Chinese Gen.: "“If a US carrier enters the Yellow Sea it will become a living target"

[Honor]

Yer just jealous because China was unable to be an imperialist state...

There is different comment from Indian side who says China is an imperialist state.

So what actually is China?

 

[Rank]

HAHHAHAHAHAH TALIBAN FUCKD AMERICANS such country and those poeple who dont have so called SUPER DUPER MILITARY AIRFORCE NAVY FUDK AMERICANS and you are talking about CHINA LOL

American Fkd in EVERYBATTLE!

3 Operations in Afghanistan 3 time SLAP from Afghan Freedom Fighters
Iraq
Vietnam

LOL @ AMERICAN CAPABILITY!!! Exactly no one challange Americans lol

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

China has governed Tibet more than 800 years!

If the USA is not impearlist, there exist Republic of Texas, Republic of California, Republic of Puerto Rico, Republic of Alaska, Kingdom of Hawaii.


Some foolish Western Whites and White American try to distort Chinese history!

The USA bought Alaska, Puerto Rico can do anything they want, but what you are referring too happen 200 years ago, China invaded and conqured Tibet in 1950 an treats them brutally. An its seems to me rather silly compareing what happen to the american Indians two or three hundred years ago to the genocide of more then 70 million chinese by their own goverment which is still in power and happen in the last sixty years.. Man talking about the pot calling the kettle black, or straining at Swallowing, a nat but being able to Swallow camel this really fits.

YouTube - Chinese Authorities Brutal Treatment of Tibetans - New ...
Mar 24, 2009 ... Since March 2008 ----- Over 220 Tibetans Killed. Over 5600 were Arrested. 290 Sentenced. Over 1294 injured.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_wYEP_re1o

 

[chauism]

The USA bought Alaska, Puerto Rico can do anything they want, but what you are referring too happen 200 years ago, China invaded and conqured Tibet in 1950 an treats them brutally. An its seems to me rather silly compareing what happen to the american Indians two or three hundred years ago to the genocide of more then 70 million chinese by their own goverment which is still in power and happen in the last sixty years.. Man talking about the pot calling the kettle black, or straining at Swallowing, a nat but being able to Swallow camel this really fits.

YouTube - Chinese Authorities Brutal Treatment of Tibetans - New ...
Mar 24, 2009 ... Since March 2008 ----- Over 220 Tibetans Killed. Over 5600 were Arrested. 290 Sentenced. Over 1294 injured.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_wYEP_re1o

How about Hawaii, which US forcefully annexed involving overthrow of Queen Liliʻuokalani not more than 100 year ago. It was not until 1993 a joint Apology Resolution regarding the overthrow was passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton, apologizing for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

So China's government still have around 60 years to apologize for any of its wrong doing to the Tibetans by US standard.

For those numbers, you might want to check their authenticities. Hope you know what happened in Mar 2008.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

How about Hawaii, which US forcefully annexed involving overthrow of Queen Liliʻuokalani not more than 100 year ago. It was not until 1993 a joint Apology Resolution regarding the overthrow was passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton, apologizing for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

So China's government still have around 60 years to apologize for any of its wrong doing to the Tibetans by US standard.

For those numbers, you might want to check their authenticities. Hope you know what happened in Mar 2008.[/QUOT

Not sure you are referring to the riots in tibet or the so called election in China.

How about Hawaii,, they voted to became a state.

In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law. (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept.

When is the last time some one voted to be part of China..

 

[chauism]

Not sure you are referring to the riots in tibet or the so called election in China.

How about Hawaii,, they voted to became a state.

In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law. (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept.

When is the last time some one voted to be part of China..

The annexation of Hawaii was in 1896, before 1959 it was just US territory much like Puerto Rico right now.

So let's say there is an universal voting for whether should Tibet to be part of PRC in China? What do you think the outcome will be?

Since you know about the riot, then check the authenticities of the number you have cited from many different sources.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

There is different comment from Indian side who says China is an imperialist state.

So what actually is China?

Functionally, it is a highly bureaucratic, multi-level, single-party republic. Starting at the very lowest levels, the chinese elect a representative to serve on a local council. These councils elect a representative to the city council, which elects a member to a regional council, etc. The current system requires everyone to be a member of the same political party. The system can be called communist, however, it is a relatively unique system in which an established bureaucracy is interwoven into a republician structure with marxist philosophy that is engaged in capitalist economic system. Communism lasted 80 years befor it imploded, not sure about what system that China is useing,, guess time will tell.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

The annexation of Hawaii was in 1896, before 1959 it was just US territory much like Puerto Rico right now.

So let's say there is an universal voting for whether should Tibet to be part of PRC in China? What do you think the outcome will be?

Since you know about the riot, then check the authenticities of the number you have cited from many different sources.

Depends on how many Chinese move into Tibet.

 

[satangel]

How about Hawaii, which US forcefully annexed involving overthrow of Queen Liliʻuokalani not more than 100 year ago. It was not until 1993 a joint Apology Resolution regarding the overthrow was passed by Congress and signed by President Clinton, apologizing for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.

So China's government still have around 60 years to apologize for any of its wrong doing to the Tibetans by US standard.

For those numbers, you might want to check their authenticities. Hope you know what happened in Mar 2008.[/QUOT

Not sure you are referring to the riots in tibet or the so called election in China.

How about Hawaii,, they voted to became a state.

In March 1959, Congress passed the Hawaii Admission Act and U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it into law. (The act excluded Palmyra Atoll, part of the Kingdom and Territory of Hawaii, from the new state.) On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept.

When is the last time some one voted to be part of China..

Last time I checked, red necked Indian boys and girls cast no vote to be killed and merged into US. And states like Texas did not either. I mean no offense in fact just my POV. If you feel like, you can take it as a joke.

Talking about history is under specific circumstances very boring. Accept the reality. I am not interested to quote what the reality is. Use some imagination and reasoning.

 

[chauism]

Depends on how many Chinese move into Tibet.

Well, it doesn't matter right now, does it? Otherwise free Tibet means expulsion of all non-Tibetan in Tibet, and history has taught us where that leads to. "Cough" Bosnia "Cough"

If you read <Tibet Through Chinese Eyes> by Peter Hessler, then you will know Tibet is not going to do well without China.

Tibet Through Chinese Eyes

On June 27 of that year, a referendum asked residents of Hawaii to vote on the statehood bill. Hawaii voted 17 to 1 to accept.

The bill was for Statehood, not for independence. So China can also have a referendum just for Tibetans asking whether they want Tibet keep being an AR/providence or downgrade to something else. What outcome will it be then?

 

[somebozo]

Well china is not India and it doesnt need to sit in US lap. Its a veto power and can play Iran card anytime. And China will have no problem siezing the carrier..remember string of pearls?

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

Well, it doesn't matter right now, does it? Otherwise free Tibet means expulsion of all non-Tibetan in Tibet, and history has taught us where that leads to. "Cough" Bosnia "Cough"

If you read <Tibet Through Chinese Eyes> by Peter Hessler, then you will know Tibet is not going to do well without China.

Tibet Through Chinese Eyes

Tibet Through Chinese Eyes, very interesting article, makes one wonder who is going to be next victim "Cough" charity case.

 

[chauism]

Tibet Through Chinese Eyes, very interesting article, makes one wonder who is going to be next victim "Cough" charity case.

FYI, the author is not Chinese. Just read the article besides its title then comment, would you. Stop being so sallow.

 

[chauism]

Tibet Through Chinese Eyes, very interesting article, makes one wonder who is going to be next victim "Cough" charity case.

In case you care about the well being of minorities in China, here are two really good articles for you.

The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations

by Floyd Rudmin


Global Research, April 18, 2008
CommonDreams.org - 2008-04-14

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We hear that Tibetans suffer &#8220;demographic aggression&#8221; and &#8220;cultural genocide&#8221;. But we do not hear those terms applied to Spanish and French policies toward the Basque minority. We do not hear those terms applied to the US annexation of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1898. And Diego Garcia? In 1973, not so long ago, the UK forcibly deported the entire native Chagossian population from the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia. People were allowed one suitcase of clothing. Nothing else. Family pets were gassed, then cremated. Complete ethnic cleansing. Complete cultural destruction. Why? In order to build a big US air base. It has been used to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq, and soon maybe to bomb Iran and Pakistan. Diego Garcia, with nobody there but Brits and Americans, is also a perfect place for rendition, torture and other illegal actions.

When the Olympics come to London in 2012, the Dalai Lama and Desmond Tutu will certainly lead the demonstrators protesting the &#8220;demographic aggression&#8221; and &#8220;cultural genocide&#8221; in Diego Garcia. The UN Secretary General, the President of France, the Chancellor of Germany, the new US President and the entire US Congress will certainly boycott the opening ceremonies.

The height of hypocrisy is this moral posturing about 100 dead in race riots in Lhasa, while the USA, UK and more than 40 nations in the Coalition of the Willing wage a war of aggression against Iraq. This is not &#8220;demographic aggression&#8221; but raw shock-and-awe aggression. A war crime. A war on civilians, including the intentional destruction of the water and sewage systems, and the electrical grid. More than one million Iraqis are now dead; five million made into refugees. The Western invaders may not be doing &#8220;cultural genocide&#8221; but they are doing cultural destruction on an immense scale, in the very cradle of Western Civilization. Why is the news filled with demonstrators about Tibet but not about Iraq?

And as everyone knows but few dare say, &#8220;demographic aggression&#8221; and &#8220;cultural genocide&#8221; can be applied most accurately to Israel&#8217;s settlement policies and systematic destruction of Palestinian communities. On this, the Dalai Lama seems silent. Demonstrators don&#8217;t wave flags for bulldozed homes, destroyed orchards, or dead Palestinian children.

The Chinese Context

The Chinese government is responsible for the well-being and security of one-fourth of humanity. Race riots and rebellion cannot be tolerated, not even when done by Buddhist monks.

Chinese Civilization was already old when the Egyptians began building pyramids. But the last 200 years have not gone well, what with two Opium Wars forcing China to import drugs, and Europeans seizing coastal ports as a step to complete colonial control, then the Boxer Rebellion, the collapse of the Manchu Dynasty, civil war, a brutal invasion and occupation by Japan, more civil war, then Communist consolidation and transformation of society, then Mao&#8217;s Cultural Revolution. Such events caused tens of millions of people to die. Thus, China&#8217;s recent history has good reasons why social order is a higher priority than individual rights. Race riots and rebellion cannot be tolerated.

Considering this context, China&#8217;s treatment of its minorities has been exemplary compared to what the Western world has done to its minorities. After thousands of years of Chinese dominance, there still are more than 50 minorities in China. After a few hundred years of European dominance in North and South America, the original minority cultures have been exterminated, damaged, or diminished.

Chinese currency carries five languages: Chinese, Mongolian, Tibetan, Uigur, and Zhuang. In comparison, Canadian currency carries English and French, but no Cree or Inuktitut. If the USA were as considerate of ethnic minorities as is China, then the greenback would be written in English, Spanish, Cherokee and Hawaiian.

In China, ethnic minorities begin their primary schooling in their own language, in a school administered by one of their own community. Chinese language instruction is not introduced until age 10 or later. This is in sharp contrast to a history of coerced linguistic assimilation in most Western nations. The Australian government recently apologized to the Aboriginal minority for taking children from their families, forcing them to speak English, beating them if they spoke their mother tongue. China has no need to make such apology to Tibetans or to other minorities.

China&#8217;s one-child-policy seems oppressive to Westerners, but it has not applied to minorities, only to the Han Chinese. Tibetans can have as many children as they choose. If Han people have more than one child, they are punished.

There is a similar preference given to minorities when it comes to admission to universities. For example, Tibetan students enter China&#8217;s elite Peking University with lower exam scores than Han Chinese students.

China is not a perfect nation, but on matters of minority rights, it has been better than most Western nations. And China achieved this in the historical context of restoring itself and recovering from 200 years of continual crisis and foreign invasion.

Historical Claims

National boundaries are not natural. They all arise from history, and all history is disputable. Arguments and evidence can always be found to challenge a boundary. China has long claimed Tibet as part of its territory, though that has been hard to enforce during the past 200 years. The Dalai Lama does not dispute China&#8217;s claim to Tibet. The recent race riots in Tibet and the anti-Olympics demonstrations will not cause China to shrink itself and abandon part of its territory. Rioters and demonstrators know that.

Foreign governments promoting Tibet separatism and demonstrators demanding Tibet independence should look closer to home. Canadians can campaign for Qu&#233;bec libre. Americans can support separatists in Puerto Rico, Vermont, Texas, California, Hawaii, Guam, and Alaska. Brits can work for a free Wales, and Scotland for the Scots. French can help free Tahitians, New Caledonians, Corsicans, and the Basques. Spaniards can also back the Basques, or the Catalonians. Italians can help Sicilian separatists or the Northern League. Danes can free the Faeroe Islands. Poles can back Cashubians. Japanese can help Okinawan separatists, and Filipinos can help the Moros. Thai can promote Patanni independence; Indonesians can promote Acehnese independence. New Zealanders can leave the islands to the Maori; Australians can vacate Papua. Sri Lankans can help Tamil separatists; Indians can help Sikh separatists.

Nearly every nation has a separatist movement of some kind. There is no need to go to Tibet, to the top of the world, to promote ethnic separatism. China is not promoting separatism in other nations and does not appreciate other nations promoting separatism in China. The people most oppressed, most needing a nation of their own, are the Palestinians. There is a worthy project to promote and to demonstrate about.

Danger of Demonstrations

These demonstrations do not serve Tibetans, but rather use Tibetans for ulterior motives. Many Tibetans, therefore, oppose these demonstrations. Many Chinese remember their history and see the riots in Lhasa and subsequent demonstrations as another attempt by foreign powers to dismember and weaken China. There is grave danger that Chinese might come to fear Tibetans as traitors, resulting in wide spread anti-Tibetan feelings in China.

Fear that an ethnic minority serves foreign forces caused Canada, during World War 1, to imprison its Ukranian minority in concentration camps. For similar reasons, the Ottomans deported their Armenian minority and killed more than a million in death marches. The German Nazis saw the Jewish minority as traitors who caused defeat in World War 1; hence deportations in the 1930s and death camps in the 1940s. During World War 2, both Canada and the USA feared that their Japanese immigrant minorities were traitorous and deported them to concentration camps. Indonesians fearing their Chinese minority, deported 100,000 in 1959 and killed thousands more in 1965. Israel similarly fears its Arab minority, resulting in deportations and oppression.

Hopefully, the Chinese government and the Chinese people will see Tibetans as victims of foreign powers rather than agents of foreign powers. However, if China reacts like other nations have in history and starts systematic severe repression of Tibetans, then today&#8217;s demonstrators should remember their role in causing that to happen.

Conclusion

The demonstrators now disparaging China serve only to distract themselves and others from seeing and correcting the current failings of their own governments. If the demonstrators will take a moment to listen, they will hear the silence of their own hypocrisy.

The consequences of these demonstrations are 1) China will stiffen its resolve to find foreign influences inciting Tibetans to riot, and 2) the governments of the USA, UK, France and other Western nations will have less domestic criticism for a few weeks. That is all. These demonstrations can come to no good end.

The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations

A Personal Reflection
On Hypocrisy Over Tibet

By JOHN V. WHITBECK

I have been watching with growing amazement and concern the assaults on the bizarrely quasi-religious Olympic Torch as it has staggered through London, Paris and San Francisco, as well as the self-righteous pronouncements by certain European "leaders" (and even by the European Parliament, the UN Secretary-General and John McCain) that they will not be attending the opening ceremony of the Olympics or are seriously considering not attending or urging others not to attend unless China bows to their "human rights" demands.

Have they even been invited? Who needs them? Why, aside from the obvious intention to to give offense, should the Chinese care?

I should make clear from the start that I am profoundly sympathetic to Tibet and Tibetans. I have had the privilege of meeting His Holiness the Dalai Lama on two occasions, most recently when we both spoke at the same human rights conference in Sweden, and the white kata which he hung around my neck on the first occasion is proudly displayed in my study. In person, he exudes a quiet, modest charisma and aura of human saintliness that is captivating even to an atheist -- unlike any other person whom I have ever met. I wish that he could return to the Potala Palace and his Norbulingka summer residence and that his people could enjoy the broad cultural and administrative autonomy which he seeks for them.

Furthermore, when I traveled in Tibet in 1981 (at a time when I had already visited all but one of the world's then existing countries), I found it, far and away, the most fascinating place which I had ever visited. It took my breath away in every sense.

Having said that, the current anti-Chinese frenzy in the West, pursued in the guise of pro-Tibetan (and, to a lesser extent, pro-Darfuri) human rights activism, and the Western media's coverage of it reek of hypocrisy.

As best I can tell, the recent violence occurred when some ethnic Tibetans, understandably fed up with the ever-increasing presence and domination of Han Chinese in traditional Tibetan areas, exploded in frustration, burned some Han Chinese shops and killed some Han Chinese civilians. What, in such circumstances, would one expect the Chinese authorities to do? When, by way of example, some African-Americans in Watts and other poor areas of Los Angeles exploded in frustration, burned some white- and Korean-owned stores and attacked some non-blacks, did the American police run away? As I recall, they sought to restore order. So have the Chinese authorities. (As a practical matter, the most brutal images of repressive police action against ethnic Tibetan protestors have not come from China but from other countries, most notably Nepal.)

Can anyone seriously argue that Chinese treatment of Tibetans, who have not been subject to either genocide or ethnic cleansing and of whom the vast majority continue to live on their ancestral lands, compares unfavorably with the treatment accorded to the Native Americans by the European settlers of North America or the treatment accorded (and continuing to be accorded) to the indigenous Palestinians by the Zionist settlers of Palestine? Can anyone seriously argue that it is even in the same league of evil and injustice?

With more than 50 recognized ethnic minorities comprising roughly six percent of China's immense population, Chinese government policy has always aimed at cultural integration of all Chinese citizens rather than at multiculturalism. Inevitably, some peoples are deeply attached to their own distinct cultures and do not wish to be integrated into another one. If Chinese treatment of certain ethnic minorities justly merits criticism, most serious observers would argue that repressive measures against the Uighurs of Xinjiang have been more severe than repressive measures against Tibetans.

However, although there are many more Uighurs than Tibetans, one hears very little about Uighurs in the West. They are Muslims. Uighur nationalist movements are on America's list of "terrorst" groups, and four Uighurs swept up in Afghanistan were incarcerated at Guantanamo for years, even long after being exonerated as potential threats to America, before finally being dumped in Albania, because no other country would provide them asylum.

Furthermore, how reasonable is it to hold China responsible for the human suffering resulting from multiple separatist insurgencies and governmental counterinsurgency measures in the Darfur region of Sudan (because China invests in Sudan's oil industry?) while not holding America and its Western collaborators responsible for the far worse human suffering resulting from America's invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq and America's unconditional financial and diplomatic support for Israel's occupation of Palestine?

If the Chinese feel that the current anti-Chinese frenzy in the West has its roots in jealousy at China's 12&#37; annual economic growth rate and its increasing success in all aspects of world affairs, seasoned with ample doses of racism and hypocrisy, this would not be an irrational appreciation of the situation.

At least with respect to its role in world affairs, China has proven a rather gentle and benign dragon in recent decades, focused on improving the economic conditions and quality of life of its people rather than on military aggression or full-spectrum domination of mankind and the planet, even while its strength and potential power have been growing exponentially. Seeking personal emotional satisfaction or domestic political advantage by gratuitously sticking pins in the Chinese dragon is unlikely to prove a wise course of action.

The world has enough problems already.

A Personal Reflection
On Hypocrisy Over Tibet

 

[mike05]

FYI, the author is not Chinese. Just read the article besides its title then comment, would you. Stop being so sallow.

Ah Peter Hessler, he is one of the few authors who at least get his hands dirty and actually writes properly on his experiences.