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One of the more intriguing facets of the India-China relationship is the Chinese leadership's pathological allergy to the Indian media. On the face of it, you can see why. The barrage of reportage and opinion pouring out every time China staples visas for Kashmiris or their troops "cross" over an unmarked boundary line can be disconcerting.

In official discussions, the Indian government is repeatedly asked by the Chinese side to rein in the media. During Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao's December visit to Delhi, they were clear - no media events, no questions or press conferences - and only consented to sit in the same room with them. Indian officials half-joked, "They're afraid of you guys."

The reason is closer home than the Chinese let on. Indian media reports, they say, prompt a viral backlash from China's own online denizens that might be just what the Chinese leadership wants to avoid.

With 500 million voluble internet users in China, there are signs that the leadership is showing itself to be more "responsive" to these online vigilantes, making "Net nationalists" a new factor in Chinese policy making. India needs to focus on this untried aspect of Chinese foreign policy, because unchecked, it could have an altogether unexpected, even disturbing, effect on ties.

In India, media is accepted as part of the national cacophony. In China, however, the lack of free private media means that Chinese popular sentiment gets channelled into the mushrooming online forums. Jingoistic nationalism is often the order of the day.

On good days, online nationalism is used quite effectively by the Chinese authorities. In 2005, new Japanese textbooks resulted in a viral backlash from China's netizens, prompting protests outside the Japanese embassy in Beijing. The government let the crowds speak for themselves until they appeared to gather momentum, then crushed them ruthlessly. Similar protests accompanied the cancellation of the EU-China summit in 2008 and most recently, Japan's arrest of a Chinese fisherman who rammed a Japanese coast guard vessel. But while Japan and the US occupy top slots in Chinese popular opinion, India does not figure much on their radar. Most scholars will tell you that the Chinese don't spend their time thinking about India the way Indians obsess about China.

However, a new and comprehensive study on Chinese online nationalism vis-a-vis India is disturbingly revealing. The study, by Simon Shen (to be published in the forthcoming issue of China Quarterly), author of Online Chinese Nationalism and China's Bilateral Relations and professor in social sciences at the Hong Kong Institute of Education, concludes, "India is perhaps the only major nation which is perceived as both culturally and socially inferior to China on the one hand but is capable of offering a legitimate challenge to China - with proven realist intention - on the other. Because of this, any economic, material or territorial defeat by India would be seen as unacceptable face-loss for Chinese online nationalists and could have fatal consequences for the party-state."

Shen trawled through major Chinese online forums like Tianya Community Forum, Strong Nation Forum (two million users), Community for Iron and Blood, Phoenix Net Forum and Resuscitation Forum between 2006 and 2009, tracking online representations by Chinese citizens on hot-button issues concerning India.

The essence of Chinese online opinion on India and Indians is rather simplistic, dominated by racial stereotypes. Indians as dark, dirty, smelly, poor - these impressions stand out in their majority. Significantly, even if India's economic performance or technological achievements are underrated, India is seen as a sovereignty-spoiler for Chinese. Primarily because the Dalai Lama lives in India as well as the growing impression that India is only a "tool" for the US and Japan.

China's "all-weather" friendship with Pakistan is amply reflected and approved of by the online nationalists. It's considered China's best card against a presumptive India. Shen says, "In order to fight back against India diplomatically...netizens call for India's return to Pakistan of its occupied lands in Kashmir."

Why should we take Chinese online nationalism seriously? Because, as more and more studies show, it's becoming a factor in Chinese policy. The leadership may use media to control information and shape opinion, but the Net allows Chinese to channel opinions and frustrations online. Certainly in the past few years, it has become a potent way to spur the leadership on. Chinese netizens are typically very critical of the government on domestic issues but these are subject to authorities' tolerance threshold. On foreign policy, they have a freer hand - more and more retired diplomats and military officers as well as party leaders are now taking recourse to online discourse.

The danger is that there could come a point when this online nationalism directed against India could direct itself against the party. As Shen says, "The most important of all consequences of our findings is the fact that Chinese netizens have made India the bete noire for their government." Chinese online opinion of India is markedly different from the official propaganda. Given that the Chinese leadership likes to shape its people's opinions, that's clearly not happening here. What gives?

Indian policy needs to be more aware of this new dynamic driver of Chinese policy and find ways to influence this opinion. The last thing we want complicating this already complex relationship is a bunch of Net nuts.

Blurb: With 500 million voluble internet users in China, the leadership is showing itself to be more "responsive" to these online vigilantes, making "Net nationalists" a new factor in policy making

Read more: Chinese nationalism goes viral - The Times of India Chinese nationalism goes viral - The Times of India
 
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The reason is closer home than the Chinese let on.

Indian media reports, they say, prompt a viral backlash from China's own online denizens that might be just what the Chinese leadership wants to avoid.

Interesting theory. I know it annoys me when I read the ToI and other parts of the Indian media talking crap about China, I'm sure others feel the same way.

Whereas the Chinese media almost NEVER talks about India. This applies to both the state media and to private media, in both the mainland and in HK.
 
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Interesting theory. I know it annoys me when I read the ToI and other parts of the Indian media talking crap about China, I'm sure others feel the same way.

Whereas the Chinese media almost NEVER talks about India. This applies to both the state media and to private media, in both the mainland and in HK.

Though frankly nothing can be done about it from our side because it will be a huge issue if anyone tries to muzzle the press.

It is upto the Chinese 'netizens' to distinguish between the official GoI policy and what the media says because like in China they are not the same here.
 
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Interesting theory. I know it annoys me when I read the ToI and other parts of the Indian media talking crap about China, I'm sure others feel the same way.

Whereas the Chinese media almost NEVER talks about India. This applies to both the state media and to private media, in both the mainland and in HK.

more chinese in india-defence forum then indian in china-defence..
more chinese spies cought in india then in japan or US...

chinese much more focus on india , but with a difference that they won't express it...

ask yourself , are you here on this forum to get pakistan related news or indian...?
 
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Interesting theory. I know it annoys me when I read the ToI and other parts of the Indian media talking crap about China, I'm sure others feel the same way.

Whereas the Chinese media almost NEVER talks about India. This applies to both the state media and to private media, in both the mainland and in HK.

In a way, it would be too boring if we don't get something like this to read about everyday? I will feel hollow if I have to live a day without dogs barking in my back yard :taz:

Just let them be. It's good to have people regarding China as a worthy competitor. Enough for them to devote so much time on anyway :cheers:
 
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It is upto the Chinese 'netizens' to distinguish between the official GoI policy and what the media says because like in China they are not the same here.

Chinese media is usually quite reliable when it comes to providing information about official policies.

Maybe a lot of people will assume the same happens in India.

When I first heard the name "Times of India" I assumed it to be like "The Times" in Britain, or some other reliable paper. Only after coming to PDF did I find out that they are not regarded as being reliable.
 
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In a way, it would be too boring if we don't get something like this to read about everyday? I will feel hollow if I have to live a day without dogs barking in my back yard :taz:

Just let them be. It's good to have people regarding China as a worthy competitor. Enough for them to devote so much time on anyway :cheers:

Maybe you're right...
 
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Chinese media is usually quite reliable when it comes to providing information about official policies.

Maybe a lot of people will assume the same happens in India.

And that assumption should vanish among them. You do know the Press functions differently in China and India.

When I first heard the name "Times of India" I assumed it to be like "The Times" in Britain, or some other reliable paper. Only after coming to PDF did I find out that they are not regarded as reliable.

Now that is overdoing it.

Yes they are a bit sensationalist (capitalism at work) but then it is not as bad as it is made out to be by people across the border.

They dont do things like publishing fake news (leaks) and later apologising for it.
 
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In a way, it would be too boring if we don't get something like this to read about everyday? I will feel hollow if I have to live a day without dogs barking in my back yard :taz:

Just let them be. It's good to have people regarding China as a worthy competitor. Enough for them to devote so much time on anyway :cheers:

who is devoting time on whom..?..you has in almost every post mentioning india
 
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And that assumption should vanish among them. You do know the Press functions differently in China and India.

Now that is overdoing it.

Yes they are a bit sensationalist (capitalism at work) but then it is not as bad as it is made out to be by people across the border.

They dont do things like publishing fake news (leaks) and later apologising for it.

I always considered "NDTV" to be (relatively) more reliable, as far as Indian news sources go, but they still print things like this?

China could attack India before 2012 - NDTV.com
 
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Chinese media is usually quite reliable when it comes to providing information about official policies.

Maybe a lot of people will assume the same happens in India.

When I first heard the name "Times of India" I assumed it to be like "The Times" in Britain, or some other reliable paper. Only after coming to PDF did I find out that they are not regarded as being reliable.

It is more western propaganda that Chinese media is the mouth piece of Chinese government but you said it right it is reliable and mostly provides information on official policies and because some people don't like them they try to taint the whole thing by saying oh look there is no freedom of press which is a total exaggeration.It is totally wrong to assume that what indian media says is not what GOI believes because believe me indian media is the true mouth piece of its government.They just disguise it well as they are quite adapt at hypocrisy.
 
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It is totally wrong to assume that what indian media says is not what GOI believes because believe me indian media is the true mouth piece of its government.They just disguise it well as they are quite adapt at hypocrisy.

That's correct, and it's not just India.

The so-called free press in democracies is often used by the administration to
- spread propaganda through 'leaks' and 'unnamed sources'
- gauge public reaction to policy matters by 'leaking' proposals

Also, the article mentions 500 million netizens which seems a bit high. It implies practically every other Chinese is online, including babies and old people. Whatever the number, however, this is the true voice of the Chinese people and it's condescending to dismiss them as 'Net nuts'.
 
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I always considered "NDTV" to be (relatively) more reliable, as far as Indian news sources go, but they still print things like this?

China could attack India before 2012 - NDTV.com

NDTV is by far the most left-leaning, pro-China visual media house in India. And I repeat , By far. The print counterpart is 'The Hindu'.

And NDTV's credibility has taken a hit considering its chief editor , Barkha Dutt has been named by Nira Radia in the paid news controversy.

And yes regarding that link - it is Press Freedom.
 
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NDTV is by far the most left-leaning, pro-China visual media house in India. And I repeat , By far.

So even the most pro-China media organizations in India, still print headlines like "China could attack India before 2012"? :undecided:

Karthic, what would you consider to be the most reliable news sources in India? I don't mind if they lean to the left or to the right.
 
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