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Chumik Operation 1989

Mumm-Ra said:
And once again we took the words of pathological liars and laid the price of it. Basically, it is winner takes all. So why didn’t we force them off again?
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well you cant blame them for this one atleast....Kargil was on at this very time, we started it :D
 
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DESERT FIGHTER said:
Chumik Operation
Introduction
WarOperation1.jpg

The Siachen dispute was added to the roster of major issues in Indo-Pakistan relations for the first time in April 1984. During the month, Indian Army airlifted mountain trained forces into position over-looking key passes in the Baltoro Range , a spur of the Karakoram Mountains , flanking the Siachen Glacier's southern rim, setting in motion a spectacular high-altitude military struggle with Pakistan that has continued unabated to the present day. Confronting one another in some areas at altitude over 6000 metres, the two armies contested for possession of a largely uninhabited wedge-shaped piece of territory, about 2500 square kilometers in size, situated just south of the Chinese border. The struggle is on till today and a number of operations have been executed by both sides for occupation or retention of key areas / posts.

Background
Chumik is a minor sub sector of Bilafond Sub Sector, which has remained quiet since 1984 with the exception of Chumik Operation in 1989. Forwarded posts of the sub sector overlook Gyong Glacier and also dominate by observation, enemies Baniya Base. A Pakistani post was established in the Location of present Sher Post in 1985. The post was later withdrawn suffering heavy losses due to avalanches and enemy artillery fire the same year. The post was re-established in 1988 by 9 Northern Light Infantry on the order of Commander Force Command Northern Area. In the early spring of 1989, there were signal intercepts indicating enemy activity in the area. On 22 February 89 , enemy helicopter's conducted reconnaissance of the area followed by inaccurate artillery fire. Reconnaissance was conducted by Helicopter and it revealed that enemy had established five new posts/bases. Enemy had also occupied off shoots of point 22158 (the highest peak in the area which came to be known as Naveed Top after this operation). This gave enemy, the vital observation over our entire sub sector which could create serious problems in holding and maintenance of own posts. Enemy started engaging our forwarded posts, Ashgar Base and escalated the situation in the sub sector , forcing us to react.

Conduct of operation
Relative strength and deployment in the area is as under:


Enemy
Enemy had intruded into Chumik area and occupied the area. Enemy's one complete battalion supported by different calibers of artillery and complete flight of Lama Helicopter took part in the operation. She established the following posts/bases which were supported through administrative bases of Bniya and Rani:

  • GANGA One platoon
  • SADHU One platoon (minus)
  • AGRA -I One Section
  • AGRA-II One Section with an artillery observer
  • MG Position One Section with heavy Machine Gun
  • Support Troops One Company in support role (for back up support)


Own
A company of regular troops was detailed to relieve Northern Light Infantry troops in the Chumik Sector on 10 April 1989 . The force was further strengthened later, which was necessary for the final eviction of the enemy from the Sector. Activities in this sector had intensified considerably and constant vigil was kept on the enemy activities. Risk of weakening of our forces in this area could therefore not be taken. Guns and mortars of available artillery in the area supported the operation. One company of Northern Light Infantry on relief from the sector was provided for assistance. Ten men of Special Services Group were provided for technical assistance and expertise. Four Lama Helicopters of Arms Aviation were provided to support the operation.

The Initial Plan
Company minus ex 9 Azad Kashmir was holding Chumik sub sector which was subsequently augmented by another company for offensive role. Helicopters were also provided for the operation, along with Special Services Group troops and additional 81 millimeter Mortars. It was planned to occupy the area to check the further movement of enemy. The out line plan was as follows:

Mission
To occupy the area by engaging enemy Ganga Base with observed artillery fire to interdict her Line of Communication.

Execution



  • The plan/task was to be accomplished in following phases:
  • Phase-I Establish Kausar Base.
  • Phase-II Establish Kausar 1, Kausar 2 and Kausar 3 Bases.
  • Phase-III . Occupy the area.

First Attempt
Aerial reconnaissance of the area was carried out on 16 April 1989 . The expedition was sent out in establishing Kausar Base by mid night the same day. Kausar 1 was established on 17 April at a height of 17000 feet and in the same evening Kausar 2 was also established. It was found that movement thereafter was not possible due to extreme difficult nature of terrain. The expedition was immediately called off to avoid detection by the enemy.

Second Attempt
Force Commander Northern Area decided to drop Special Services Group persons on Saddle by helicopter. Effort was made to drop the persons but helicopter could not hover at such a low level where persons could jump basically because of poor weather and configuration of ground. The mission was once again aborted.

Modified Plan
After failure of two missions, the plan was modified as under:

  • Persons ex 9 Azad Kashmir and Special Service Group) to be sling – dropped at the base with the aim of occupying the area, facilitating ultimate eviction of enemy.
  • Two platoon size expeditions to make efforts for link up from two directions (One platoon each from 9 Azad Kashmir and 6 Northern Light Infantry).
Execution of Plan
On 19 April 89 , the first helicopter took off. Lieutenant Naveed, a volunteer officer ex 9 Azad Kashmir was sling drooped at the Saddle. Captain Seghal and Captain Zia(got shahdat as Lt colonel on a UN mission), the pilots of helicopter also did a wonderful job and were able to release the slung officer at a flat place on the base (Naveed Base). Subsequently Naik Yaqoob, Special Services Group was also dropped to join Lieutenant Naveed. Some stores were also dropped in next sorties. But soon weather deteriorated making further drops impossible. It was 21 April when weather cleared and more persons were dropped. Then it was race between Indians and us to reach the top. Our troops made it to the top (Kamran Top) earlier than the enemy thus gaining the victory at a highest point in the world where battle has ever been fought. Eight Indian soldiers were discovered only 300 – 400 meters from Kamran Top who were forced to withdraw under own fire.

6 Northern Light Expedition
The expedition having left on 18 April was close to saddle on 25 April. Three officers with one Jawan were buried alive under tons of snow. This marked the end of expedition.

9 Azad Kashmir Expedition
The expedition under Captain Tariq took a good start on 22 April 89 . Its fire raided enemy's Agra I forcing her to vacate the base. Then proceeded to close with Agra II but could not succeed due to difficult terrain. The post was however engaged with artillery fire.

The First Blow
Enemy's intention of dominating Chumik Glacier began to fail when “Ganga Base” also known as “Thappa Base” was effectively engaged by artillery. The enemy was forced to shift the base. Destruction of Ganga Base probably forced enemy to give a second thought to her plans.

The Raid
On 30 April 1989 , a raiding party consisting of 11 persons including 4 officers was organized by Major Abdul Rehman Bilal. The party closed in with enemy machine gun position at approximately 1900 hours. The fire was opened which caught enemy by surprise. However, enemy soon retaliated with small arms and rocket fire. Own troops were relatively safe since Kamran Post was protected by a boulder. The raiding party in the meantime inflicted heavy damages to the enemy. This final blow forced enemy to withdraw asking for a meeting where almost all of our terms were accepted. The area was vacated and declared as de-militarized zone.


@PanzerKiel
View attachment 642814

A famous picture.....Brig Bokhari (left) and Brig Nanawattay (IA) on the right....post Chumik talks 1989.....this occurred once PA had captured Pt 22158, and had inflicted massive casualties on IA.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-military-multimedia.30020/page-658#post-12449561
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My Father led 6 NLI (SIKKIS) during this operation....
Capt Javed Akhtar, Capt Jilani and Capt Fayaz along with my father and a few jawans came under an avalanche... My father survived after the search and rescue party was able to take him out after more than 10 hours...

DESERT FIGHTER said:
Chumik Operation
Introduction
WarOperation1.jpg

The Siachen dispute was added to the roster of major issues in Indo-Pakistan relations for the first time in April 1984. During the month, Indian Army airlifted mountain trained forces into position over-looking key passes in the Baltoro Range , a spur of the Karakoram Mountains , flanking the Siachen Glacier's southern rim, setting in motion a spectacular high-altitude military struggle with Pakistan that has continued unabated to the present day. Confronting one another in some areas at altitude over 6000 metres, the two armies contested for possession of a largely uninhabited wedge-shaped piece of territory, about 2500 square kilometers in size, situated just south of the Chinese border. The struggle is on till today and a number of operations have been executed by both sides for occupation or retention of key areas / posts.

Background
Chumik is a minor sub sector of Bilafond Sub Sector, which has remained quiet since 1984 with the exception of Chumik Operation in 1989. Forwarded posts of the sub sector overlook Gyong Glacier and also dominate by observation, enemies Baniya Base. A Pakistani post was established in the Location of present Sher Post in 1985. The post was later withdrawn suffering heavy losses due to avalanches and enemy artillery fire the same year. The post was re-established in 1988 by 9 Northern Light Infantry on the order of Commander Force Command Northern Area. In the early spring of 1989, there were signal intercepts indicating enemy activity in the area. On 22 February 89 , enemy helicopter's conducted reconnaissance of the area followed by inaccurate artillery fire. Reconnaissance was conducted by Helicopter and it revealed that enemy had established five new posts/bases. Enemy had also occupied off shoots of point 22158 (the highest peak in the area which came to be known as Naveed Top after this operation). This gave enemy, the vital observation over our entire sub sector which could create serious problems in holding and maintenance of own posts. Enemy started engaging our forwarded posts, Ashgar Base and escalated the situation in the sub sector , forcing us to react.

Conduct of operation
Relative strength and deployment in the area is as under:


Enemy
Enemy had intruded into Chumik area and occupied the area. Enemy's one complete battalion supported by different calibers of artillery and complete flight of Lama Helicopter took part in the operation. She established the following posts/bases which were supported through administrative bases of Bniya and Rani:

  • GANGA One platoon
  • SADHU One platoon (minus)
  • AGRA -I One Section
  • AGRA-II One Section with an artillery observer
  • MG Position One Section with heavy Machine Gun
  • Support Troops One Company in support role (for back up support)


Own
A company of regular troops was detailed to relieve Northern Light Infantry troops in the Chumik Sector on 10 April 1989 . The force was further strengthened later, which was necessary for the final eviction of the enemy from the Sector. Activities in this sector had intensified considerably and constant vigil was kept on the enemy activities. Risk of weakening of our forces in this area could therefore not be taken. Guns and mortars of available artillery in the area supported the operation. One company of Northern Light Infantry on relief from the sector was provided for assistance. Ten men of Special Services Group were provided for technical assistance and expertise. Four Lama Helicopters of Arms Aviation were provided to support the operation.

The Initial Plan
Company minus ex 9 Azad Kashmir was holding Chumik sub sector which was subsequently augmented by another company for offensive role. Helicopters were also provided for the operation, along with Special Services Group troops and additional 81 millimeter Mortars. It was planned to occupy the area to check the further movement of enemy. The out line plan was as follows:

Mission
To occupy the area by engaging enemy Ganga Base with observed artillery fire to interdict her Line of Communication.

Execution



  • The plan/task was to be accomplished in following phases:
  • Phase-I Establish Kausar Base.
  • Phase-II Establish Kausar 1, Kausar 2 and Kausar 3 Bases.
  • Phase-III . Occupy the area.

First Attempt
Aerial reconnaissance of the area was carried out on 16 April 1989 . The expedition was sent out in establishing Kausar Base by mid night the same day. Kausar 1 was established on 17 April at a height of 17000 feet and in the same evening Kausar 2 was also established. It was found that movement thereafter was not possible due to extreme difficult nature of terrain. The expedition was immediately called off to avoid detection by the enemy.

Second Attempt
Force Commander Northern Area decided to drop Special Services Group persons on Saddle by helicopter. Effort was made to drop the persons but helicopter could not hover at such a low level where persons could jump basically because of poor weather and configuration of ground. The mission was once again aborted.

Modified Plan
After failure of two missions, the plan was modified as under:

  • Persons ex 9 Azad Kashmir and Special Service Group) to be sling – dropped at the base with the aim of occupying the area, facilitating ultimate eviction of enemy.
  • Two platoon size expeditions to make efforts for link up from two directions (One platoon each from 9 Azad Kashmir and 6 Northern Light Infantry).
Execution of Plan
On 19 April 89 , the first helicopter took off. Lieutenant Naveed, a volunteer officer ex 9 Azad Kashmir was sling drooped at the Saddle. Captain Seghal and Captain Zia(got shahdat as Lt colonel on a UN mission), the pilots of helicopter also did a wonderful job and were able to release the slung officer at a flat place on the base (Naveed Base). Subsequently Naik Yaqoob, Special Services Group was also dropped to join Lieutenant Naveed. Some stores were also dropped in next sorties. But soon weather deteriorated making further drops impossible. It was 21 April when weather cleared and more persons were dropped. Then it was race between Indians and us to reach the top. Our troops made it to the top (Kamran Top) earlier than the enemy thus gaining the victory at a highest point in the world where battle has ever been fought. Eight Indian soldiers were discovered only 300 – 400 meters from Kamran Top who were forced to withdraw under own fire.

6 Northern Light Expedition
The expedition having left on 18 April was close to saddle on 25 April. Three officers with one Jawan were buried alive under tons of snow. This marked the end of expedition.

9 Azad Kashmir Expedition
The expedition under Captain Tariq took a good start on 22 April 89 . Its fire raided enemy's Agra I forcing her to vacate the base. Then proceeded to close with Agra II but could not succeed due to difficult terrain. The post was however engaged with artillery fire.

The First Blow
Enemy's intention of dominating Chumik Glacier began to fail when “Ganga Base” also known as “Thappa Base” was effectively engaged by artillery. The enemy was forced to shift the base. Destruction of Ganga Base probably forced enemy to give a second thought to her plans.

The Raid
On 30 April 1989 , a raiding party consisting of 11 persons including 4 officers was organized by Major Abdul Rehman Bilal. The party closed in with enemy machine gun position at approximately 1900 hours. The fire was opened which caught enemy by surprise. However, enemy soon retaliated with small arms and rocket fire. Own troops were relatively safe since Kamran Post was protected by a boulder. The raiding party in the meantime inflicted heavy damages to the enemy. This final blow forced enemy to withdraw asking for a meeting where almost all of our terms were accepted. The area was vacated and declared as de-militarized zone.


@PanzerKiel
View attachment 642814

A famous picture.....Brig Bokhari (left) and Brig Nanawattay (IA) on the right....post Chumik talks 1989.....this occurred once PA had captured Pt 22158, and had inflicted massive casualties on IA.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-military-multimedia.30020/page-658#post-12449561
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Fun Fact! Capt Naveed SJ was posted to siachen on adverse report and the guy got a SJ for his bravery
 
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We have been lied to and cheated the Indians invaded this glacier after the peace agreement and now it's under their control the Pakistan army has no clear strategy to take these peaks back we can only camp on the bottom for now thanks to our military planners
 
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Great Janjua said:
We have been lied to and cheated the Indians invaded this glacier after the peace agreement and now it's under their control the Pakistan army has no clear strategy to take these peaks back we can only camp on the bottom for now thanks to our military planners
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We were very much busy with Afghanistan.
 
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PanzerKiel said:
After this Chumik operation by Pakistan

Indians carried out a fire raid using artillery on Kausar base which was used to sustain our troops on Naveed Top. Kausar base was neutralized. We then vacated the area, since sustaining troops in this area is already very difficult.
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What has been PAF's involvement in Siachen theatre of war ?
 
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Signalian said:
Dropping a JDAM will bring what consequences ?
Land slide on both sides ? Destruction of lower areas falling under glacier?
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Avalanches, slides....
Posts, gun positions and supply dumps will vanish under tons of snow....

New crevices will be there, old used routes will be gone.... It's takes years to find and consolidate routes which can then be used for normal move....

All line communications will be gone.... Will have to relaid again.....
 
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PanzerKiel said:
Avalanches, slides....
Posts, gun positions and supply dumps will vanish under tons of snow....

New crevices will be there, old used routes will be gone.... It's takes years to find and consolidate routes which can then be used for normal move....

All line communications will be gone.... Will have to relaid again.....
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One is compelled to ask the question that why would india stiff its troops in such a precarious position where they are neither living nor dead. they can't even call in artillery support cuz they themselves would gey buried under tons of snow.

the answer to the question is that india never intended to take siachin or any other glacier. this was meant to be a pathway for them to sneak into AJK/GB in the dead of winter when Pakistan Army was busy on the Afghan soviet front. india never imagined thay it would get caught with its knickers around her ankles even before it could cross the glacial lands...yet another extravagant indian design that transformed itself into disastrous indian failure owing solely to indian army's sheer incompetence & over confidence.
 
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PanzerKiel said:
Avalanches, slides....
Posts, gun positions and supply dumps will vanish under tons of snow....

New crevices will be there, old used routes will be gone.... It's takes years to find and consolidate routes which can then be used for normal move....

All line communications will be gone.... Will have to relaid again.....
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Is there any relevant post or area between Turtuk and Siachen ?
 
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Signalian said:
Is there any relevant post or area between Turtuk and Siachen ?
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Imediately north of tortuk north west of Tortuk are villages of Thang, Puchathang and Tyakshi. All these villages along shyok river including Tortuk, chalunkathang and chalunka were taken by India in 1971. In 1995 an attmpt was made on Tyakshi post which failed. Area remains with India... North of it Pakistan controls Ghorkun top at the southeren end of saltoro range and after that the whle of saltoro dominating ridges are controlled by indians with exception of Baltoro Kangri and Sia Kangri on the northeren end, which also marks the seperation between greater Siachin and baltoro glaciers.
 
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If you look at the maps, the topography shows that the rivers flow towards the Indian Nubra. This suggests that artillery bombardment or air strikes would cause greater avalanche damage on the Indian side than the Pakistani side. A major artillery and airstrike barrage followed by air assault could possibly dislodge the enemy.

@Signalian @PanzerKiel
 
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It's easy to dislodge the Indians all we need is light powerful artillery and uav designation targeting supply dumps and enemy gun positions effectively will force the Indians to give up it's that simple only if we have the courage to continually bomb the Indians until everything is thin air buy some high altitude uavs from turkey and some good light howitzers and rest is up to the men
 
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