Chinese were considered white until 18th century

[Leishangthem]

Indian R1a M17 is the same one found in Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of Tajikistan

It has nothing to do with that

Also those wrestlers arent juiced.

And even if East Asians were juiced, they still look smaller than Indians

Like I said, you still haven't posted 1 east asian bodybuilder pass 6 ft 4 and over 285 pounds of muscle.

Most east asians are skinny and built like sticks and even when they juice up. They never get huge.

They literally never get huge

I've never in my whole entire life whether on television or real life met an east asian guy who was 6 ft 4 and 278 pounds of robust muscle

Almost all east asians including the east asians who workout are all tiny and small

I've seen 6 ft 4 tall and muscled whites and blacks. There is even Arabs who can be big like Big Ramy but I have never seen an East Asian regardless of whether theyre juiced or not that is huge

Show me 1 East Asian guy at this build

Hes 6 ft 4 and 275 pounds of muscle Punjabi

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Neither are they born big nor do they get big

They just get more veins

Even on your statistic. The Naga women are still smaller than Kashmiri and Punjabi women

You prove nothing posting already known stats.

Average east asian bodybuilder before and after steroids

They just get veins not muscle mass, they get leaner but not bulkier. Their bone mass is small in general and frames don't fill up properly

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Also the height statistic I posted is the same statistic you posted before that you used for Punjabi men

Your northeast Indian women are all short chinese types

The NFHS survey on your chart shows Naga women at 152.6 cm

They show Kashmiri women at 154.7

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/156482651103200103

I don't post 7 ft bulky east asian because that's not the point,any one can become a bodybuilder with proper nutrient and effort.People take body building at age of 15,nobody's born a bodybuilder.I didn't want to engage with this childish notion.

Body builders aren't selected based on height,if a 5 ft 6 person has good body he will be picked and awarded ,like this champion who's 5 ft 6.

or this Chinese Champion who's well above 6 ft ,he's 6ft 2 atleast

So, most of the indian bodybuilder are also 5 ft 5 in average,some taller some shorter.
So argument seems pretty asinine.

Chinese absolutely dominate in weight lifting when it comes to proving one's worth in power ,Indians not even in competition.

Secondly ,I said not all ethnicity are same in NE.If the nagas consumed as much milk as in North India they would have more potential than the south Asian gene stock .Nagaland has no diary consumption food habit like mainland India.No relation to china.In Tamilnadu/Kerala stunting is 5-8% due to lack of nutrient meanhwhile in NE indians states like Nagaland ,stunting is 30-40% for 5 years old due to lack of nutrients.
Indians gov has classified child growth of states based on diary consumption for a reason.With such huge milk consumption culture India is still the shortest subcontinent.

 

[retaxis]

Dont even mention India in the same sentence as North korea. They can't even win 1 olympic gold medal in anything! The whites laugh and shun Indians everytime Indians want to be more like them lol.

 

[Shazzad123]

I don't post 7 ft bulky east asian because that's not the point,any one can become a bodybuilder with proper nutrient and effort.People take body building at age of 15,nobody's born a bodybuilder.I didn't want to engage with this childish notion.

Body builders aren't selected based on height,if a 5 ft 6 person has good body he will be picked and awarded ,like this champion who's 5 ft 6.
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or this Chinese Champion who's well above 6 ft ,he's 6ft 2 atleast
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So, most of the indian bodybuilder are also 5 ft 5 in average,some taller some shorter.
So argument seems pretty asinine.

Chinese absolutely dominate in weight lifting when it comes to proving one's worth in power ,Indians not even in competition.

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Secondly ,I said not all ethnicity are same in NE.If the nagas consumed as much milk as in North India they would have more potential than the south Asian gene stock,also they aren't same as Han chinese in gene,there's difference ,Nagaland has no diary consumption food habit like mainland India.No relation to china.In Tamilnadu/Kerala stunting is 5-8% due to lack of nutrient meanhwhile in NE indians states like Nagaland ,stunting is 30-40% for 5 years old due to lack of nutrients.
Indians gov has classified child growth of states based on diary consumption for a reason.With such huge milk consumption culture India is still the shortest subcontinent.
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What is the weight class for the chinese bodybuilder and what is his name?

This is lactose tolerance levels for India

As you can see

Most of India excluding Punjab can't genetically digest milk whether nagaland or bihar

As I've said, East Asia is highly developed compared to India

Another major fact is Chinese people consume way more meat in general than Indians

The average Indian eats roughly no meat and rarely ever red meat where creatine is needed. Add this with lots of poverty

Nagaland might not consume as much dairy but they do consume way more meat compared to other Indians

Punjab has a meat consumption daily of 0.84 which is the lowest

Northeast Indian states consume the most meat per day

This is meat consumption by country

China and Japan consume 50x more meat daily than people from India

Meat is the building blocks for height

And Indians rarely consume red meat either

 

[Leishangthem]

What is the weight class for the chinese bodybuilder and what is his name?

This is lactose tolerance levels for India

As you can see

Most of India excluding Punjab can't genetically digest milk whether nagaland or bihar

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As I've said, East Asia is highly developed compared to India

Another major fact is Chinese people consume way more meat in general than Indians

The average Indian eats roughly no meat and rarely ever red meat where creatine is needed. Add this with lots of poverty

Nagaland might not consume as much dairy but they do consume way more meat compared to other Indians

Punjab has a meat consumption daily of 0.84 which is the lowest

Northeast Indian states consume the most meat per day

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This is meat consumption by country

China and Japan consume 50x more meat daily than people from India

Meat is the building blocks for height

And Indians rarely consume red meat either



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Regardless of weight class they do win ,shows pound for pound they are winners.Indians which are much smaller in average height and weight ,isn't even competition that's just fact.Fact is right now Europeans are indeed bigger than East Asians ,Just like East Asians are bigger than South Asians,facts are facts.

And I don't get what you are trying to prove,I never said Indians are all lactose tolerant,but if you wanna talk about that,the lactose intolerance and side-effect in east asians are next lvl.
But that's not the point,whether u are lactose intolerant or not,as long as you consume diary product it add to growth,diary is ranked the no.1 food for growth ,and all the tallest ethnicity from dutch to African dinaka are known for their diary consumption.Even in India ,milk consumption is factually linked to growth , India,the land of cows ,has milk consumption culture,Indian kids, unless one's beggar,drink a glass of milk almost every day when they are young, they consume diary as ghee,lassi,paneer,curd etc etc.
Both mine and your graph only proves what I already said .

 

[Shazzad123]

Regardless of weight class they do win ,shows pound for pound they are winners.Indians which are much smaller in average height and weight ,isn't even competition that's just fact.Fact is right now Europeans are indeed bigger than East Asians ,Just like East Asians are bigger than South Asians,facts are facts.

And I don't get what you are trying to prove,I never said Indians are all lactose tolerant,but if you wanna talk about that,the lactose intolerance and side-effect in east asians are next lvl.
But that's not the point,whether u are lactose intolerant or not,as long as you consume diary product it add to growth,diary is ranked the no.1 food for growth ,and all the tallest ethnicity from dutch to African dinaka are known for their diary consumption.Even in India ,milk consumption is factually linked to growth , India,the land of cows ,has milk consumption culture,Indian kids, unless one's beggar,drink a glass of milk almost every day when they are young, they consume diary as ghee,lassi,paneer,curd etc etc.
Both mine and your graph only proves what I already said .

East Asians are not bigger than South Asians because your chinese guy is small

South Asians are as big as Europeans in Europe

Actually the biggest body builder of Britain was Zack Khan

You will never find an East Asian or even a European built like this

Zack Khan has won the IFBB pro UK super heavyweight European championships

Even Ronnie Coleman and the biggest European bodybuilders call the guy a genetic monster

He is 285 pounds on season and 300 off season

He has literally the best back in bodybuilding history

He however suffered injuries later on

Still your 6 ft 2 Chinese guy is nothing in physique to the guy

Even Arnold calls Zack Khan a monster

 

[Shazzad123]

Regardless of weight class they do win ,shows pound for pound they are winners.Indians which are much smaller in average height and weight ,isn't even competition that's just fact.Fact is right now Europeans are indeed bigger than East Asians ,Just like East Asians are bigger than South Asians,facts are facts.

And I don't get what you are trying to prove,I never said Indians are all lactose tolerant,but if you wanna talk about that,the lactose intolerance and side-effect in east asians are next lvl.
But that's not the point,whether u are lactose intolerant or not,as long as you consume diary product it add to growth,diary is ranked the no.1 food for growth ,and all the tallest ethnicity from dutch to African dinaka are known for their diary consumption.Even in India ,milk consumption is factually linked to growth , India,the land of cows ,has milk consumption culture,Indian kids, unless one's beggar,drink a glass of milk almost every day when they are young, they consume diary as ghee,lassi,paneer,curd etc etc.
Both mine and your graph only proves what I already said .

Also South Asians are caucasian people

They're naturally going to be big when the environments are met

Even the average viking was 5 ft 7 in Europe in the past

The Vikings were stereotyped as giants for other European people

Mongoloid people are naturally short and small

Japanese, Koreans, Thai, Mongols, Chinese, Cambodians, Laotians, Naga people, Vietnamese are all mongoloid facial features and mongoloid small builds

South Asians, West Asians, Europeans and some parts of central asia fit into the caucasian race with caucasoid features and body types

Mongoloid men are naturally small with low testosterone and also no hair either.

 

[letsrock]

Boring discussion really but unfortunately tend to be very popular in military and male dominated forums.

 

[Leishangthem]

East Asians are not bigger than South Asians because your chinese guy is small

South Asians are as big as Europeans in Europe

Actually the biggest body builder of Britain was Zack Khan

You will never find an East Asian or even a European built like this

Zack Khan has won the IFBB pro UK super heavyweight European championships

Even Ronnie Coleman and the biggest European bodybuilders call the guy a genetic monster

He is 285 pounds on season and 300 off season

He has literally the best back in bodybuilding history

He however suffered injuries later on

Still your 6 ft 2 Chinese guy is nothing in physique to the guy

Even Arnold calls Zack Khan a monster

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You and your ridiculous bodybuilder narrative.
Don't you get the basic concept that BODY BUILDERS AREN'T NATURAL BORN !!!!!! ANY ONE CAN BE BODYBUILDER ! SO LONG HE/SHE DECIDE TO TAKE ENOUGH PROTEIN AND TRAIN!!! if a 7ft Chinese kid (which are much more in China than South Asia) 15-16 years old decides to be a bodybuilder and put the effort, he will be a 7 ft bodybuilder in 7 years .That's it,no rocket science there.

Also South Asians are caucasian people

They're naturally going to be big when the environments are met

Even the average viking was 5 ft 7 in Europe in the past

The Vikings were stereotyped as giants for other European people

Mongoloid people are naturally short and small

Japanese, Koreans, Thai, Mongols, Chinese, Cambodians, Laotians, Naga people, Vietnamese are all mongoloid facial features and mongoloid small builds

South Asians, West Asians, Europeans and some parts of central asia fit into the caucasian race with caucasoid features and body types

Mongoloid men are naturally small with low testosterone and also no hair either.

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Also South Asians are caucasian people

They're naturally going to be big when the environments are met

Even the average viking was 5 ft 7 in Europe in the past

The Vikings were stereotyped as giants for other European people

LOL,does Indian and Dutch looks similar to you ? caucasoid doesn't mean all are equal,Indian admix is totally different than that of dutch. Skin, hair, brain size ,bone muscle ,lean muscle,IQ and more are totally different! The Europeans ,even the arabs wouldn't agree to be lumped with south asians.

Mongoloid people are naturally short and small

Japanese, Koreans, Thai, Mongols, Chinese, Cambodians, Laotians, Naga people, Vietnamese are all mongoloid facial features and mongoloid small builds

Japanese ,Koreans ,Chinese ,Naga ,Mongol originate from North of Asia meanwhile Laotian,Cambodia has more archipelago based haplogroup gene.
And the genetic profile between all the East Asians like Japanese ,Korean & Chinese are distinct.

Mongoloid men are naturally small with low testosterone and also no hair either.

Mongoloid produces more testosterone than white or blacks but produces the lowest amount of dihydrotestosterone which causes baldness,massive body hair(also female hormone estrogen causes it in male), prostate cancer.

Fact is...

 

[Shazzad123]

You and your ridiculous bodybuilder narrative.
Don't you get the basic concept that BODY BUILDERS AREN'T NATURAL BORN !!!!!! ANY ONE CAN BE BODYBUILDER ! SO LONG HE/SHE DECIDE TO TAKE ENOUGH PROTEIN AND TRAIN!!! if a 7ft Chinese kid (which are much more in China than South Asia) 15-16 years old decides to be a bodybuilder and put the effort, he will be a 7 ft bodybuilder in 7 years .That's it,no rocket science there.



LOL,does Indian and Dutch looks similar to you ? caucasoid doesn't mean all are equal,Indian admix is totally different than that of dutch. Skin, hair, brain size ,bone muscle ,lean muscle,IQ and more are totally different! The Europeans ,even the arabs wouldn't agree to be lumped with south asians.


Japanese ,Koreans ,Chinese ,Naga ,Mongol originate from North of Asia meanwhile Laotian,Cambodia has more archipelago based haplogroup gene.
And the genetic profile between all the East Asians like Japanese ,Korean & Chinese are distinct.


Mongoloid like produces more testosterone than white or blacks but produces the lowest amount of dihydrotestosterone which causes baldness,massive body hair(also female hormone estrogen causes it in male), prostate cancer. View attachment 763405

Fact is...View attachment 763408

This is what Arabs look like

You just said that south asians are semite mixed

LOL now you're saying Arabs don't want to associate with South asians

It doesn't matter what Europeans or Arabs think

Genetically speaking, all these areas count as genetically caucasian people

Regardless of brain size, iq, skin tone

These are Saudis below

Also yes a albino Indian would pass in the Netherlands too

Skin tone doesn't equal race, nor does lean mass or IQ level

Both Nilotics and Pygmies are negroid people but Nilotics have more lean mass and height in general.

Race is genetics and facial features

This is why Japanese people aren't considered white despite being lighter than Southern Europeans

Also an Italian looks darker skin from a Dutch but they're both still caucasians.

 

[Shazzad123]

You and your ridiculous bodybuilder narrative.
Don't you get the basic concept that BODY BUILDERS AREN'T NATURAL BORN !!!!!! ANY ONE CAN BE BODYBUILDER ! SO LONG HE/SHE DECIDE TO TAKE ENOUGH PROTEIN AND TRAIN!!! if a 7ft Chinese kid (which are much more in China than South Asia) 15-16 years old decides to be a bodybuilder and put the effort, he will be a 7 ft bodybuilder in 7 years .That's it,no rocket science there.



LOL,does Indian and Dutch looks similar to you ? caucasoid doesn't mean all are equal,Indian admix is totally different than that of dutch. Skin, hair, brain size ,bone muscle ,lean muscle,IQ and more are totally different! The Europeans ,even the arabs wouldn't agree to be lumped with south asians.


Japanese ,Koreans ,Chinese ,Naga ,Mongol originate from North of Asia meanwhile Laotian,Cambodia has more archipelago based haplogroup gene.
And the genetic profile between all the East Asians like Japanese ,Korean & Chinese are distinct.


Mongoloid like produces more testosterone than white or blacks but produces the lowest amount of dihydrotestosterone which causes baldness,massive body hair(also female hormone estrogen causes it in male), prostate cancer. View attachment 763405

Fact is...View attachment 763408

Also Arabs are from the 100 degree climates of Arabia

Most Gulf Arabs look just like Indian people

This is an albino Indian man

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He can definitely pass in the Netherlands

Almost all genetics points to a similar race between Indians and Europeans

You Mongoloids are completely different with small builds enhanced by steroids and drugs

This is real genetics below

 

[Leishangthem]

This is what Arabs look like

You just said that south asians are semite mixed

LOL now you're saying Arabs don't want to associate with South asians

It doesn't matter what Europeans or Arabs think

Genetically speaking, all these areas count as genetically caucasian people

Regardless of brain size, iq, skin tone

These are Saudis below

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Also yes a albino Indian would pass in the Netherlands too

Skin tone doesn't equal race, nor does lean mass or IQ level

Both Nilotics and Pygmies are negroid people but Nilotics have more lean mass and height in general.

Race is genetics and facial features

This is why Japanese people aren't considered white despite being lighter than Southern Europeans

Also an Italian looks darker skin from a Dutch but they're both still caucasians.

Caucasoid is a very broad term,it's pointless,I didn't say Arab can't look similar to South Asian,many does,still even in south asians there's distinction ,depending to genetic trait and region ,and that doesn't mean they are all similar in general .

But what I said also remains, especially in case of Iranians who has more central asian/Eurasian gene.

This is why Japanese people aren't considered white despite being lighter than Southern Europeans

Also an Italian looks darker skin from a Dutch but they're both still caucasians.

LOL,"white" is a termed self-coined by a group of European themselves and reiterated on by their subserviant english savvy colonies mainly in Africa and south asia. Japanese/koreans or Chinese and much of asia don't call Americans as white people,this is an English phenomenon in general created by Europeans.

Also yes a albino Indian would pass in the Netherlands too

Any one with experience with the Europeans can guess he's albino though,you can't pick one mutated person in hundreds of million Indian and then Claim "Indian look like Dutch". There's always somebody looking like someone else,and there may always be some similarty,but that's anomaly .

A more typical Indian.

A more typical dutch.

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Almost all genetics points to a similar race between Indians and Europeans

You Mongoloids are completely different with small builds enhanced by steroids and drugs

This is real genetics below

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Your graph don't prove anything you claim,if we take this graph as your interpretation,Europeans are tiny because there are far related breed of cacausiod that are all ranked among top 15 shortest in the world, the " South Asians".

This is more like an old theory about wide division or humans,and I see many flaws based on genetic makeup.Humans are indeed related in some umbrella of broad division of humankind but it doesn't mean they are the same ,people have different admix,traits,culture and evolution depending on their surroundings.

Like Indians are a south asian region breed of human ,an evolved version of mixed semite(eurasian mix)-negrito and other groups,giving a unique genetic makeup, physical and mental traits, unique skin tone;just like Indonesian are mongoloid but genetic makeup is still distinct to the region with archipelago gene in dominance, evolved based on their surroundings and natural selection.But unlike South Asians ,the Indonesians are humble, pragmatic, and non deluded to claim they are tall like south asians do ,all whilewhen south asians fill up top 10 of shortest nations ranking.