Chinese Electric Bus in service at New York

[theniubt]

This thing is fully electric and does 155 miles per charge.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Not bad.

If we can get more vehicles to run on electricity, then instead of using fossil fuels (especially oil/petrol) to run cars/trucks, we can use renewable energy to run them, like the energy we get from the Three Gorges Dam.

So even if the oil supply stops for whatever reason, our trains will still be running (many trains are already running completely on electricity), our cars will still be running, our trucks will still be running, etc. All the other forms of infrastructure, communications, water system, etc. will all still be running.

 

[armchairPrivate]

cool green bus!

 

[Black Eagle 90]

This thing is fully electric and does 155 miles per charge.

This means about 250 Kms. I think we all need this but you must also consider that the technology of charging as well as Batteries have improved a lot.

 

[S10]

Problem with electric vehicle is that you still need a source of energy to generated the electricity required. It would suck to have "clean" electric cars, only to have to use more fossil fuel, coal or natural gas at the generating station. For this reason I think hybrids are actually cleaner than true electric vehicles, since they can charge up their own batteries.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Problem with electric vehicle is that you still need a source of energy to generated the electricity required. It would suck to have "clean" electric cars, only to have to use more fossil fuel, coal or natural gas at the generating station. For this reason I think hybrids are actually cleaner than true electric vehicles, since they can charge up their own batteries.

Yes, but also remember that we are the world's number 1 producer of "renewable energy", even more than the entire European Union combined:

List of countries by electricity production from renewable sources - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have seen other data that shows China has more than enough "potential" renewable energy (hydroelectric/wind/etc) that we can become fully self-sustainable if we are able to harness it.

Of course we won't be able to harness all of it, but our renewable energy expansion plans are very ambitious. Maybe not in the near future, but in the far future we can think about having the majority of our energy coming from renewable sources.

It's a good goal to have, and who knows what technological advances will be discovered in the next few years or the next few decades, that will make this even more feasible.

 

[S10]

Yes, but also remember that we are the world's number 1 producer of "renewable energy", even more than the entire European Union combined:

List of countries by electricity production from renewable sources - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have seen other data that shows China has more than enough "potential" renewable energy (hydroelectric/wind/etc) that we can become fully self-sustainable if we are able to harness it.

Of course we won't be able to harness all of it, but our renewable energy expansion plans are very ambitious. Maybe not in the near future, but in the far future we can think about having the majority of our energy coming from renewable sources.

It's a good goal to have, and who knows what technological advances will be discovered in the next few years or the next few decades, that will make this even more feasible.

You need to remember that renewable energy only accounts for a tiny fraction (less than 5%) of our total electric generation. Vast majority of electricity (>80%) is generated through burning of coal, oil and natural gas. In addition, renewable energy does not have a very high yield, thus they are unlikely to have greater than 20% of market shares in the future even if quadrupled in sizes.

Pure electric vehicles are definitely not "clean" for the most part. Like I said, the focus should be improving fuel-efficiency in existing combustion engines, plus pushing for more hybrids instead of electrics. Also, nuclear option should been explored more thoroughly.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You need to remember that renewable energy only accounts for a tiny fraction (less than 5%) of our total electric generation. Vast majority of electricity (>80%) is generated through burning of coal, oil and natural gas. In addition, renewable energy does not have a very high yield, thus they are unlikely to have greater than 20% of market shares in the future even if quadrupled in sizes.

You're right. That's why the emphasis in my post was not on the "near future" but specifically on the "far future".

Maybe not in the near future, but in the far future

No better time to think about the future than today.

Clearly, based on contemporary technology, it's not efficient enough in terms of cost. Except maybe hydro-power in the long run.

But that is sure to change, as technology continues to improve. And as the fossil fuel situation becomes ever more desperate, somewhere in the near to far future. And if that technology is never found, or never becomes cost-effective, then we'll all have big problems.

 

[S10]

You're right. That's why the emphasis in my post was not on the "near future" but specifically on the "far future".



No better time to think about the future than today.

Clearly, based on contemporary technology, it's not efficient enough in terms of cost. Except maybe hydro-power in the long run. But that is sure to change.

The issue is precisely that we have to look at the near future, and not look beyond that. Next 10 years is crucial to China's economic transition from a developing country to a developed country. Our industrial output has surpassed the Americans, and more and more Chinese are buying various vehicles. The demand for energy is going to be huge. If you have a house that is leaking water in the rain, you can't depend on building a new roof a week later, because you need to plug the holes now.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The issue is precisely that we have to look at the near future, and not look beyond that. Next 10 years is crucial to China's economic transition from a developing country to a developed country. Our industrial output has surpassed the Americans, and more and more Chinese are buying various vehicles. The demand for energy is going to be huge. If you have a house that is leaking water in the rain, you can't depend on building a new roof a week later, because you need to plug the holes now.

True enough. Everything I am talking about is for the very long term.

In the next decade or two we are of course going to have to be very serious about efficiency, which still means things like coal power plants for electricity generation.

And luckily, we happen to have one of the largest coal reserves on the planet. As well as one of the largest reserves of Shale gas and oil.

Renewable energy research needs to take place in parallel for future consideration. And in terms of green-energy research I believe we are also number 1 in that.

How China overtook the US in renewable energy - The Guardian

Competitiveness in the future is going to be all about technology. Instead of just refining and optimizing existing tech, we need to make more jumps in lateral thinking.

 

[Lightningbolt]

Our shale gas is located in tough geographic areas compared to US. A lot of the reserves are under mountains and not on flat lands. The current shale gas extraction technology is made to extract shale gas from flat lands because most of America's shale gas is on flat land so they developed the tech to suit their geography.

We will need to innovate the technology to suit our geography.

 

[sovcomflot]

Our shale gas is located in touch geographic areas compared to US. A lot of the reserves are under mountains and not on flat lands. The current shale gas extraction technology is made to extract shale has from flat lands because most of America's shale gas is on flat land so they developed the tech to suit their geography.

We will need to innovate the technology to suit our geography.

Cost of extracting shalegas in Bakken/marcellus/eagleford USA= 2.88/3.5/1.5 $/mcf

Cost of extracting shalegas in China =8 to 10$/mcf(estimated)

 

[Sun Piwa]

God bless China.

Until now they only make inventions & help economy. They don't make wars or wars by proxy like the JEW USA beast.