Chinese and Indian SSBNs are unnecessary and destabilizing US Think Tank

[Abingdonboy]

These white people are funny- one rule for us and another for everyone else? It is the same nonsense with nuclear proliferation (okay for them, not for everyone else- the brownies that is) or the IMF, WB, WTO and UNSC.

 

[ice bomb]

Yes, up to 10 MIRV warheads per missile, for the upgraded JL-2.

Same for the upcoming JL-3.

Though HGV warheads will be the real prize, they are currently being tested.

You are daydreaming again, kiddo.

Pentagon Sees China Progressing on SLBM | Arms Control Association

In the report, the Defense Department says it expects the JL-2 to have a range of 7,400 kilometers.

Of course wiki and every chinese internet kid knows better than US Defence Department.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

You are daydreaming again, kiddo.

Pentagon Sees China Progressing on SLBM | Arms Control Association

In the report, the Defense Department says it expects the JL-2 to have a range of 7,400 kilometers.

Of course wiki and every chinese internet kid knows better than US Defence Department.

I said for the upgraded version. Learn to read.

JL-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Genesis]

The point of the think tank is that both countries lack sufficiently safety mechanisms to prevent major accidents. Building and getting the tech of missiles and subs is one thing but building the operational command and safety structure is another ball games. Seeing how India can't plan and build a f-ing road or a city, it's a f-ing joke. China can build roads and cities but all that stealing and reverse engineering has left serious holes in their capabilities.

First we do reverse engineer weapons, but if reverse engineer is the culprit for holes in our defence, which btw are getting filled every year, what's the excuse for every other country sans Western Europe, Russia and America.

So in your own thinking if we were to go about reinventing the wheel, we be better off. What kind of logic is that.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You are daydreaming again, kiddo.

Pentagon Sees China Progressing on SLBM | Arms Control Association

In the report, the Defense Department says it expects the JL-2 to have a range of 7,400 kilometers.

Of course wiki and every chinese internet kid knows better than US Defence Department.

It depends the payload.

With the maximum payload, even the Trident II only got 7400 km.

BTW, China's miniaturization technology of the ICBM has been undergone for years. The most apparent example is from DF-31 to DF-31A.

With shorter size but longer range.

 

[axisofevil]

First we do reverse engineer weapons, but if reverse engineer is the culprit for holes in our defence, which btw are getting filled every year, what's the excuse for every other country sans Western Europe, Russia and America.

So in your own thinking if we were to go about reinventing the wheel, we be better off. What kind of logic is that.

But what you leave out is that besides reverse engineering, you also parallel programs to close the gaps. Hence, the difference. Being better off is completely subjective, we are only given scraps to analyze, so its anyone's guess.

 

[C130]

let'em build the damn SSBN
let'em build 100 of them with 24 JL-2/3 with 5 to 10 MIRVS.
not like they got the balls to use them

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

let'em build the damn SSBN
let'em build 100 of them with 24 JL-2/3 with 5 to 10 MIRVS.
not like they got the balls to use them

If we have to use them, we surely will.

Do you know that America has a "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines, yet they did not stop China from seizing the Scarborough shoal in 2012?

Apparently they believe that these weapons are not just for show, or they wouldn't have abandoned their ally.

Same story with Russia and Crimea. America promised to protect Ukraine's borders in 1994, in exchange for them giving up their nukes.

But when push came to shove in 2014, Americans realized that they did not want to fight a nuclear war with Russia over Crimea.

Mutually assured destruction only works when you believe the other side is willing to use their nukes. And apparently America believes it, so MAD still applies.

On the day they stop believing it, we may see some American troops trying to take back Crimea from Russia, and Scarborough shoal from China.

 

[C130]

If we have to use them, we surely will.

Do you know that America has a "mutual defence treaty" with the Philippines, yet they did not stop China from seizing the Scarborough shoal in 2012?

Apparently they believe that these weapons are not just for show, or they wouldn't have abandoned their ally.

Same story with Russia and Crimea. America promised to protect Ukraine's borders in 1994, in exchange for them giving up their nukes.

But when push came to shove in 2014, Americans realized that they did not want to fight a nuclear war with Russia over Crimea.

Mutually assured destruction only works when you believe the other side is willing to use their nukes. And apparently America believes it, so MAD still applies.

On the day they stop believing it, we may see some American troops trying to take back Crimea from Russia, and Scarborough shoal from China.

we don't care about the south china sea seriously.
go on and take as much as you want.
be imperialist
be neocolonialist
if you are willing to risk WW3 so be it.

 

[dray]

Issue is not whether they were noice free since day one. Issue is that Noice subs can not go high sea to fight. They are useless.

The ocean is already completely fitted with listening pods in strategic locations to keep an eye. Plus military Sats are keeping an eye. The tech in the first world is truly superb!

Right, we all have seen how quickly that Malaysian plane was found by tracking its homing signal that it sent for a month.

 

[axisofevil]

Right, we all have seen how quickly that Malaysian plane was found by tracking its homing signal that it sent for a month.

Yeah right......military sats would be paying attention to Civilian planes...

 

[ANPP]

7-8 years ago, I read same kind of artical about inefficiency of chines nuclear submarines. Nothing changes exept Indian name now.

 

[dray]

Yeah right......military sats would be paying attention to Civilian planes...

You mean to say that military sats did pick up or could pick up the signal from the plane's blackbox, but didn't do it because it was not there job?

And what about the search & rescue operations conducted by several countries? Were they using fishing boats and tri-planes?

 

[axisofevil]

You mean to say that military sats did pick up or could pick up the signal from the plane's blackbox, but didn't do it because it was not there job?

And what about the search & rescue operations conducted by several countries? Were they using fishing boats and tri-planes?

Would you expose your assets for the sake of a civilians airliner and risk exposing your cutting edge tech toa world of copycat theifs? No.

 

[dray]

Would you expose your assets for the sake of a civilians airliner and risk exposing your cutting edge tech toa world of copycat theifs? No.

There are ways to hide your assets, just find the plane with your super-duper military satellites, and then send a standard search & rescue ship around that place, two days later claim that your ship has found it!!

Submarines, no matter how primitive or how noisy they are, still they are very difficult to detect, some countries spread fictions as part of their military propaganda.