Christian man sought by police in Pakistan for blasphemy after 'insulting Muhammad' on WhatsApp

[Darr]

US laws and European laws are not neccessarily identical, and different European countries have different laws as well.
You can make fun of jews, arabs, gays, muslims, but there are limits to avoid inviting violence,
or spreading hate.

Then you are not living in a fully democratic state. I know your living in Sweden which is basically a feminist state in entire Europe, but I do insist that you exercise the full capacity of your thoughts and ideas without the consideration of "feelings and sentiments" that you have been brainwashed by the feminist left of Sweden.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Then you are not living in a fully democratic state. I know your living in Sweden which is basically a feminist state in entire Europe, but I do insist that you exercise the full capacity of your thoughts and ideas without the consideration of "feelings and sentiments" that you have been brainwashed by the feminist left of Sweden.

While Sweden has a feminist minister for foreign affairs, it is not a feminist state.
A "fully democratic" state shows respect to minorities, and blatant attacks on minorities
are not helpful to society. Valid criticism is not restricted in any way.
Feel free to show examples why society would be improved by removing any restriction...

The rules were created way before feminism was an issue anyway.

 

[salarsikander]

While Sweden has a feminist minister for foreign affairs, it is not a feminist state.
A "fully democratic" state shows respect to minorities, and blatant attacks on minorities
are not helpful to society. Valid criticism is not restricted in any way.
Feel free to show examples why society would be improved by removing any restriction...

The rules were created way before feminism was an issue anyway.

What are laws regarding making fun of holocaust ?

 

[Darr]

While Sweden has a feminist minister for foreign affairs, it is not a feminist state.
A "fully democratic" state shows respect to minorities, and blatant attacks on minorities
are not helpful to society. Valid criticism is not restricted in any way.
Feel free to show examples why society would be improved by removing any restriction...

The rules were created way before feminism was an issue anyway.

Sweden Liberal Party is campaigning for legal male abortion based on gender, Swedish politicians are saying Sweden belongs to immigrants not to Swedes, and this is from wiki:

"A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia),Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries), other Middle East (Jordan, Palestine, Syria), Iran and Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, 17, 9, 10 and 18 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively."

I mean I can go on... Sweden was a feminist experiment that has gone berserk and there is no going back on it. Germany and Canada are probably next. There is a record unemployment rate and crime among minorities in Sweden that is unaddressed due the feminist mindset. Sweden is bleeding and dying slowly, and if you are not vocal and active in a way to protect your own people and home land then I guess there is no saving for you.

But, I know you wont give up so easily.

What are laws regarding making fun of holocaust ?

You'll probably get the full extent of law thrown at you.......or maybe not because you'll be considered a "minority" who needs to tendered and "assimilated".

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

What are laws regarding making fun of holocaust ?

I don't think there are any laws against making fun against holocaust.
A distasteful joke would cause shunning of the person making it.

Sweden Liberal Party is campaigning for legal male abortion based on gender, Swedish politicians are saying Sweden belongs to immigrants not to Swedes, and this is from wiki:

"A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia),Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries), other Middle East (Jordan, Palestine, Syria), Iran and Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, 17, 9, 10 and 18 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively."

I mean I can go on... Sweden was a feminist experiment that has gone berserk and there is no going back on it. Germany and Canada are probably next. There is a record unemployment rate and crime among minorities in Sweden that is unaddressed due the feminist mindset. Sweden is bleeding and dying slowly, and if you are not vocal and active in a way to protect your own people and home land then I guess there is no saving for you.

But, I know you wont give up so easily.

A pregnant female in Sweden today had a legal right to have an abortion until 18 weeks into the pregnancy.
It is her decision.
A regional group of the youth organisation of the Liberal party has decided that men should have equal rights,
and therefore the father should be able to make that decision as well.
It is not an idea beeing driven by the Liberal party, or any other party in the Swedish parlament as far as I know.

Sweden has a much wider definition of rape than most countries (as mr Assange found out),
and is actively trying to get sexual abuse to be reported, which tends to get high numbers.
Personally, I don't know ANY woman here that to my knowledge has been raped.

Sweden has a strong economy and Your data on unemployment is false.

As for crime statistics, Sweden does not maintain statistics on nationality of criminals.

 

[shining eyes]

You mean the same right americans have of
calling foreigners "niggers", "gooks", "sand niggers", "wogs", right?

Well, i din't know these words "niggers", "gooks", "sand niggers", "wogs", were constitutional words in America are they?

Non-muslim isn't an insulting word is it?

By this logic christians should be killing Muslims because we added a prophet and Jews bothh Christians and Muslims because we too according to them added a prophet. I don't know when if at any time we will shed our redneck muslim views. We are becoming a joke because of people like these who think it is their responsibility to uphold our honor. It is shocking and surprising how Ahmedis and Christians a subjugated minority appears to be a threat to us.

May be you are drunken idiot or sleep-writing, First clean your extremist mind; we are not talking about killing anyone here. Second you know nothing of what you write! Essa Alaihe Salam did not say i am the last prophet so Christians shouldn't be killing muslims for that reason. They are killing Muslims without any reason in 10+ muslim countries. JOKE? yeah, joke are people who don't know what they say!

Ahmedis and Cristians are our minorities and we should respect our minorities.

No need to waste your precious intellect on matters you have no idea about!

Qadiyani became non Muslim only in 70s which means it manmade and can be changed

But its not going to be! Because they are not!

 

[haviZsultan]

Well, i din't know these words "niggers", "gooks", "sand niggers", "wogs", were constitutional words in America are they?

Non-muslim isn't an insulting word is it?




May be you are drunken idiot or sleep-writing, First clean your extremist mind; we are not talking about killing anyone here. Second you know nothing of what you write! Essa Alaihe Salam did not say i am the last prophet so Christians shouldn't be killing muslims for that reason. They are killing Muslims without any reason in 10+ muslim countries. JOKE? yeah, joke are people who don't know what they say!

Ahmedis and Cristians are our minorities and we should respect our minorities.

No need to waste your precious intellect on matters you have no idea about!



But its not going to be! Because they are not!

If America is killing muslims without any reason, that also not in their country but miles away, we are locked in a process of hypocricy and killing Christians and Ahmedis in our own land. Nothing can justify that. Jinnah and the Prophet both enjoined us to protect our minorities. What we have done with them is a travesty of justice. Mullah rule should end and freedom from strife and equality should be promoted

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Well, i din't know these words "niggers", "gooks", "sand niggers", "wogs", were constitutional words in America are they?

Non-muslim isn't an insulting word is it?

Can be, if it is used as an insult, or in a negative way.

The US mostly kills non innocent Muslims according to statistics.

 

[shining eyes]

If America is killing muslims without any reason, that also not in their country but miles away, we are locked in a process of hypocricy and killing Christians and Ahmedis in our own land. Nothing can justify that. Jinnah and the Prophet both enjoined us to protect our minorities. What we have done with them is a travesty of justice. Mullah rule should end and freedom from strife and equality should be promoted

You seem to be a 13 year old or severe education about minorities has been going on with you that has effected your brain.

We are not LAWLESS people, we have a Law; ANYONE, be it a Muslim, Christian, Ahmedi, Hindu, German, Alien or anyone, if commits crime MUST be dealt with according to the law. Can you understand what that means?

You are Comparing a STATE Act vs a Personal Act here and what kind of a person you are approving the killing of people miles away? Madness!!

American war on Muslim countries is a State Action while if any person kills a minority (which in my view is a sad incident and should be dealt according to the law) is a Personal act.

"Mullah Mullah Mullah" why are you so obsessed?

Can be, if it is used as an insult, or in a negative way.

The US mostly kills non innocent Muslims according to statistics.

Well, i dont know how you assumed that, haha
Do you think calling someone non christian is insulting them? if yes then you are right to assume that.

Aww, And what statistics are these?

Care to search in google "people killed in iraq war"
Tables
Source Estimated violent deaths Time period
Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict March 2003 to August 2007
PLOS Medicine Survey Approximately 500,000 deaths in Iraq as direct or indirect result of the war.

These? I think you have an assumption that muslims (men, women, children, elders) are non-innocent.

and its just iraq, where US LIED about the weapons of mass destruction. But according to your logic, they were muslims so they were all non-innocents!

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You seem to be a 13 year old or severe education about minorities has been going on with you that has effected your brain.

We are not LAWLESS people, we have a Law; ANYONE, be it a Muslim, Christian, Ahmedi, Hindu, German, Alien or anyone, if commits crime MUST be dealt with according to the law. Can you understand what that means?

You are Comparing a STATE Act vs a Personal Act here and what kind of a person you are approving the killing of people miles away? Madness!!

American war on Muslim countries is a State Action while if any person kills a minority (which in my view is a sad incident and should be dealt according to the law) is a Personal act.

"Mullah Mullah Mullah" why are you so obsessed?



Well, i dont know how you assumed that, haha
Do you think calling someone non christian is insulting them? if yes then you are right to assume that.

Aww, And what statistics are these?

Care to search in google "people killed in iraq war"
Tables
Source Estimated violent deaths Time period
Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict March 2003 to August 2007
PLOS Medicine Survey Approximately 500,000 deaths in Iraq as direct or indirect result of the war.

These? I think you have an assumption that muslims (men, women, children, elders) are non-innocent.

and its just iraq, where US LIED about the weapons of mass destruction. But according to your logic, they were muslims so they were all non-innocents!

Qadiani

Qadiani or Qadiyani (قادیانی qādiyānīin Urdu and Arabic) is a derogatory religious slur used by some South AsianMuslims to refer to Ahmadi Muslims, primarily in Pakistan

So it is the same as calling You a Wog...

I dont think I ever heard someone beeing described as non christian.
The use implies Exclusion so it is in the same category as racism.

 

[shining eyes]

Qadiani

Qadiani or Qadiyani (قادیانی qādiyānīin Urdu and Arabic) is a derogatory religious slur used by some South AsianMuslims to refer to Ahmadi Muslims, primarily in Pakistan

So it is the same as calling You a Wog...

I dont think I ever heard someone beeing described as non christian.
The use implies Exclusion so it is in the same category as racism.

Wikipedia is not always right!

Care to see the first website result in your search results:
"What does the term Qadiani mean? It means someone who lives in a small city called Qadian in Punjab, India. However, it is also used by opponents of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community to call Ahmadi Muslims as Qadianis, since the founder of the community Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, The Promised Messiah and al-Imam al-Mahdi (peace be on him) was born in Qadian according to the prophecies of the Holy Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The actual name of the community is Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and not Qadiani. To learn more about Ahmadiyya Muslim Community please visit the official website at www.alislam.org."

Its normal in subcontinent to call people by their location:

Okarwi, Baghdadi, Deobandi, Brelvi, Saudi, Gujrati. Since when calling someone by his motherland became derogatory? Call me Pakistani and i will feel proud not insult!

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Wikipedia is not always right!

Care to see the first website result in your search results:
"What does the term Qadiani mean? It means someone who lives in a small city called Qadian in Punjab, India. However, it is also used by opponents of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community to call Ahmadi Muslims as Qadianis, since the founder of the community Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, The Promised Messiah and al-Imam al-Mahdi (peace be on him) was born in Qadian according to the prophecies of the Holy Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The actual name of the community is Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and not Qadiani. To learn more about Ahmadiyya Muslim Community please visit the official website at www.alislam.org."

Its normal in subcontinent to call people by their location:

Okarwi, Baghdadi, Deobandi, Brelvi, Saudi, Gujrati. Since when calling someone by his motherland became derogatory? Call me Pakistani and i will feel proud not insult!

Did You ever hear about the Vandals. Just one example.
Used to be the name of a Germanic tribe, probably originating in todays Denmark.
Now it has a completely different meaning.
Turk, is certainly historically a derogatory classification in Europe for over 500 years.
What it means and how it is interpreted is two different things.
Meaning will change over time.

You previously said it meant non muslim, now You change your statement.

 

[shining eyes]

Did You ever hear about the Vandals. Just one example.
Used to be the name of a Germanic tribe, probably originating in todays Denmark.
Now it has a completely different meaning.
Turk, is certainly historically a derogatory classification in Europe for over 500 years.
What it means and how it is interpreted is two different things.
Meaning will change over time.

You previously said it meant non muslim, now You change your statement.

As i said, in sub-continent its a normal practise to call people by their place of birth, so an example from subcontinent would be more suited.

Well, if you call an Irish "Irish" in a derogatory sense, will he ask you to not call him "Irish"? Doesn't make sense!
Or if someone calls you a Swedish in a derogatory sense, would you ask him not to call you Swedish since you are a Swedish?

Apart from all, i live in Pakistan and there are more qadianis then there in Sweden and i have heard this first time that this term is considered derogatory.

 

[EAK]

reading your comment i recalled a video i saw a few days back, lucky to find the link:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1054552914652906

You are dumb if you think you can say anything about anyone at any place at any time!

And you are bigger idiot if you didn't understand what i actually said...

He will never answer this. That poor fellow will be hounded and found and put in jail.

you have your answer in my previous reply..thing is you just don't want to look in the mirror directly..

Yet the movie was the biggest hit in India. Your comment is an oxymoron. It takes a true liberal society to make such kind of movies which your country lacks at this moment.

well my comment hit the right nerve then.. lol your biggest hit was funded by ISI according to you BJP leader Subramian Swamy.. so cheers to ISI then .. right ..

 

[Solomon2]

Pakistani Christian man sentenced to death for blasphemous WhatsApp message

PHOTO: REUTERS
PUBLISHED
9 HOURS AGO

LAHORE, Pakistan (AFP) - A Pakistani Christian man has been sentenced to death for blasphemy after he sent a Muslim friend a poem on WhatsApp that insulted Islam, a lawyer said on Friday (Sept 15).

Nadeem James was charged in July last year after his Muslim friend Yasir Bashir complained to police that he received a poem on the messaging app that was derogatory towards the Prophet Mohammed and other holy figures.

"James was handed a death sentence by the court on Thursday on blasphemy charges," defence lawyer Anjum Wakeel said.

"My client will appeal the sentence in the high court as he has been framed by his friend, who was annoyed over James' affair with a Muslim girl," Mr Wakeel said.

He said the trial was held inside a prison due to security reasons after local Muslim clerics had threatened James and his family. Court officials confirmed the sentence.

Blasphemy is a hugely sensitive issue in conservative Muslim Pakistan, where even unproven allegations can stir beatings and mob violence.

In 2014, a Christian couple were lynched then burnt in a kiln in Punjab province after being falsely accused of desecrating the Quran. Rights groups have said the laws are routinely abused to seek vengeance.