Chinese version of SeaRam ?

[no_name]

The FL-3000N ship anti missile close-in system

 

[aimarraul]

another type with 18 round

Flying Leopard 3000 Naval (FL-3000N) was first revealed to the public at the 7th Zhuhai Airshow at the end of 2008. Although using the Flying Leopard designation, FL-3000N is actually different missile system than FL-2000(V) shown earlier. In fact, the only commonality shared by both SAM system is the launcher design, and even the launchers differ in size due to the different diameters of the missiles used in the systems.

Instead of using QW series MANPAD, FL-3000N is developed from TY-90 missile. The diameter of the missile is enlarged by a third, but the most important design difference in the new system is in its guidance system. The FL-3000N missile utilizes a combined guidance system that incorporates both passive radio frequency (RF) guidance and imaging infrared (ImIR) guidance. There are a pair of horn like protrusions mounted on the ImIR seeker at the tip of the missile, and these two protrusions are the passive RF seeker. An optional ImIR only guidance is also available and the missile is a fire and forget weapon.

The fire control system (FCS) of FL-3000N can simultaneously control two launchers, and can be integrated into other FCS on board ships. Alternatively, FL-3000N is also capable being directly controlled by other FCS on board ships. The system is usually fully automatic without human intervention, but manual operation can be inserted when needed.

The primary launching system of FL-3000N is a 24-cell launcher, developed from FLS-1. An optional extra magazine with automated loading system is available for larger warships when there is enough space provided. On smaller surface combatants where space is limited, the extra magazine with the automated loading system is eliminated and the reload is done manually. To further utilize confined space, a 8-cell launcher and a quadruple launcher are also available. Additionally, a single-cell launcher is available for mounting on existing naval gun mounts.

Although dubbed by many Chinese as the Chinese equivalent of RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), it actually differs than the American SAM. In comparison to earlier FLS-1, which is not a fire and forget weapon due to its semi-active laser guidance (nonetheless was dubbed by many Chinese as the Chinese equivalent of RAM when it first appeared), the fire and forget FL-3000N is certainly a step closer to RAM, and the similarity is brought closer due to the passive RF / ImIR guidance system shared by both. However, there is an important distinction between RAM and FL-3000N: FL-3000N is a fin-stabilized in flight, its airframe does not roll in flight.

Specifications:
Length: 2 meters
Diameter: 0.12 meter
Minimum range: < 500 meters
Maximum range: > 9 km for subsonic targets, > 6 km for supersonic targets
Guidance: passive RF + ImIR or ImIR only[citation needed]
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[aimarraul]

 

[rcrmj]

its somehow smaller than RAM, and possibly less accurate than it``

 

[Akasa]

Olllllllllllld news.

These were supposedly in a bid for the F-22P frigate's air defense system, but they were busted by the HHQ-7.

 

[milvipes]

The HQ-7 does have its advantages over FL-3000N in adverse weather.

 

[rcrmj]

Olllllllllllld news.

These were supposedly in a bid for the F-22P frigate's air defense system, but they were busted by the HHQ-7.

fm-3000 lost to HHQ-7 may due to the reason the system is entirly new, and lots of sub-systems are waiting to be tested, once it matured, it will definetly replace HHQ-7 as RAM incorporate new concept in dealing future cruise missile threat.

 

[milvipes]

The radar-tracked, SACLOS HHQ-7 can see through cloud, IR-guided FL-3000N can't.

 

[rcrmj]

The radar-tracked, SACLOS HHQ-7 can see through cloud, IR-guided FL-3000N can't.

fl-3000 is a system, other on deck radars and sensors can provide target's data to fl-3000, while also fl-3000 can work independently with its own. and also fl-3000 is designed to lock IR signiture of incoming cruise missles so radar jamming wont work against fl-3000 unlike HHQ-7 which is ac/pa radar guided``

and also in any case HHQ-7 guiding or targeting radar was destroyed during the battle then it will leave the ship defenseless, whereas, FL-3000 can work on its own, just firing missles towards general direction of incoming missles, and its infrared sensor will pick IR signals finish the rest jobs```

 

[rcrmj]

thats why USA navy destoryers have both short-medium range sea sparrow and RAM on their missle defence manual list``as each one has special capabilities in dealing with different stages of missle defence`

 

[Akasa]

fm-3000 lost to HHQ-7 may due to the reason the system is entirly new, and lots of sub-systems are waiting to be tested, once it matured, it will definetly replace HHQ-7 as RAM incorporate new concept in dealing future cruise missile threat.

FL-3000 is mostly for intercepting small craft like missiles. It is not suitable for high altitude large aircraft like fighters.

That's why it was busted, albeit its ability to engage cruise missiles with fire and forget capability.

Cruise missiles are mostly intercepted by CIWS like Type 730.

Or one can deploy both the FL-3000 and a long range SAM, but that will be more cumbersome.

 

[rcrmj]

FL-3000 is mostly for intercepting small craft like missiles. It is not suitable for high altitude large aircraft like fighters.

That's why it was busted, albeit its ability to engage cruise missiles with fire and forget capability.

Cruise missiles are mostly intercepted by CIWS like Type 730.

Or one can deploy both the FL-3000 and a long range SAM, but that will be more cumbersome.

you are confusing the different roles of missile interception and aircraft intercepetion, as well as the ability of dealing multipul targets (FL-300) and single target handling CIWS like type730.

HHQ-7 has maximun engagement range of less than 20 KM, at nowadays who is going to approach the target ship within 20 KM and attack? most of anti-ship missles will be launched around 80Km away from the ship, so it makes HHQ-7 useless in this sense.. anti aircraft jobs will be left for HQ-9s not HHQ-7``

and HHQ-7 is radar guided missile, so it is possible to be jammed and not very accurate thats why it uses fragment warhead. and it also requires other on deck sensors to provide earlier and essential datas to HHQ-7.. however in FL-3000's case, the missile is homed IR signiture of incoming missile, once the intercepting missile is launched there is no other jobs needed from deck or other sensors afterwards. and it is design for direct hit or very close approximicity thats why its has very small warhead.

type-07 can only dealing one target first once destoryed then move to the next one, whereas as explained earlier FL-3000 just need to launch missiles to rough direction of incoming cruise missles, the intercepting missile itself will do the rest jobs, so in theory there is no limit that how many targets it can deal with as long as they hv enoght FL-3000s readily to launch`

 

[xhw1986]

How many variants are there ?

 

[no_name]

you are confusing the different roles of missile interception and aircraft intercepetion, as well as the ability of dealing multipul targets (FL-300) and single target handling CIWS like type730.

HHQ-7 has maximun engagement range of less than 20 KM, at nowadays who is going to approach the target ship within 20 KM and attack? most of anti-ship missles will be launched around 80Km away from the ship, so it makes HHQ-7 useless in this sense.. anti aircraft jobs will be left for HQ-9s not HHQ-7``

and HHQ-7 is radar guided missile, so it is possible to be jammed and not very accurate thats why it uses fragment warhead. and it also requires other on deck sensors to provide earlier and essential datas to HHQ-7.. however in FL-3000's case, the missile is homed IR signiture of incoming missile, once the intercepting missile is launched there is no other jobs needed from deck or other sensors afterwards. and it is design for direct hit or very close approximicity thats why its has very small warhead.

type-07 can only dealing one target first once destoryed then move to the next one, whereas as explained earlier FL-3000 just need to launch missiles to rough direction of incoming cruise missles, the intercepting missile itself will do the rest jobs, so in theory there is no limit that how many targets it can deal with as long as they hv enoght FL-3000s readily to launch`

Can it differentiate between nearby friendly aircraft and enemy missiles?

 

[Akasa]

you are confusing the different roles of missile interception and aircraft intercepetion, as well as the ability of dealing multipul targets (FL-300) and single target handling CIWS like type730.

HHQ-7 has maximun engagement range of less than 20 KM, at nowadays who is going to approach the target ship within 20 KM and attack? most of anti-ship missles will be launched around 80Km away from the ship, so it makes HHQ-7 useless in this sense.. anti aircraft jobs will be left for HQ-9s not HHQ-7``

and HHQ-7 is radar guided missile, so it is possible to be jammed and not very accurate thats why it uses fragment warhead. and it also requires other on deck sensors to provide earlier and essential datas to HHQ-7.. however in FL-3000's case, the missile is homed IR signiture of incoming missile, once the intercepting missile is launched there is no other jobs needed from deck or other sensors afterwards. and it is design for direct hit or very close approximicity thats why its has very small warhead.

type-07 can only dealing one target first once destoryed then move to the next one, whereas as explained earlier FL-3000 just need to launch missiles to rough direction of incoming cruise missles, the intercepting missile itself will do the rest jobs, so in theory there is no limit that how many targets it can deal with as long as they hv enoght FL-3000s readily to launch`

I think you are missing my point. I'm not arguing that the HQ-7 is the only replacement of the FL-3000. The HQ-9 or HQ-10 is perfect for the job. You are right; modern aircraft launch stand off weapons at hundreds of kilometers away. However, what's a FL-3000 going to help against that? It can't shoot down heavy aircraft. It can't reach high altitude aircraft. And what if the enemy uses bombs instead of missiles, at 60 km away?

The FL-3000's fire and forget capability is rendered useless if it doesn't have enough range to hit enemy fast flying aircraft. Large missiles like the HQ-9 and HQ-10 are meant to destroy targets before they are in range of hitting the ship. FL-3000 is a terminal interception weapon; a last chance weapon, as one calls it. If it doesn't hit the target, then you are dead. However, if the HQ-9 misses its target (which is highly unlikely), it has another chance to fire.

FL-3000 destroys the incoming weapons. HQ-9 and such missiles destroy the source that's launching the incoming weapons.