed how they give free stuff to all those western vloggers in Pakistan. They used to treat the Indian visitors the same way during Musharrafs aman ki tamasha days. We just saw how disgustedly some of the mental slave sat at the feet of that Indian poet. Despicable behavior.
There’s was that “plot” to hijack a Pakistan naval ship supposedly during Mushy’s days. They claimed it was an Al Qaeda plot, but I remembered reading the guy behind it - the Pakistani sailor was upset at how subservient the Pakistan naval officers were to the Americans during a joint training operations. For example - PN naval officers were saluting the USN lower enlisted (non officers) out of subservient, which incense the Pakistani sailor.
When you start traveling and seeing the work how it is, you adopt an unapologetic mindset, which frankly is missing in some parts of the Pakistani society.

I will let the irony of your persistence in discussing the posters and not the content of the posts speaks for itself as evidence that you have no coherent argument, or simply are intent on refusing to see reality. Luckily, removing your ignorance is not my responsibility.

So this VChang type people don’t have to befriend any to pass as a Pakistani. If he went through language course, everything is already setup for him by the dept to do his job. Including dozen locals desis to train and guide Him through.

Can you please send over a few of these dozen desi locals to come and help me clean my driveway of the half a foot of snow? I need to go to work.








To remain on topic, please keep in mind that 9/11 was a huge event in recent US history. The two countries most responsible for it were Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. However, given the importance of both of them to US national interests, long term changes need to be set in motion to ensure that those goals continue to be met. And here we are.

Those who wish to fixate on merely portraying USA as the great evil are only doing so to hide their own country's willing involvement in these long term changes, because the blunt truths that I continue to state are simply too uncomfortable for them to realize. Since realization of a problem is the first step in trying to solve it, Pakistan in particular continues to enlarge its own glory hole, until the inevitable rupture.

 

[Dalit]

I will let the irony of your persistence in discussing the posters and not the content of the posts speaks for itself as evidence that you have no coherent argument, or simply are intent on refusing to see it. Luckliy, removing your ignorance is not my responsibility.



Can you please send over a few of these dozen desis to come and help me clean my driveway of the half a foot of snow? I need to go to work.








To remain on topic, please keep in mind that 9/11 was a huge event in recent US history. The two countries most responsible for it were Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. However, given the importance of both of them to US national interests, long term changes need to be set in motion to ensure that those goals continue to be met. And here we are.

Those who wish to fixate on merely portraying USA as the great evil are only doing so to hide their own country's willing involvement is these long term changes, because the blunt truths that I continue to state are simply to uncomfortable for them to realize. Since realization of a problem is the first step in trying to solve it, Pakistan in particular continues to enlarge its own glory hole, until the inevitable rupture.

Why are the Americans holding private sessions with Imran Khan?

 

[Genghis khan1]

They were non desis, but stupid. We were all jocks. I was different from them because I was muslim and enjoyed history and geo politics at a young age.
I don’t think he’s a cyber agent. He has the subservient attitude that some desis displayed. But the way he defends the US actions when clearly as I posted in the other posts, they did torture. I’m leaning towards another Indian claiming to be Pakistani. They love doing that.

They’ve been programmed to hate their own like crab in a bucket. Remember, colonialism really did a number on our people, and then 9/11. That inner desire to proclaim to the world that we’re not Islamic extremists - because for some of them, the mental slavery never ended. For example, you noticed how they give free stuff to all those western vloggers in Pakistan. They used to treat the Indian visitors the same way during Musharrafs aman ki tamasha days. We just saw how disgustedly some of the mental slave sat at the feet of that Indian poet. Despicable behavior.
There’s was that “plot” to hijack a Pakistan naval ship supposedly during Mushy’s days. They claimed it was an Al Qaeda plot, but I remembered reading the guy behind it - the Pakistani sailor was upset at how subservient the Pakistan naval officers were to the Americans during a joint training operations. For example - PN naval officers were saluting the USN lower enlisted (non officers) out of subservient, which incense the Pakistani sailor.
When you start traveling and seeing the work how it is, you adopt an unapologetic mindset, which frankly is missing in some parts of the Pakistani society.

Some enlisted USN ranks use golden metal insignia on uniform, it’s not uncommon for enlisted troops from others US services to mistaken them as an officer and salute them. It’s a running joke in Navy. I don’t know if PN officers were doing it cuz they also mistook their rank as officer or was it really subservient.

 

[Genghis khan1]

They were non desis, but stupid. We were all jocks. I was different from them because I was muslim and enjoyed history and geo politics at a young age.
I don’t think he’s a cyber agent. He has the subservient attitude that some desis displayed. But the way he defends the US actions when clearly as I posted in the other posts, they did torture. I’m leaning towards another Indian claiming to be Pakistani. They love doing that.

They’ve been programmed to hate their own like crab in a bucket. Remember, colonialism really did a number on our people, and then 9/11. That inner desire to proclaim to the world that we’re not Islamic extremists - because for some of them, the mental slavery never ended. For example, you noticed how they give free stuff to all those western vloggers in Pakistan. They used to treat the Indian visitors the same way during Musharrafs aman ki tamasha days. We just saw how disgustedly some of the mental slave sat at the feet of that Indian poet. Despicable behavior.
There’s was that “plot” to hijack a Pakistan naval ship supposedly during Mushy’s days. They claimed it was an Al Qaeda plot, but I remembered reading the guy behind it - the Pakistani sailor was upset at how subservient the Pakistan naval officers were to the Americans during a joint training operations. For example - PN naval officers were saluting the USN lower enlisted (non officers) out of subservient, which incense the Pakistani sailor.
When you start traveling and seeing the work how it is, you adopt an unapologetic mindset, which frankly is missing in some parts of the Pakistani society.

Agent is a federal officer with degree and years of training. He could be just one of many folks who were trained in Urdu by military or state dept for specific job, or could be one of the disgruntled minority groups who hate mainstream Islam. Guy is working for money. He is here to promote certain line of propaganda and out very give calculated answer. He wouldn’t revile information. He is trained propagandist.

Remember dozens of enlisted soldiers in intelligence gets trained in speaking Urdu every years. They speak better (educated) Urdu than most Pakistanis. Once they leave military, they find jobs anywhere govt need Urdu language skill but with security clearances.

 

[VCheng]

Agent is a federal officer with degree and years of training. He could be just one of many folks who were trained in Urdu by military or state dept for specific job, or could be one of the disgruntled minority groups who hate mainstream Islam. Guy is working for money. He is here to promote certain line of propaganda and out very give calculated answer. He would revile information. He is trained propagandist.

Or not.