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It was on a warm October day that human rights activist Noel Alfonce received a call. A man simply asked him to stop his work or his 10-year-old daughter would suffer the consequences.

With a heavy heart, nearly six months later, he left his home and country behind for good.

“I wouldn’t have been bothered had they threatened me, but when it comes to your children, you sometimes have to take harsh decisions,” said the balding man, speaking over the phone from a busy marketplace in Bangkok as Thai announcements blared in the background.

The ‘crimes’ that forced him out of the country were helping victims of forced conversions and their families and visiting the burned down and bullet-riddled churches after they were attacked. His actions irked the wrong people, and Alfonce, who had been working at the National Commission for Justice and Peace for the last four years in Karachi, had to wind up his work and leave.

Mass migration

There are no official figures but community members and activists say that thousands of Christians have left Pakistan and are seeking asylum in other countries.

From Karachi, many Christian families have fled silently; from Dastagir, Pahar Ganj, Mianwali Colony, Akhtar Colony and Essa Nagri. A majority of them opt for Thailand, which offers cheap airfare and easy access to tourist visas.

“Apart from personal attacks and threats, the Badami Bagh incident in Lahore and the church bombing in Peshawar have led to an increase in migration of Christians. Unemployment and lack of security are making them leave,” said former parliamentarian and minority representative Michael Javed.

But Alfonce, whose bike was riddled with bullets when he spoke against a church attack in Karachi’s Mianwali Colony in 2012 and received death threats in September of last year after he condemned the killing of a Christian accused of blasphemy, has no one to share his grievances with.

“Who do I complain to? The government has no writ and it is the terrorists who are in control now,” he said.

With a quivering voice, he added, “I don’t know what I will do when my savings run out next month. I don’t know how we will survive.”

Preparing to move

For several months, 40-year-old Aslam Masih, a sweeper at the Karachi Metropolitan Corporation, had made up his mind to emigrate.

Last December, when a PMT crashed down near his house in Taiser Town, plunging the Christian colony into darkness, his decision was made.

“We had no light, no gas, no water. We had no better jobs. We were living like animals,” he said, also speaking from Thailand over the phone.

A pastor, Moazzam, who had helped several Christians move to Thailand, was contacted and paid Rs100,000 to arrange for the travel of six family members of Aslam; for their visas, their tickets and their documentations.

In order to arrange the amount, Aslam sold the house that he had built on the plot he received from authorities after being relocated from Lyari.

His father, Mahar Bahadur Masih, who decided to stay back in Pakistan, did not want his son to leave. “I tried to stop him but he would say to me, ‘Bhool jaye Pakistan ko [Forget Pakistan]‘. Now my other son wants to go as well. I have no incentives to offer them in order to try and stop them from going.”

In the gutter-ridden lanes of Essa Nagri, Pastor Rafaqat Sadiq of The United Presbyterian Church of Pakistan has written five support letters and sent several emails to churches in Thailand. “I issue letters to the families that have migrated so that our churches there help them with accommodation and food,” he said.

To strengthen their cases, asylum seekers sometimes also get fake cases registered at police stations, bribing officers Rs20,000 to do so, claimed Sadiq.

Life in Thailand is no bed of roses

Christian representatives in Thailand claim that there are 10,000 registered Pakistani asylum seekers, a majority of them Christians and the remaining mostly Ahmadis and Shias.

But life in the country famous for its beaches and tourist spots is far from rosy for asylum seekers.

Upon reaching Thailand, they file an asylum application to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), and then wait patiently. They live in single-room apartments, or condos, often in cramped and crowded areas of Thailand.

“Life is not easy at all. We are stuck here. We can’t work. I have seen Pakistanis begging on the road, asking money from foreigners. The asylum process takes a very long time,” said Alfonce. The former human rights activist, who is volunteering at a church school, has an interview set with the UNHCR in February 2016. He has been lucky; people have been known to be given dates in 2019.

“After the interview, the UN will decide whether we qualify for asylum in another country or not. Till then, we are to support ourselves on our own,” he said.

With the visit visa lasting only two months, people often dodge the Thai police, or pay bribes, in order to avoid being arrested for illegally staying in the country.” Seventeen Pakistanis were arrested just last week and sent to an Immigration Detention Centre,” he said.

But for some, the harsh conditions are still preferable to those in Pakistan. Aslam’s eldest daughter, Parveen, who has a technical diploma, said that she can easily go out with her sisters and travel freely. “There is no danger to our lives here. I feel safe here. I don’t want to go back,” said Parveen.

Hoping for a better life

With many of the minority’s migrants being social workers and pastors, a human rights activist, also wants to leave.

My husband faced a blasphemy case when the landlord accused him of discarding Islamiat books. The case was settled when our neighbours supported us. But this is scary and alarming. I want to leave now,” said the Christian woman, not wanting to be named.

Human Rights Commission of Pakistan chairperson Zohra Yusuf said that the state has failed to stand up for minorities. “It is unfortunate and sad that the minorities are leaving the country as they are being persecuted.” On the other hand, former parliamentarian and minority representative Michael Javed feels that incidents of Christians leaving the country are not being given importance. “When Hindu families were leaving Pakistan, everyone was raising the issue. But why are they silent over our migration? Are we not also citizens of the country?”


Packing their bags: Christians moving to Thailand to escape violence, insecurity – The Express Tribune

Shame on the supporters of Blasphemy law.
 
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This is truly sad.

I hope things improve once TTP is kicked out of FATA and the rest of Pakistan.
 
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10,000 not so pleased diplomats of Pakistan in Thailand alone. @FaujHistorian - how would one label this? religious cleansing, genocide, apartheid?

Obviously our stone age laws of blasted blasphemy are the modern day Nazi's tools.

I wish UN bans countries from membership who institute laws based on religious or ethnic bigotry.

If a province or state is involved in large scale cleansing of their fellow citizens, they should be given 6 months notice to clean up the laws.

And if they do not, such countries should be boycotted from air, sea and internet contact with the rest of the world. Total isolatio until such barbaric laws are repealed.

So called leaders like Zia ul Haq or Modi types who are involved in peace time butchering of minorities should permanently banned from holding any office of import.

And if any country elects them in defiance of the global laws of humanity, then the country should be sanctioned 100%.

Hope you now realize how angry I am with the plight of minorities in our part of the world.

Thank you for being good listener.


peace
 
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i watch pakistani christian forum,the mood of pakistani christians is not good every day they seem to hate more than like being under a muslim majority nation,as a christian in india we can only watch and provide moral support to these christians and hindus in pakistan.
 
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It's high time to scrap the blasphemy law. It is done an untold amount of harm. As for the terrorists, well we are moving in the right direction.

How Pakistan has fallen from a place where our Christian folks proudly proclaimed they were from, but now some are running away from.
 
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Obviously our stone age laws of blasted blasphemy are the modern day Nazi's tools.

I wish UN bans countries from membership who institute laws based on religious or ethnic bigotry.

If a province or state is involved in large scale cleansing of their fellow citizens, they should be given 6 months notice to clean up the laws.

And if they do not, such countries should be boycotted from air, sea and internet contact with the rest of the world. Total isolatio until such barbaric laws are repealed.

So called leaders like Zia ul Haq or Modi types who are involved in peace time butchering of minorities should permanently banned from holding any office of import.

And if any country elects them in defiance of the global laws of humanity, then the country should be sanctioned 100%.

Hope you now realize how angry I am with the plight of minorities in our part of the world.

Thank you for being good listener.


peace


lol at the Modi part - I am sure you are pandering to the typical Pakistani in you. India is still a way better country with full secular rights and laws for its citizens - more so in favor of minorities than the majority. The reason why minorities are growing by leaps and bounds in India (except the parsis - whole diff reason for their decline in population).

Now, that you have done your part, I have a question - arent these Hindus, Christians, Buddhists etc that are being hounded out violently from Pakistan indigeneous? more so than all the muslims who came into Pakistan - because I dont think any minority moved to Pakistan after its inception. Dont they deserve equal share, rights, laws and freedom more than any foreigner(mujahir etc) who has moved into their land?

This systematic cleansing is reviling and surprisingly there's hardly any protests or condemnation, while you are more keen on protesting against the Israeli's.
 
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lol at the Modi part - I am sure you are pandering to the typical Pakistani in you. India is still a way better country with full secular rights and laws for its citizens - more so in favor of minorities than the majority. The reason why minorities are growing by leaps and bounds in India (except the parsis - whole diff reason for their decline in population).

Now, that you have done your part, I have a question - arent these Hindus, Christians, Buddhists etc that are being hounded out violently from Pakistan indigeneous? more so than all the muslims who came into Pakistan - because I dont think any minority moved to Pakistan after its inception. Dont they deserve equal share, rights, laws and freedom more than any foreigner(mujahir etc) who has moved into their land?

This systematic cleansing is reviling and surprisingly there's hardly any protests or condemnation, while you are more keen on protesting against the Israeli's.


As I said.

Treatment of minorities in Pakistan is horrible. please don't get chained to Modi. Read what I wrote and see what I was saying.

UN sanctions on every country that allows this type of behavior by the extremists in their country.

hope you understand now.


Thanks

i watch pakistani christian forum,the mood of pakistani christians is not good every day they seem to hate more than like being under a muslim majority nation,as a christian in india we can only watch and provide moral support to these christians and hindus in pakistan.

which forums?

link?

Thanks.
 
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I see most Pakistani members evade this thread like it's the plague.If some European country would have banned the burqa or something similar ,we would have had at least 10 pages of wrath,complaints and indignation.But,Christians in Pakistan ? Who cares about those kuffars,right ?
 
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I see most Pakistani members evade this thread like it's the plague.If some European country would have banned the burqa or something similar ,we would have had at least 10 pages of wrath,complaints and indignation.But,Christians in Pakistan ? Who cares about those kuffars,right ?

Conversation of non-muslims is well accepted in many parts of muslims nations...be it by "jihad love" or sword.
 
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As I said.

Treatment of minorities in Pakistan is horrible. please don't get chained to Modi. Read what I wrote and see what I was saying.

UN sanctions on every country that allows this type of behavior by the extremists in their country.

hope you understand now.


Thanks



which forums?

link?

Thanks.

Again, nice attempt at trying to equate the pathetic genocide and cleansing of Pakistan's minorities to India where the sunni fundoos played / play their part similar to what they play all over the world with their round house hatred to anything non islamic and their jihads and their seperation rights. I am being forthright here. Given a free lease we would have al qaeda type jihadi punks running lose all over just like whats happening in Pakistan or to a lesser extent Bangladesh.

Kindly keep your answer only subjected to Pakistan because the topic is only related to Pakistan and whats happening in Pakistan has nothing to do with anything or any event that has or is happening in India or SA.

One more question - why no condemnation about the missing millions of Pakistan's minorities, and why no attempt to rectify the system that is designed such or corrupted / influenced such that it thrives on hounding out the non sunnis?.
 
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I see most Pakistani members evade this thread like it's the plague.If some European country would have banned the burqa or something similar ,we would have had at least 10 pages of wrath,complaints and indignation.But,Christians in Pakistan ? Who cares about those kuffars,right ?

The original poster is Pakistani, as is the second poster and of course myself. Some Pakistanis do bury their head in the sand over this issue, others don't.
 
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The original poster is Pakistani, as is the second poster and of course myself. Some Pakistanis do bury their head in the sand over this issue, others don't.


Agreed,but you are the "usual suspects" + 3,4,maybe.You know i'm right and this thread would be on fire if the title was "Slovakia bans burqa,sentences muslim woman to pay 50 euro penalty"......"the horror,the humanity,racism! apartheid !".....@Zarvan would have threathened war!!,others would follow suit...etc,etc.
 
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i watch pakistani christian forum,the mood of pakistani christians is not good every day they seem to hate more than like being under a muslim majority nation,as a christian in india we can only watch and provide moral support to these christians and hindus in pakistan.
You Indian Christians are one of the most productive and patriotic communities, you should provide aid to Pakistani Christians.
 
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Agreed,but you are the "usual suspects" + 3,4,maybe.You know i'm right and this thread would be on fire if the title was "Slovakia bans burqa,sentences muslim woman to pay 50 euro penalty"......"the horror,the humanity,racism! apartheid !".....@Zarvan would have threathened war!!,others would follow suit...etc,etc.

forget about burqa.

This is about the fate of 10000 pakistani's (now former) hanging in balance in foreign countries and rickety boats and this thread is like the dead sea.

If those 10000 had been sunni Muslim Pakistanis, this thread would have run into a 1000 pages.

You Indian Christians are one of the most productive and patriotic communities, you should provide aid to Pakistani Christians.


I am a catholic and the most I am willing to do is pity them for their choice in 47.
 
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