Christian man sought by police in Pakistan for blasphemy after 'insulting Muhammad' on WhatsApp

[Darr]

Actually it is you who is wrong, you think just because they are Muslims so somehow they don't deserve the equal status as that of white people----Going by you logic Jews and Christians in USA should be given the equal treatment as that is imparted to the Muslims, but this isn't the case. See here you blatantly exposed your HYPOCRISY by yourself. It has nothing to do with being "Native" or an "immigrant" it's about equal rights. Even if we go by your self concocted theory then you might wanna have a look at it from another perspective: Democracy-------------Rule of the majority, get the drift? Law is there because the majority supports it, whether you are a minority or not you gotta respect it, simple.

You cant be democratic unless you have freedom of speech. That means, you have the absolute right to criticise or humor anything, including Islam or Muhammad.

 

[Djinn]

You cant be democratic unless you have freedom of speech. That means, you have the absolute right to criticise or humor anything, including Islam or Muhammad.

No you cant 'freedom of speech' has its limits, every thing does, just like it is there in the most so-called democratic states like US. Deny the holocaust, demonize Jewish beliefs in the US first and then preach your distorted belief to others.

 

[Darr]

No you cant 'freedom of speech' has its limits, every thing does, just like it is there in the most so-called democratic states like US. Deny the holocaust, demonize Jewish beliefs in the US first and then preach your distorted belief to others.

Have you been living under a rock? Its been done plenty in Western universities by historians. And nothing is exception to rule when it comes to criticism under Freedom of Speech, including your Muhammad.

 

[boxer_B]

Yes Thanks heavens for that else we would be killed by Hindu's for eating beef.

There is a difference between killing an animal and blasphemy. Even in (your brotherly) China, state can reward death penalty for killing Panda,

My point is not religious, but you can't compare slaughtering an Animal with some derogatory remarks.
Former is a living being on God's earth.

 

[Djinn]

Have you been living under a rock? Its been done plenty in US universities by historians. And nothing is exception to rule when it comes to criticism under Freedom of Speech, including your Muhammad.

Actually no it hasn't been done Denying holocaust is still considered a crime in many western countries and there are whole of other things which you cant say as the will be conveniently counted as "Antisemitism".

There is a difference between killing an animal and blasphemy. Even in (your brotherly) China, state can reward death penalty for killing Panda,

My point is not religious, but you can't compare slaughtering an Animal with some derogatory remarks.
Former is a living being on God's earth.

Actually you can, it all boils down to own beliefs. Your stance as as flawed as your argument.
Panda is a rare species, just like Pakistan had put a ban on hunting of Bustards...........This has no religious connection, cows in India have religion connection

 

[boxer_B]

Actually you can, it all boils down to own beliefs. Your stance as as flawed as your argument.
Panda is a rare species, just like Pakistan had put a ban on hunting of Bustards...........This has no religious connection, cows in India have religion connection

Yes i agree. However, there is separate laws for cow slaughter in every state.

Worst i read is 10 years jail term. But then again, in some states its legal and in other is bailable offense.

There is no law for death penalty.

My point was not religious at all, just that a living organism must have precedence over God. Be it Cow, dog or panda.

 

[Djinn]

Yes i agree. However, there is separate laws for cow slaughter in every state.

Worst i read is 10 years jail term. But then again, in some states its legal and in other is bailable offense.

There is no law for death penalty.

My point was not religious at all, just that a living organism must have precedence over God. Be it Cow, dog or panda.

I understand your logic and truth be told i don't eat beef myself. I mentioned that for a member who claimed that " if India was still united, Muslims would have killed Hindus for being kaffirs" Fact is Muslims are killed in India for eating beef, one incident happened recently and no one can deny that. Religious violence isn't confined to Muslim states, even in advanced countries it manifests under a variety of "Politically accepted" excuses.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Blasphemy laws were put into place to avoid ethno-religious tensions; what you think is persecution going on in Pakistan is nothing compared to what minorities are facing in India.

Blasphemy laws make sure that you'll be punished for disrespecting ANY religion, hateful incitement and so on. Laws like these are one of the reason why we don't have religious riots like those in India in which hundreds and even thousands die.

99% of all blasphemy cases are against Muslims; not to long ago, a man was arrested for making shoes with the 'Om Symbol' on top.

Unsurprisingly only Christians, Hindus and other minorities make it to blogs, articles and news to create a false perception of constant persecution of minorities.

Pakistan must keep the blasphemy law to keep religion harmony; if it's removed it'll be like lighting a keg.

 

[boxer_B]

I understand your logic and truth be told i don't eat beef myself. I mentioned that for a member who claimed that " if India was still united, Muslims would have killed Hindus for being kaffirs" Fact is Muslims are killed in India for eating beef, one incident happened recently and no one can deny that. Religious violence isn't confined to Muslim states, even in advanced countries it manifests under a variety of "Politically accepted" excuses.

To be honest, during widespread riots, some incidents relates to religion. Most of deaths are associated with jealousy, wealth and political gains.

You can debunk me as jingoistic Indian, but that's what have happened in the past. People tally scores during riots.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Have you been living under a rock? Its been done plenty in Western universities by historians. And nothing is exception to rule when it comes to criticism under Freedom of Speech, including your Muhammad.

There are certainly limits to freedom of speech.

It is illegal to instigate violence against other races, religions, or due to gender, sexuality.
Criticizing or making fun of others is OK, up to a point.

It is not OK to draw a jew with a hooked nose hoarding money.
It is not OK to draw black people with gigantic red lips and a bone in the nose.
It is not OK to draw an arab raping a camel.
Such drawings are considered hate crimes.

Drawing Muhammed as a symbol for Islam is certainly allowed.
The famous bomb in the turban send the message that Islam comes with a baggage - Islamists = allowed.
A Muhammed drawing instigating violence vs Muslims would not be allowed.

Portraiting Jesus Christ or Buddah as a homosexual, is allowed as well.

Blasphemy is not a crime, since religions contradict each other.
In a society allowing freedom of religion you cannot have blasphemy laws since
it is impossible to not be blasphemous.

 

[khanz]

i don't know the intention of your question but courts are not ready to decide the cases regarding these issues. This is why people take law in their own hand. We demand implementation of laws but they mock us and constitution of Pakistan. Administration of this forum should not allow such threads because this is red line of our religion.

Nobody demanded it Zia started implementing it. I don't remember Pakistanis marching on the street or starting petition asking for a blasphemy law and what red line are you talking about ? when hell as anyone in Pakistan intentionally mocked it's constitution or Muslims so our parents and grandparents living peacefully prior to 70s/80s before this law and Zia era were mocking it?
How are you so blind to see it's nothing but weapon for personal disputes and minority abuse ! IT'S A MAN MADE LAW nowhere in the Koran have I ever seen to kill people who question islam.
You guys are so insecure and far gone you have actually made a man made law divine and criticism or repealing of the blasphemy law itself is blasphemy according to you people you don't have the intellectual capacity to rebuke critics by debate or using knowledge ?
The prophet (pbuh) never jailed or attacked anyone for criticizing him and forgave even people who tried to kill him and threw trash on him he over from his mercy and kind actions you really think he would support what happened to the likes Asia Bibi, Shabaz Bhatti or Salman Taseer ? I really think you might believe that because reading your posts you seem like the type that would have thrown rose petals on Mumtaz Qadri's casket . It's people like you who are the biggest blasphemers and mockery to Pakistan by sanctioning murder in the name honor.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Allah is almighty and Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) is the last prophet.< This is the fundamental belief of Muslims.

Qadianis are NON-Muslims by the definition of being muslim.
Qadianis are NON-Muslims by the LAW of Islamic Republic of Pakistan!

We are right to call them non muslims by religious and national point of view!

You mean the same right americans have of
calling foreigners "niggers", "gooks", "sand niggers", "wogs", right?

 

[Darr]

There are certainly limits to freedom of speech.

It is illegal to instigate violence against other races, religions, or due to gender, sexuality.
Criticizing or making fun of others is OK, up to a point.

It is not OK to draw a jew with a hooked nose hoarding money.
It is not OK to draw black people with gigantic red lips and a bone in the nose.
It is not OK to draw an arab raping a camel.
Such drawings are considered hate crimes.

Drawing Muhammed as a symbol for Islam is certainly allowed.
The famous bomb in the turban send the message that Islam comes with a baggage - Islamists = allowed.
A Muhammed drawing instigating violence vs Muslims would not be allowed.

Portraiting Jesus Christ or Buddah as a homosexual, is allowed as well.

Blasphemy is not a crime, since religions contradict each other.
In a society allowing freedom of religion you cannot have blasphemy laws since
it is impossible to not be blasphemous.

Apart from ADL whining about what is Jewish appropriation, the first amendment does give you the right to generalise in any way, shape or form any group people such that it does not invite violence. South Park have made fun of jews, Charlie Hebdo have made fun of arabs. West Borough Baptist Chruch have made fun of gays and Koran. Being racist isnt illegal, acting on your racist beliefs that conflicts with the law is illegal.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Apart from ADL whining about what is Jewish appropriation, the first amendment does give you the right to generalise in any way, shape or form any group people such that it does not invite violence. South Park have made fun of jews, Charlie Hebdo have made fun of arabs. West Borough Baptist Chruch have made fun of gays and Koran. Being racist isnt illegal, acting on your racist beliefs that conflicts with the law is illegal.

US laws and European laws are not neccessarily identical, and different European countries have different laws as well.
You can make fun of jews, arabs, gays, muslims, but there are limits to avoid inviting violence,
or spreading hate.

 

[haviZsultan]

Allah is almighty and Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) is the last prophet.< This is the fundamental belief of Muslims.

Qadianis are NON-Muslims by the definition of being muslim.
Qadianis are NON-Muslims by the LAW of Islamic Republic of Pakistan!

We are right to call them non muslims by religious and national point of view!

By this logic christians should be killing Muslims because we added a prophet and Jews bothh Christians and Muslims because we too according to them added a prophet. I don't know when if at any time we will shed our redneck muslim views. We are becoming a joke because of people like these who think it is their responsibility to uphold our honor. It is shocking and surprising how Ahmedis and Christians a subjugated minority appears to be a threat to us.