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Chrysler's turbine experiment could have changed the car industry


Many assume that developing alternative fuel sources for cars is a relatively new phenomenon, that manufacturers were forced to experiment when depleted fossil fuel reserves and climate change became hotly debated topical issues. But innovation and engineering challenges have always been at the heart of automobile design. Back in the 1930s when climate change was still in the realm of science fiction, Chrysler began development of a turbine engine. Unlike a petrol car, a turbine could run on more or less anything combustible including kerosene and vegetable oil. This versatility was demonstrated by the president of Mexico, who famously ran his model on tequila.

This government-supported programme ran for more than 30 years, producing one of the most intriguing and ingenious prototypes of the 1960s before it was mysteriously stopped when it was on the cusp of revolutionising modern motoring.

In the lead-up to the Second World War Chrysler began to explore the feasibility of powering a car by turbine. The objective was to develop a durable and reliable powerplant that would last longer and be far easier to maintain than a conventional petrol engine. With only 60 moving parts, there was less to go wrong and with vibration-free running, a turbine promised a much longer shelf-life.

The first breakthrough came in the late 1940s when a turboprop engine was successfully developed for the US navy. This proved its viability and encouraged the company to accelerate its development for a car. In 1954 Chrysler tested the first-generation prototype but, though it proved reliable, there were two significant problems. Firstly, it was far less economical than a conventional car and, secondly, its exhaust gases were emitted at a scorching 650°C, which was bad news for the car behind in a traffic jam or indeed any cat seeking to make its way across the road.

Chrysler worked on these problems and, by the early 1960s, the company was confident enough in the technology to develop an exclusive "turbine" model. Unlike modern eco models, which tend to be small, the turbine was a sleek, elegant and luxurious two-door coupé. Its eye-catching style was reminiscent of the first-generation Batmobile, with distinctive conical chrome covers for the tail lights and turbine-themed detail on the hubcaps and centre console. The turbine generated 130hp and could go from 0 to 100kph in 12 seconds.

The flaws of earlier designs had largely been overcome. Economy was much improved and comparable with a petrol model of equivalent performance. This was achieved through a regenerator that extracted heat from the exhaust gasses and transferred it back to the compressed air in the turbine. This also solved the public safety issue of the scorching exhaust. Other issues such as throttle lag had also been addressed.

Chrysler built 55 turbine models, most of which were leant to the public for extensive trials. The company received 30,000 requests from intrigued people, from which around 200 were selected. In total, more than one million miles were clocked up, with drivers reporting that the cars were reliable and glided quietly even at high speeds. Some drivers said it took a while to get used to the noise of a giant vacuum cleaner rather than the familiar rumble of a V8 but, nevertheless, a large proportion were so impressed that they predicted turbine cars would replace their petrol cousins in the near future.

Sadly, only a handful of turbines remain as most, as was the convention with prototypes, were scrapped after the trials. Some can still be seen in museums in the USA and one is now owned by chat show host Jay Leno.

Chrysler continued to develop the technology, achieving greater economy and complying with new nitrogen emission regulations. By the early 1970s it was set to put a turbine car into full production. However, the company was in debt and, as a condition of its bailout loan, the US government demanded that the turbine programme be terminated. It is not known why it was so opposed, particularly as it had provided considerable funding over previous decades.

One theory is that they came under pressure from oil companies seeking to protect one of their key markets. But whatever the reason, their stance consigned the turbine car to a footnote in motoring history. Perhaps if a crystal ball was present, the government would have acted differently, and we'd all be filling up with cooking oil rather than petroleum. But as a postscript, the programme did have one last success, as a turbine tank was developed in the late 1970s.

Chrysler's turbine experiment could have changed the car industry - The National
 
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Well reciprocating engines have more efficiency than Turbines,when it comes to heat recovery then turbines is more efficient but its not possible with a car,
 
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Pictures ?

Chrysler Turbine Car

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Engine compartment of a Chrysler 1963 Turbine car

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More info:

Chrysler's Turbine Car: The Rise and Fall of Detroit's Coolest Creation - Steve Lehto, Jay Leno -
 
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Chrysler's turbine 'jet car' project lasted 25 years

For a quarter of a century, Chrysler Corp. worked to develop a practical "jet car," spending millions on the gas-turbine engine project that finally ended in the scrap yard.

It was in March 1954 that Chrysler disclosed the development and successful road testing of a production model Plymouth sport coupe powered by a turbine engine. In June of that year, the car was demonstrated at the dedication of the Chrysler Engineering Proving Grounds near Chelsea, Mich.

Two years later, another turbine-powered Plymouth, a four-door 1956 sedan, was driven more than 3,000 miles, from the Chrysler Building in New York City to the Los Angeles City Hall, in four days. It got 13 miles to the gallon on unleaded gasoline.

From 1960 through 1962, Chrysler continued to retrofit individual models from its Plymouth line with various gas-turbine engines. These engines represented significant advances over the one used in the 1954 model; they were more compact and generated more horsepower.

All the research and engineering culminated in a grand experiment in 1963 when the company built 55 Chrysler Corporation Turbine Cars and then loaned 45 of them – free of charge – to "average citizens" to drive for three months each, with comments and feedback encouraged at the end of the period.

More than 200 families took Chrysler up on the offer, and together they logged more than a million miles in the unique cars over the two-year program.

These really were jet cars. They had stylish bodies produced by Ghia to carry the experimental Chrysler turbines, which operated at speeds up to 48,000 rpm and had exhaust temperatures above 500 degrees. And – like a jet plane -- they were really loud.

The 1963-project cars produced 130 horsepower with one-fifth the number of parts in a piston engine, had a top speed of 115 mph, and could run on just about any fuel: alcohol, kerosene, diesel, even cooking oil, perfume and liquor. :D

But at a time when gas cost only about 30 cents a gallon, people considered their ability to run on alternative fuels just a novelty. Instead, the public’s focus was on the car's appearance and the uniqueness of the engine.

Most of the reports published about these cars were glowing, and drivers waxed poetic over their futuristic look and smooth and easy operation. Unlike diesels they needed no warm-up time, there was very little engine vibration, and highway mileage was fair, though city mileage suffered from a 22,000 rpm idle speed.

Still, Chrysler did not seem confident enough that the remaining noise and heat problems could be solved without pushing the price of a production car too high for consumers, and the project went back to the drawing board.

Then in the 1970s, the project ran into a fatal combination of problems.

Though work continued – a seventh-generation engine was even put into a 1977 Dodge Aspen – a major gasoline shortage and subsequent tough emission-control standards made it impossible for the gas-turbine engine to compete with rapidly evolving internal combustion designs.

Finally, in 1979, mounting economic woes forced Chrysler to turn to the government for a $1.5 billion "bailout," and the turbine-engine program (which had cost $120 million by that time) was terminated.

Only a few of the cars remain, nearly all of them in museums or private collections. Forty-six of those that had been in the 1963 loaner program were simply fed into a crusher to avoid import duty on their Italian-built bodies.

Chrysler's turbine 'jet car' project lasted 25 years
 
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The problem will ALWAYS be one of fuel economy. Gas turbines produce astounding power to weight ratios, but do this only at the expense of phenomenal fuel consumption. Yeah it's cool it can consume a number of fuels, but it'll still get only 5 miles per gallon, or some other ridiculous number. Gas turbines slurp fuel like crazy.
 
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receny Britains jaguar made a gas turbine car.....they used turbine to run a dynamo and that runs electric motors that run the car.
it was shown in an episode of "Top Gear"
 
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certain diesel engines can run on vegitable oil without any modification...
 
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receny Britains jaguar made a gas turbine car.....they used turbine to run a dynamo and that runs electric motors that run the car.
it was shown in an episode of "Top Gear"

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BTW, Jaguar is now an Tata company...

Jaguar Cars Ltd, known simply as Jaguar, is a British luxury car manufacturer, headquartered in Whitley, Coventry, England. It is part of the Jaguar Land Rover business, a subsidiary of the Indian company Tata Motors.
 
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Hydrogen is the fuel of the future, either by fuel cell or by direct combustion. Although fuel cell is way more efficient.
 
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To date, the infernal combustion engine is still the most efficient at delivering mechanical power when these demands are factored in:

- Near instantaneous availability of said mechanical power.

- Reliability.

Tough to beat. The issue is not the infernal combustion engine itself but the fuel. If there is an alternate fuel that can quickly explode inside a contained area (cylinder) to the same efficiency as that of dinojuice, this engine design can continue to serve man for the next one hundred years.
 
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