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WASHINGTON — Chinese manufacturers made more than half of the goods that the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission recalled last year, but few of them paid any price for producing defective wares.

The long list of faulty products included Chinese-made highchairs whose seat backs failed, steam cleaners that burned their users, bikes whose front-wheel forks broke, saunas that overheated, illuminated exit signs that stopped working when commercial power failed, dune buggies whose seat belts broke on impact and coffee makers that overheated and started fires.


It also included loosely knotted soccer goal nets that entrapped and strangled a child and a toy chest whose poorly supported lid fell on a toddler's neck and killed him, according to CPSC filings.

The difficulty in recovering damages is a lesson that U.S. homeowners who are stuck with defective and possibly toxic Chinese drywall are likely to learn in the coming months. Builders installed the drywall in 2004-5 when the home building boom outstripped U.S. drywall supplies. The CPSC and the Environmental Protection Agency are investigating the consequences.

While everyone involved is likely to be sued — installers, contractors, distributors, importers and Chinese manufacturers — the last are the hardest to reach by far.

For starters, suing a Chinese company in a Chinese court isn't a good idea for most American plaintiffs, said Michael Lyle, a seasoned international lawyer. "It's like suing Michael Jordan in Chicago."

Yet many Chinese manufacturers also evade trial in the U.S. simply by persuading judges that their companies had no substantial business presence in the states in which they've been sued. That's not hard for Chinese manufacturers, which typically rely on independent importers to sell to the American market.

A Senate Judiciary subcommittee is considering measures to make that defense — which has been invoked in scores of product liability suits — more difficult. For now, however, it's so effective that many U.S. tort lawyers won't take cases against Chinese products unless there are American co-defendants. Further, if the U.S. defendants are forced to pay up, the likelihood of their successfully suing the Chinese manufacturers is as distant as the customers'.

Lyle — the managing partner of the Washington office of the New York firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges — and other international lawyers say the larger problem is that the growth of globalized trade has outrun the legal systems that were created to check its excesses.

"It's in the nature of economic development that systems of remedy develop out of the need to fix what's gone wrong, so they develop more slowly," said Charles Toy, the manager of a Washington-based international private-equity fund who once practiced law in Hong Kong and Beijing.

That's no comfort to American defendants who must accept court judgments that Chinese manufacturers can flout.

Moreover, without the threat of high-dollar damage claims, Chinese and other foreign manufacturers can continue to produce shoddy and dangerous goods undeterred. That's clear from another part of the CPSC's list of recalls. It cites 2008 makers of faulty and sometimes deadly products that the agency deemed defective years ago but are still being shipped here. They included breakable toys on which infants can choke, lead toys, toys painted in appetizing lead-based colors and cribs whose slats are far enough apart to trap babies' heads.

To be sure, the frequency of recalls that involve Chinese makers reflects the country's outsized role in supplying Americans with low-priced goods. Roughly 40 percent of imported U.S. consumer goods are from China.

Their recall rate is much higher than 40 percent, however. In 2007, the CPSC named Chinese makers in 69 percent of all recalls, of both imported and domestically produced goods. In 2008, China's share was 53 percent.

There are four impediments to lawsuits by American plaintiffs that lawmakers would like to remedy:

First, some imports say only "Made in China" on them and don't name the manufacturers. That's the case for lots of the drywall that the CPSC links to gases and corroded metals in hundreds of new homes, mainly in Florida and other Southeastern and Gulf Coast states. Producers can be tracked through retailers, wholesalers, importers and exporters, but it's expensive and time-consuming work, said Chuck Stefan, a principal in The Mitchell Co. of Mobile, Ala., a Southeastern homebuilder tagged with defective drywall problems in 45 homes.

Second, once a foreign maker is identified, the suit must be translated into the native language, delivered to the manufacturer's home government and served on the company by an agent of the home government. In China, this usually takes a year. When a powerful government-owned company is involved, as China's biggest gypsum producer allegedly is in the drywall case, serving legal papers can take much longer.

Third, U.S. state and federal courts vary in their standards of how much business foreign manufacturers must conduct in a state before it's fair to sue them. Is it enough, for example, if a company's products have been offered at a convention in the state? Or if the territory of a distributor includes the state? If a judge deems the ties inadequate, a foreign company "may not be able to be sued in the U.S. at all," said Louise Ellen Teitz, a specialist in transnational litigation at the Roger Williams University School of Law in Bristol, R.I.

Fourth, even if a U.S. court finds a Chinese manufacturer liable for a defective product, getting money from the company is difficult if it has no American assets. Moreover, no agreement exists between the U.S. and China when it comes to enforcing judgments. So an American plaintiff, in many cases, would have to refight the case in a Chinese court to recover damages.

In addition to encountering these obstacles in suits that involve foreign manufacturers, plaintiffs' lawyers also are faced with their use as negotiating tools by Chinese companies' attorneys, said Thomas Gowen, a specialist in international product-liability claims at the Lock Law Firm in Philadelphia. "They say, 'You're never going to collect, so you might as well take what we're offering you.' And this is often less than what the case might be worth.''

Some help may come from Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, the chairman of the Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight and the Courts. He's preparing a bill that would require foreign manufacturers to:

_ Register their companies in the U.S. if they sell here.

_ Retain American agents who could be sued.

_ Consent to jurisdiction in single states.

More aggressive steps, such as requiring foreign manufacturers to take out liability insurance that's sufficient to cover judgments against them, seem unlikely. That's largely because American manufacturers fear that other countries might impose similar measures on imports from the United States



Read more: Chinese makers of shoddy goods rarely face U.S. sanctions | McClatchy
 
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Talk about something that aggravates me as a parent about US not putting more stringent regulations on imported kids toys and consumer goods. Thankfully I check the tag of most all important purchases made...of where it origintes from
 
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America also constantly and repeatedly refuses to label us as currency manipulators, even though the American people are losing their jobs.

US Treasury says China not manipulating currency | Reuters

Thank you to America again! :P

what does that have to do with shoddy products being shipped? and how many times will you look the fool by putting up a debunked old article ?

China Currency Bill: Senators Call Country 'CheatersChina Currency Bill: Senators Call Country 'Cheaters,' Dare U.S. Leaders To Get Tough On Currency

OH look an Oct 6th article !
Obama Says China Manipulates Its Currency. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/10/06/obama-says-china-manipulates-its-currency/
 
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what does that have to do with shoddy products being shipped? and how many times will you look the fool by putting up a debunked old article ?

America does not put sanctions on us for the currency issues, or the shoddy products issues. :lol:

They have time and time again refused to officially label us as currency manipulators, hence no sanctions. One or two senators doesn't change the final result.

They are allowing it to happen, by not trying to stop it.

It's not as if we force anyone to buy our products. It is American corporations who buy them in bulk and get them shipped over there.

Don't like it? Then don't buy it.

Want sanctions? Then do it.
 
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America does not put sanctions on us for the currency issues, or the shoddy products issues. :lol:

They have time and time again refused to officially label us as currency manipulators, hence no sanctions. One or two senators doesn't change the final result.

They are allowing it to happen, by not trying to stop it.

It's not as if we force anyone to buy our products. It is American corporations who buy them in bulk and get them shipped over there.

Don't like it? Then don't buy it.

Want sanctions? Then do it.

Not just senators , just 2 weeks ago obama said it too. see the link I provided.

Yes- we need to do more to stop what the senators called QUOTE:" Cheaters" and what the article called QUOTE " shoddy products"... I agree. You can be proud as a thief is about getting away with buglary. We know low ethics is a national conversation that is ongoing in China. Hopefully some changes in characater traits come out of it...

China vows to make society more accountable - Yahoo! News

The country is also home to the biggest counterfeit market in the world, despite repeated government pledges to root out fake goods. China vows to make society more accountable - Yahoo! News
 
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Two months ago I bought a 40" Toshiba HD TV for $399.00 from Comp USA. I gotta tell yeah, the damn thing is way better than $2900 I spend few years ago for a Sony 50" HD. The TV works like an effing dream. I just can't belive I paid $399 for that. From me and millions of other Americans all I can say is thank you. The load of joy the TV dishes out, priceless !!!
 
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Yes- we need to do more to stop what the senators called QUOTE:" Cheaters" and what the article called QUOTE " shoddy products"... I agree. You can be proud as a thief is about getting away with buglary. We know low ethics is a national conversation that is ongoing in China. Hopefully some changes in characater traits come out of it...

Hahaha, do it then. :D

It is entirely America's decision, whether or not to sanction us for the currency issues, or the shoddy products issues.

They are chosing of their own free will, to allow it to happen. Time and time, and time again.

That's their choice. If you don't like it, then too bad.
 
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As before, we cannot force anyone to buy our products.

They are the ones coming to us, and making an order. No one is forcing them to do that.
 
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does that absolve the facts stated in the article and the ill repute.
 
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Talk about something that aggravates me as a parent about US not putting more stringent regulations on imported kids toys and consumer goods. Thankfully I check the tag of most all important purchases made...of where it origintes from

I feel sorry for you kids since you are the kind of parent who can't even blame the right people, and they will grow up just like you.

Who is selling those product in US? rarely Chinese companies, the products mostly are commissioned and imported by American companies. Usually for a big import business they went for Chinese products are because of the low labor cost. Take clothing for example, most Chinese supplier have no right to choose the material they use, foreign companies tell them where and which type of raw material to use, and they even station quality inspectors to oversee the quality of the products at those OEMs.

The fact is, American companies set the quality standard of the products they import. Their pursuit of profit is the reason you got low quality products. They commission products in China at the lowest quality allowed in your country to reduce production cost, and by lowering the lifespan of a product, more products are sold. One good example is light bulbs, the ones you find in USA are artificially reduced lifespan so they could sell more.

Good quality products like products from Apple are made in China. While they look for low labor cost in China, they also have the ethics and decency to to pay more to make sure the products are up to standards.

As for currency manipulators, while your government refuse to say China is, US government prints billions of US dollars out of thin air, exactly who is manipulating their currency?
 
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I feel sorry for you kids since you are the kind of parent who can't even blame the right people, and they will grow up just like you.

Who is selling those product in US? rarely Chinese companies, the products mostly are commissioned and imported by American companies. Usually for a big import business they went for Chinese products are because of the low labor cost. Take clothing for example, most Chinese supplier have no right to choose the material they use, foreign companies tell them where and which type of raw material to use, and they even station quality inspectors to oversee the quality of the products at those OEMs.

The fact is, American companies set the quality standard of the products they import. Their pursuit of profit is the reason you got low quality products. They commission products in China at the lowest quality allowed in your country to reduce production cost, and by lowering the lifespan of a product, more products are sold. One good example is light bulbs, the ones you find in USA are artificially reduced lifespan so they could sale more.

Good quality products like products from Apple are made in China. While they look for low labor cost in China, they also have the ethics and decency to to pay more to make sure the products are up to standards.

As for currency manipulators, while your government refuse to say China is, US government prints billions of US dollars out of thin air, exactly who is manipulating their currency?

You feel sorry for me that I dont purchase products , typically chinese, that have a record on most dangerous products most often that kills our kids? I'll guess I'll stick to my parenting guide.

And if american corporation are to be blamed soley- then how do you account for more than half of the recalls are specific to your country? They should have these issues with all countries they go for cheap labor..and the balance of recalled items surely should not be weighted towards China. We had a couple years ago tootpaste where lead was found to be contianed in it. Asbestos is sheet rock used in construction, lead in kids toys.

You're right - in the end I can't change what is made in your country -it is americas fault because afterall we should be the gate keeper...no question about it.

The long list of faulty products included Chinese-made highchairs whose seat backs failed, steam cleaners that burned their users, bikes whose front-wheel forks broke, saunas that overheated, illuminated exit signs that stopped working when commercial power failed, dune buggies whose seat belts broke on impact and coffee makers that overheated and started fires.

It also included loosely knotted soccer goal nets that entrapped and strangled a child and a toy chest whose poorly supported lid fell on a toddler's neck and killed him, according to CPSC filings.

Regarding apple - it uses you to assemble product

. The main component inside iPhone 4, the processor, display screen, internal storage and battery are all produced by Korea’s company. So we have just understand that iPhone is actually assembled in China instead, not really a gadget that is ‘Made in China’ iPhone 4 Is Not Made In China ? » M.I.C. Gadget
 
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You feel sorry for me that I dont purchase products , typically chinese, that have a record on most dangerous products most often that kills our kids? I'll guess I'll stick to my parenting guide.

And if american corporation are to be blamed soley- then how do you account for more than half of the recalls are specific to your country? They should have these issues with all countries they go for cheap labor..and the balance of recalled items surely should not be weighted towards China. We had a couple years ago tootpaste where lead was found to be contianed in it. Asbestos is sheet rock used in construction, lead in kids toys.

Regarding apple - it uses you to assemble product

I don't feel sorry for what kind of products you buy, I feel sorry for how you make your judgement.

Your comparison isn't even valid, first the scale is different, half of the recalls, I don't know the exact number but I am pretty sure we produce more than 50% of your products.
And for those other country too, they produce a small percentage of products for now, if they become the major manufacturing, they will be facing the same problem and outcry again because it's not the manufacturing country's fault.

lead in kids toys, I happen to see the Chinese news about it, the OEM told reporters that the raw material was appointed by American company and the design of those products were given too. You didn't see that in your news did you.

Regarding apple - it uses you to assemble product ...lol you are so easily manipulated and how brilliant Apple is to put assembled in China instead of made in China---Where did you think the parts they assembled were made?
 
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I don't feel sorry for what kind of products you buy, I feel sorry for how you make your judgement.

Your comparison isn't even valid, first the scale is different, half of the recalls, I don't know the exact number but I am pretty sure we produce more than 50% of your products.
And for those other country too, they produce a small percentage of products for now, if they become the major manufacturing, they will be facing the same problem and outcry again because it's not the manufacturing country's fault.

lead in kids toys, I happen to see the Chinese news about it, the OEM told reporters that the raw material was appointed by American company and the design of those products were given too. You didn't see that in your news did you.

Regarding apple - it uses you to assemble product ...lol you are so easily manipulated and how brilliant Apple is to put assembled in China instead of made in China---Where did you think the parts they assembled were made?

I make my judement just like any cautious person makes one. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - it is a duck.

Moving along : Here is the problem with your kind. You dont read the post(s) and just reply in haste. WHY?

First- I showed you link and quote that apple parts are made in Korea. If only you bothered to read.
Second- you start the argument by saying you don't know if its 50% of recalled items are chinese- when the original article states so ( you never bothered to read it)
Third - you make claim that chinese products make up MORE THAN 50% of all imported products. The Original article states its 40% or less ( again you never bothered to read, before you leap, so as to speak:) )

Then you go off on OEM blah blah without any links or truth to it.

Lead paint is what your manufactures used to a point where after the scandal your own govt put out a ban on it - let me do the homework for you ( read- As More Toys Are Recalled, Trail Ends in China - As More Toys Are Recalled, Trail Ends in China - New York Times ;

Some skeptical as China bans lead paint in U.S. toys - Some skeptical as China bans lead paint in U.S. toys - ABC News)
 
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I make my judement just like any cautious person makes one. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck - it is a duck.

Moving along : Here is the problem with your kind. You dont read the post(s) and just reply in haste. WHY?

First- I showed you link and quote that apple parts are made in Korea. If only you bothered to read.
Second- you start the argument by saying you don't know if its 50% of recalled items are chinese- when the original article states so ( you never bothered to read it)
Third - you make claim that chinese products make up MORE THAN 50% of all imported products. The Original article states its 40% or less ( again you never bothered to read, before you leap, so as to speak:) )

Then you go off on OEM blah blah without any links or truth to it.

Lead paint is what your manufactures used to a point where after the scandal your own govt put out a ban on it - let me do the homework for you ( read- As More Toys Are Recalled, Trail Ends in China - As More Toys Are Recalled, Trail Ends in China - New York Times ;

Some skeptical as China bans lead paint in U.S. toys - Some skeptical as China bans lead paint in U.S. toys - ABC News)

The recall numbers say more about the American companies that are doing business in China than the manufacturers, as I said, they control the quality.

Sorry I didn't see the link, but after I read it, you still can't say apple parts are made in Korea. Even in the article says most of the electronic parts are made in Korea and Taiwan. And I know that the exterior and the glass screen which you will have most contact with are made in China.

I didn't post the the link because it's in Chinese, since you ask for it, sure
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