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Hydrogen. All it lacks is the necessary support from the automotive industry and the govt. Rest is all there.
Chrysler's turbine experiment could have changed the car industry
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Hydrogen. All it lacks is the necessary support from the automotive industry and the govt. Rest is all there.
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Being a bit fanciful, I wish I could see tiny nuclear reactors power vehicles during my lifetime.
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i saw one program back in 2008, an engine was built to run on the burning wood chips
i dunno it was top gear or which prog
I think it was " i didn't know that" or something like this.
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Nope. Hydrogen is not the answer. Companion to the infernal combustion engine's time tested reliability and near instantaneous production of mechanical energy from chemical sources (dinojuice) we need a liquid fuel source that is equally reliable in terms of transportability and safety. Like it or not, dinojuice is still the best. Put away all the loony conspiracy theories and look at the combination from a purely engineering perspective, then from a practical perspective, the infernal combustion engine and petroleum based fuel combination is well nigh impossible to beat.
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The turbine engine has been independently researched and developed by most of the major car manufacturers including Rover , Fiat , General Motors and Chrysler. The working of a turbine engine is simple compared to that of an IC reciprocating engine . Basically it involves the pulling in and compressing of air to the engine in relatively large quantities and then expanding this air and using it to drive a power turbine. The power turbine is connected by a common shaft to the compressor turbine . About 10% of the power generated is used to turn the compressor turbine. The compressor turbine pulls air into the engine and compresses it. Compression is achieved due to the shape of the turbine blade which tends to push air out from the centre towards the edges. This air then enters a combustion chamber where fuel is added and ignited ,resulting in the rapid expansion of the gases , these are used to drive the power turbine. The engine are relatively small and compact, about half the size of a reciprocating IC engine of the same horsepower. The turbine in such an engine maybe about 4" - 5" in diameter , while the compressor turbine would be from 7" - 10" in diameter. The power output from such an engine can reach 250 horsepower. So why didn't turbines catch on. The answer is that turbines because they use continuous combustion of fuel need about 8 times the fuel that a reciprocating IC engine needs.
Given below are diagrams of the layout of the turbine engine used by Chrysler and some facts about the engine.
HOW THE GAS TURBINE OPERATES
When the turbine engine is operating, the first- stage turbine rotates the centrifugal compressor run impeller to draw in air and compress it. The compressed air is heated as it passes through the high-pressure side of the regenerators, and then it enters a combustion chamber (burner) in to which fuel is injected and ignited. The burning fuel raises the temperature of the gases (a mixture of combustion products and air) and increases their energy level. These hot gases pass through the first-stage turbine driving the compressor and then through the second- stage turbine (power turbine) which drives the car. The gases leaving the power turbine pass through the low-pressure side of the regenerators, giving up heat to the regenerator honeycomb, and flow out the exhaust ducts.
With two small regenerators, the engine is compact and has balanced temperature gradients on both sides. Intake air from the compressor is split into two paths, which pass through the regenerators and come together again at the burner. The hot gases from the burner, after going through the two turbine stages, also are split into two paths to flow through the two regenerators and then out through the exhaust ducts.
The compressor and first-stage turbine, along with the burner and regenerator, are called the "gas generator" section of the engine since these components produce the hot gases that power the engine.
'The two turbine wheels are not interconnected mechanically, and thus one may rotate while the other is stationary. The first-stage turbine always rotates while the engine is operating, its speed varying from 18-22, 000 rpm at idle up to about 44, 600 rpm at rated power. 'The second-stage turbine, being connected directly to the car's drive train, rotates only while the car is in motion. Its speed ranges from zero at standstill to a maximum of about 45, 700 rpm. Since the power turbine is rotated by hot gases and is not mechanically connected to the gas generator rotor, the power turbine stops whenever the car stops, and the gas generator continues idling. Thus the engine will not stall under overload.
ADVANTAGES of the GAS TURBINE ENGINE
1) Simplicity...............Number of parts reduced 80%
2) Vibrationless...............Rotary motion instead of reciprocating
3) Exhaust gases cool, clean...............Excess air flows through engine, fuel completely nontoxic burned, practically no carbon
monoxide
4) Overload won't "kill" the engine...............Compressor and first-stage turbine rotate independently of power turbine --keep on
idling even if sudden overload stops power turbine
5) Light, compact...............Few parts
6) Dependable low-temperature starting...............Low friction--fuel injected directly into combustion chamber--igniter fires repeatedly- -timing not important- -vaporization not critical
7) No warm-up period needed...............Can operate under full power if desired as soon as fuel is burning steadily
8) Instant heat available in winter...............Hot gases immediately available as soon as engine is operating under own power--no
cylinder block and coolant to heat up first
9) Negligible oil consumption...............No pistons or cylinder walls to lubricate
10)Antifreeze not required...............Temperature controlled by air flowing through engine--therefore no water, no antifreeze
11) Operates on wide variety of fuels...............Less limited by vaporization or detonation characteristics of fuel
12) Less maintenance...............No tune-ups required--less friction and wear- -fewer parts- -no valves, camshaft, distributor, etc.
The Chrysler regenerative gas turbine engine has two independent turbine wheels, one driving the compressor and accessories and one driving the car. It is a "regenerative" turbine because it utilizes two rotating heat exchangers--called regenerators--to
recover heat from the exhaust gases, thus boosting fuel economy and reducing exhaust temperature. The two regenerators rotate in vertical planes, one on each side of the engine.
Performance Rating
The gas turbine engine is rated at 130 horsepower at 3600 rpm output shaft speed and 425 lb-ft torque at zero output shaft speed under ambient temperature and atmospheric pressure conditions of 85 F and 29.92" Hg, respectively. However, unlike a piston engine, which is tested and rated as an individual unit without transmission or accessories, the gas turbine power plant is rated as a complete package including transmission and accessories. 'Ihus , owing to rating methods and torque characteristics,
the 130-hp turbine power plant gives performance comparable to a piston engine rated at 200-hp or more.
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Given below are diagrams of the layout of the turbine engine used by Chrysler and some facts about the engine.
HOW THE GAS TURBINE OPERATES
When the turbine engine is operating, the first- stage turbine rotates the centrifugal compressor run impeller to draw in air and compress it. The compressed air is heated as it passes through the high-pressure side of the regenerators, and then it enters a combustion chamber (burner) in to which fuel is injected and ignited. The burning fuel raises the temperature of the gases (a mixture of combustion products and air) and increases their energy level. These hot gases pass through the first-stage turbine driving the compressor and then through the second- stage turbine (power turbine) which drives the car. The gases leaving the power turbine pass through the low-pressure side of the regenerators, giving up heat to the regenerator honeycomb, and flow out the exhaust ducts.
With two small regenerators, the engine is compact and has balanced temperature gradients on both sides. Intake air from the compressor is split into two paths, which pass through the regenerators and come together again at the burner. The hot gases from the burner, after going through the two turbine stages, also are split into two paths to flow through the two regenerators and then out through the exhaust ducts.
The compressor and first-stage turbine, along with the burner and regenerator, are called the "gas generator" section of the engine since these components produce the hot gases that power the engine.
'The two turbine wheels are not interconnected mechanically, and thus one may rotate while the other is stationary. The first-stage turbine always rotates while the engine is operating, its speed varying from 18-22, 000 rpm at idle up to about 44, 600 rpm at rated power. 'The second-stage turbine, being connected directly to the car's drive train, rotates only while the car is in motion. Its speed ranges from zero at standstill to a maximum of about 45, 700 rpm. Since the power turbine is rotated by hot gases and is not mechanically connected to the gas generator rotor, the power turbine stops whenever the car stops, and the gas generator continues idling. Thus the engine will not stall under overload.
ADVANTAGES of the GAS TURBINE ENGINE
1) Simplicity...............Number of parts reduced 80%
2) Vibrationless...............Rotary motion instead of reciprocating
3) Exhaust gases cool, clean...............Excess air flows through engine, fuel completely nontoxic burned, practically no carbon
monoxide
4) Overload won't "kill" the engine...............Compressor and first-stage turbine rotate independently of power turbine --keep on
idling even if sudden overload stops power turbine
5) Light, compact...............Few parts
6) Dependable low-temperature starting...............Low friction--fuel injected directly into combustion chamber--igniter fires repeatedly- -timing not important- -vaporization not critical
7) No warm-up period needed...............Can operate under full power if desired as soon as fuel is burning steadily
8) Instant heat available in winter...............Hot gases immediately available as soon as engine is operating under own power--no
cylinder block and coolant to heat up first
9) Negligible oil consumption...............No pistons or cylinder walls to lubricate
10)Antifreeze not required...............Temperature controlled by air flowing through engine--therefore no water, no antifreeze
11) Operates on wide variety of fuels...............Less limited by vaporization or detonation characteristics of fuel
12) Less maintenance...............No tune-ups required--less friction and wear- -fewer parts- -no valves, camshaft, distributor, etc.
The Chrysler regenerative gas turbine engine has two independent turbine wheels, one driving the compressor and accessories and one driving the car. It is a "regenerative" turbine because it utilizes two rotating heat exchangers--called regenerators--to
recover heat from the exhaust gases, thus boosting fuel economy and reducing exhaust temperature. The two regenerators rotate in vertical planes, one on each side of the engine.
Performance Rating
The gas turbine engine is rated at 130 horsepower at 3600 rpm output shaft speed and 425 lb-ft torque at zero output shaft speed under ambient temperature and atmospheric pressure conditions of 85 F and 29.92" Hg, respectively. However, unlike a piston engine, which is tested and rated as an individual unit without transmission or accessories, the gas turbine power plant is rated as a complete package including transmission and accessories. 'Ihus , owing to rating methods and torque characteristics,
the 130-hp turbine power plant gives performance comparable to a piston engine rated at 200-hp or more.
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Are you crazy suicide car bombing will have a whole new meaning.
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Not exactly.
1. Hydrogen can be easily stored in hydrides. Google it.
2. Hydrogen will be truly environment friendly provided we can harness solar energy to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen.
3. Hydrogen has the highest calorific value of probably all the combustible substances known to man. More calorific value means you get more energy per gram of Hydrogen. Hydrogen produces far more heat per unit weight than does Gasoline.
4. You don't need an infernal (internal) combustion engine to do the job in case of Hydrogen. Modern fuel cells give upto 70% efficiency converting heat to Mechanical energy. Contrast that with at-best 40% efficiency of even the ultra-modern IC engine currently under human possession.
5. A fuel cell has no moving parts, which means zero engine noise (hence less noise pollution). Add to that the savings you make by not spending a fortune on maintenance.
6. Hydrogen is as safe as gasoline we use today. Modern technology has ensured that.
7. Hydrogen is almost limitless in supply which means no more high fuel prices. That is actually a boon for the not-so-developed countries like mine.
8. Hydrogen will eliminate global reliance on middle east oil. Which means no more pandering to the whims of the sheikhs.
I can go on and on.
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I'm sure that by the time such a technology is available, mankind would have matured enough and solved it's problems so that there would no longer be the 'need' (preposterously assuming it ever was) for any man to blow himself up.
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