Chinese getting tired of ‘Made in China’

[Barrack-Obummer]

Hey, someones gotta make it. You won't catch me buying it though. Bought a glass pipe made in china once, took it home and broke it before I even used it. Lol I was pissed. It's just terrible quality.

 

[Zabaniyah]

^So are iPhones

 

[NiceGuy]

You get what you pay for

And what do people get if they pay money for Melamine milk and toxic medicine??

Toxic Gelatin Medicine Capsules Cause Outcry in China
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/chi...ne-capsules-cause-outcry-in-china-226076.html

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Goods made in china cheap, but you will have to accept the risks high in quality, reliability, safety...
I have practical experience about that, and now I always know that buy it as little as possible.
Just in case there is no other choice...

 

[Zabaniyah]

And what do people get if they pay money for Melamine milk and toxic medicine??

Then don't buy them.

 

[gambit]

^So are iPhones

The "I do not buy 'Made in China'" argument is problematic at the consumer level. What is called 'high end' or durable goods that came from China are not really 'from' China. The components are manufactured elsewhere, shipped to China and assembled into product X, Y, or Z. If anything that is of these 'high end' products that are actually manufactured in China, that thing will be manufactured under supervision and quality demands that would be unacceptable to most Chinese manufacturers intended for domestic markets. Apple invested several hundred$$ of million$$ into my current employer, a US manufacturer of memory products, to secure a percentage per quarter. That leave Apple free to purchase from our competitors as well, namely from the Koreans. As far as I know, Apple will not touch anything from any mainland Chinese fabs. Apple is our 'tier one' customer and this type of clients take their sources very seriously.

This article is from 2009 but given the nature of institutional inertia, business and government, people and cultures, its points are still relevant today...

Why China's Chip Industry Won't Catch America's - BusinessWeek

BARRIERS TO PROGRESS

Because of China's poor reputation for protecting intellectual property,...

... the general perception is that China's design shops are good with common reference designs but struggle to produce true silicon breakthroughs.

...China's fledgling academic programs which, while ambitious and well funded, produce quantity at the cost of quality. Likewise, China's pool of MBAs does not have the depth of consistency of MBAs from countries with longer histories of business studies and research. And unlike young engineers and MBAs in Silicon Valley, young Chinese engineers and MBAs lack role models who have taken companies public or created truly innovative products earlier in their careers.

The breakthroughs demanded are something like NAND memory, which came from Toshiba, a Japanese company. The best type of LCD technology is in-plane switching (IPS) which Apple demand for the iPhone and iPad, also came from the Japanese.

So when you have something like the iPhone, I have no problem with its 'Assembled in China' or whatever version of it. I know better. But for more commodity item like drywall...

Chinese-made drywall ruining homes, owners say - CNN

Officials are looking into claims that Chinese-made drywall installed in some Florida homes is emitting smelly, corrosive gases and ruining household systems such as air conditioners, the Consumer Product Safety Commission says.

The Florida Health Department, which is investigating whether the drywall poses any health risks, said it has received more than 140 homeowner complaints. And class-action lawsuits allege defective drywall has caused problems in at least three states -- Florida, Louisiana and Alabama -- while some attorneys involved claim such drywall may have been used in tens of thousands of U.S. homes.

Or the more deadly melanin tainted milk, I do not buy 'Made in China'. It takes work to discriminate.

 

[Skallagrim]

In recent years good quality products have become a rarity in many areas.

Chinese goods are cheap (of course at the expense of quality) and so sell in large volumes. Products of Japan, USA or European origin are expensive, but of high quality and durable.In the past one could easily find quality goods in the local market. This is not the case now. Because of the high inventory turnover of cheap Chinese commodities local stores nowadays don't keep alternative good quality brands. The resulting short supply results into a further increase of their sales price.

The presence of cheap Chinese origin products in the market is not the nuisance per se, but that they have crowded out the good quality products is a disgusting fact.

 

[Skallagrim]

Chinese getting tired of ?Made in China? - MarketWatch



The world is tired of "Made In China" goods. Now Chinese are getting tired of "Made In China" too and are looking at imported better quality product too.

Also production cost of commodities would be higher as workers' wage is increasing, especially for labor intensive industries. Now they would be investing in the third world in increasing numbers.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Also production cost of commodities would be higher as workers' wage is increasing, especially for labor intensive industries. Now they would be investing in the third world in increasing numbers.

International buyers look to long-term apparel business ties in Bangladesh as the country has the potential to supply quality apparel items. Garment exports from Bangladesh may not be deeply hurt by a debt crisis in the European Union, as the country has strong competitiveness, buyers said. As other competing countries like China, Vietnam, India and Pakistan are facing higher costs of production, Bangladesh is becoming more popular with the buyers for affordable prices of garment items.

::..BGMEA B2B Web Portal..::

*Quietly reaps the benefits*

 

[below_freezing]

The "I do not buy 'Made in China'" argument is problematic at the consumer level. What is called 'high end' or durable goods that came from China are not really 'from' China. The components are manufactured elsewhere, shipped to China and assembled into product X, Y, or Z. If anything that is of these 'high end' products that are actually manufactured in China, that thing will be manufactured under supervision and quality demands that would be unacceptable to most Chinese manufacturers intended for domestic markets. Apple invested several hundred$$ of million$$ into my current employer, a US manufacturer of memory products, to secure a percentage per quarter. That leave Apple free to purchase from our competitors as well, namely from the Koreans. As far as I know, Apple will not touch anything from any mainland Chinese fabs. Apple is our 'tier one' customer and this type of clients take their sources very seriously.

This article is from 2009 but given the nature of institutional inertia, business and government, people and cultures, its points are still relevant today...

Why China's Chip Industry Won't Catch America's - BusinessWeek

The breakthroughs demanded are something like NAND memory, which came from Toshiba, a Japanese company. The best type of LCD technology is in-plane switching (IPS) which Apple demand for the iPhone and iPad, also came from the Japanese.

So when you have something like the iPhone, I have no problem with its 'Assembled in China' or whatever version of it. I know better. But for more commodity item like drywall...

Chinese-made drywall ruining homes, owners say - CNN

Or the more deadly melanin tainted milk, I do not buy 'Made in China'. It takes work to discriminate.

Memory's a commodity product mostly. Optical telecom networks are always one of a kind custom built. The degree of complexity of optical networks and their components such as optical switches, and the components of those, such as DSP chips, are far greater than that of memory products. Huawei produces all of these, as well as in-house designs for cell phone processors.

Speaking of memory though... China makes headway in mass memory system - People's Daily Online

 

[longyi]

Hey, someones gotta make it. You won't catch me buying it though. Bought a glass pipe made in china once, took it home and broke it before I even used it. Lol I was pissed. It's just terrible quality.

Don't talk so fast, Buddy, look into your draws and check what you are wearing and check how many items that are made in China. Without the 'cheap imports' from China for the past 2 decades, all our daily necessities probably cost twice as much today.

 

[Solomon2]

An Iphone made in China is O.K. But based on experience I try to avoid Chinese-made steel products and seek out Indonesian or U.S. stuff instead. I suspect the divide is between state-owned "iron rice bowl" industry with dated infrastructure and newer stuff financed, managed, and built by capitalists.

 

[below_freezing]

An Iphone made in China is O.K. But based on experience I try to avoid Chinese-made steel products and seek out Indonesian or U.S. stuff instead. I suspect the divide is between state-owned "iron rice bowl" industry with dated infrastructure and newer stuff financed, managed, and built by capitalists.

Opposite. The capitalist owned corporations often have lower quality due to cutting corners to maximize profit. This is done mostly by Taiwanese owned manufacturers. The state owned industries are the ones with the absolute highest standards because they don't have to worry about profitability, just reputation. That's why Shanghai Electric's industrial turbines and boilers are dominant in world markets, and China's high speed rail is safer than Germany's, yet the cheap plastic crap is just bad.

 

[Korean]

I suspect the divide is between state-owned "iron rice bowl" industry with dated infrastructure and newer stuff financed, managed, and built by capitalists.

The rule is the origin of brand.

"Made In China" goods by foreign brands is OK.
"Made In China" goods by Chinese brands is not OK.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The rule is the origin of brand.

"Made In China" goods by foreign brands is OK.
"Made In China" goods by Chinese brands is not OK.

I agree with this "rule". Only thing that I would add is that I try not to eat anything that is made in China or made from Chinese components. I don't trust food safety system in China. And, I will not buy anything for my dog to eat either that has Chinese materials in it, if I can tell from the labeling.