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Watching China’s economic planning process, Indians may be tempted to ditch democracy. Here’s why they shouldn’t.

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By Ankit Panda
November 22, 2013

“Dictator envy” isn’t a pretty phrase, but it’s one that is helpful in describing what more than a few Indians might feel when they look to Beijing’s way of doing things. Of course, this isn’t something unique to Indians. Even Alexis de Tocqueville, in his early days, held a somewhat skeptical view of democracy as a chaotic and childish attempt to run “the circus from the monkey cage” (as H. L. Mencken would later put it). Tocqueville, who later authored the seminal “Democracy in America,” came around to the social, psychological and political benefits of democracies. Contemporary Americans, jaded by dysfunctional congressional politics, sequesters and shut-downs, may also see the merits of a technocratic oligarchy (just don’t call it a Politburo Standing Committee).

In the Indian case, it’s worth revisiting this theme in light of Beijing’s much-heralded Third Plenum (which I covered for The Diplomat in an earlier piece). I recently ran across a column by former Indian foreign secretary Shyam Saran in the Business Standard reflecting on the Third Plenum. He writes that there should be “no doubt” that the Third Plenum will reinvigorate Indian “dictator envy.” Saran, however, urges Indians not to fall prey to this logic. He proffers a methodical repudiation:

“India is not China, and our own experience has demonstrated that any recourse to authoritarianism can only achieve temporary results. Nor has the practice of liberal democracy in our country proved to be incompatible with high rates of GDP growth. … China’s example should not become the defining template for India’s development in the 21st century.”

India isn’t alien to authoritarianism – Indira Gandhi’s imposition of a state of emergency from 1975 to 1977 is now seen as one of the darkest points in India’s political evolution. This is the episode that Saran references at the outset of the above passage. He is also correct to point out that Indian democracy isn’t necessarily immune to the sort of growth that China experienced – India saw annual growth rates of up to 11 percent in its very recent memory.

Saran has a prescription for what India really needs to put an end to any “dictator envy” it might be experiencing in the wake of the Third Plenum, or indeed, in general comparisons to China: “What has been evident in the past few years is a failure of imagination on the part of India’s elite and the lack of articulation of an overarching national narrative that is able to cut across India’s rich diversity and political and social plurality in order to sustain a journey towards a common destination.” In essence, Indian democracy needs an FDR or a Clement Attlee – a democratic leader capable of not only restoring a modicum of faith in the national institution, but ultimately delivering growth.

Considering contemporary Indian politics, and the upcoming elections, discussions of “dictator envy” in India begin to look less abstract and more salient. It’s no secret that amid falling growth rates, several revelations about endemic corruption, and generally poor governance, India’s current United Progressive Alliance (UPA) coalition has seen significant losses in popularity. This has of course hugely benefited the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) candidate, Narendra Modi, who is perceived widely a heavy-handed, pragmatic, strongman.

The upcoming elections in India in 2014 will serve as a referendum on the Congress-led UPA coalition. Narendra Modi’s burgeoning popularity in India has everything to do with simply how different he appears from the current prime minister and his entourage. There is a perception that Modi could be precisely the sort of heavy-handed visionary India needs to whip its institutions into shape – by any means necessary. Modi, of course, is a complex political package, not alien to controversy. Considering Modi’s political ascent in light of India’s somewhat chronic “dictator envy” does seem to send a chilling message about the damage done to liberal democracy in India over years of institutional erosion.

Another columnist, Pratap Bhanu Mehta of the Centre for Policy Research, wrote in The Indian Express this week that should Modi win, he should understand that “winning an election is not the same thing as having a wider moral legitimacy that allows you to govern well.”

The stories of India and China’s rises in Asia have almost served as a controlled experiment of sorts – what sort of political organization works well for rapid modernization and development? The numbers favor China on almost every count, even controlling for India’s slightly more impoverished start-state in 1947. Despite its constant second-place standing to China, India and its leaders should reaffirm their belief in the great Indian democratic experiment and work on reforming institutions and politics. A Modi election might provide some short-term reprieve to a damaged national political narrative, but longer-term, India could show that even democracy, with all its chaos and confusion, can bring about prosperity.

The Third Plenum may be a jarring reminder of the perks of authoritarian, top-down economic planning, but you’ll see few experts prognosticating the end of Indian democracy compared to the end of the Chinese Communist Party. Authoritarian legitimacy derived entirely from economic performance is a precarious political arrangement in the long run – just ask the Soviet Union. Indeed, in case of “dictator envy,” think “June 4, 1989,” not “Third Plenum.”

China’s Third Plenum and India’s ‘Dictator Envy’ | The Diplomat
 
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There is nothing wrong with the concept of Democracy. Using democracy as an excuse for failure doesn't work, when there are so many examples of successful and efficient democracies around.

Look at modern-day Germany for instance. They are both Democratic and Efficient at the same time.

Democracy once failed in Germany, when Adolf Hitler was elected. Yet they are doing extremely well today, and they are still a democracy.

At the end of the day, labels don't matter. It is the implementation and the results that count.
 
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Authoritarian legitimacy derived entirely from economic performance is a precarious political arrangement in the long run – just ask the Soviet Union. Indeed, in case of “dictator envy,” think “June 4, 1989,” not “Third Plenum.”
India envy and contemplating learning from China? With above attitude?

The Buddhist Blog: Zen Story: A Cup of Tea
Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.

The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"

"Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"
Anyway, I don't believe India could emulate China politically, the two society having too much difference in culture and history.
And in term of learning economic policy, I think India is already doing it.
 
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There is nothing wrong with the concept of Democracy. Using democracy as an excuse for failure doesn't work, when there are so many examples of successful and efficient democracies around.

Look at modern-day Germany for instance. They are both Democratic and Efficient at the same time.

Democracy once failed in Germany, when Adolf Hitler was elected. Yet they are doing extremely well today, and they are still a democracy.

At the end of the day, labels don't matter. It is the implementation and the results that count.

And democracy can fail a nation as well. Indian is an example of a failed democracy. When most people would sell their vote for the dinner at election night, you know that the country is not ready for democracy. The people need to eat first before worry about politics.
 
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And democracy can fail a nation as well. Indian is an example of a failed democracy. When most people would sell their vote for the dinner at election night, you know that the country is not ready for democracy. The people need to eat first before worry about politics.

democracy actually has some pretty hefty requirements. only only should voters not be selling their votes, they also need to be educated, another check box india needs to get to. this is precisiely the reason why democracy generally doesnt work well for poor uneducated countries, looks at japan, korea, taiwan etc. each during its period of development has dictatorial, autocratic and/or single party rule, even for britain and america, the vote were at first confined to rich and hence educated men(along with less relavent requirements, like being white)
 
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democracy actually has some pretty hefty requirements. only only should voters not be selling their votes, they also need to be educated, another check box india needs to get to. this is precisiely the reason why democracy generally doesnt work well for poor uneducated countries, looks at japan, korea, taiwan etc. each during its period of development has dictatorial, autocratic and/or single party rule, even for britain and america, the vote were at first confined to rich and hence educated men(along with less relavent requirements, like being white)

But the Indians like to brag that its democracy is something superior. Even though that its failed democracy is keeping the people perpetually poor. Just one wrong incident and India will be a failed state.
 
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But the Indians like to brag that its democracy is something superior. Even though that its failed democracy is keeping the people perpetually poor. Just one wrong incident and India will be a failed state.

well india has potential but, in my opinion it does several things wrong and these things are interlinked. for instance, it tries to skip manufacturing and jump directly to services, but without manufacturing, large numbers of poorly educated people remain uneducated and poor, leading to generational poverty without a way to ascent the social ladder. having service jobs is good and all but it only benefits those that can afford the education in the first place which also means the rich get richer but the poor remain poor. and because the poor remain poor and uneducated, they sell votes for money and are not well informed enough in the first place to vote on important issues, which leads to more issue such as those people not being aware of their rights and thus even as India trouts itself as democratic and free, its poor citizens are abused
 
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There is nothing wrong with the concept of Democracy. Using democracy as an excuse for failure doesn't work, when there are so many examples of successful and efficient democracies around.

Look at modern-day Germany for instance. They are both Democratic and Efficient at the same time.

Democracy once failed in Germany, when Adolf Hitler was elected. Yet they are doing extremely well today, and they are still a democracy.

At the end of the day, labels don't matter. It is the implementation and the results that count.
well india has potential but, in my opinion it does several things wrong and these things are interlinked. for instance, it tries to skip manufacturing and jump directly to services, but without manufacturing, large numbers of poorly educated people remain uneducated and poor, leading to generational poverty without a way to ascent the social ladder. having service jobs is good and all but it only benefits those that can afford the education in the first place which also means the rich get richer but the poor remain poor. and because the poor remain poor and uneducated, they sell votes for money and are not well informed enough in the first place to vote on important issues, which leads to more issue such as those people not being aware of their rights and thus even as India trouts itself as democratic and free, its poor citizens are abused
Couldnt have put it better myself.

Its not democracy thats an issue, its the functioning of democracy that is to blame in India. Trotting democracy as an excuse is plain pathetic.

On the other hand, the people in India are so divisive that they abuse democracy.

Fortunately the things are improving with increasing literacy and education levels across the board decade on decade.
 
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well india has potential but, in my opinion it does several things wrong and these things are interlinked. for instance, it tries to skip manufacturing and jump directly to services, but without manufacturing, large numbers of poorly educated people remain uneducated and poor, leading to generational poverty without a way to ascent the social ladder. having service jobs is good and all but it only benefits those that can afford the education in the first place which also means the rich get richer but the poor remain poor. and because the poor remain poor and uneducated, they sell votes for money and are not well informed enough in the first place to vote on important issues, which leads to more issue such as those people not being aware of their rights and thus even as India trouts itself as democratic and free, its poor citizens are abused

India's problems are definitely multi facet. First of all, India like to brag about how its a service economy even though its more of a call center economy. Or maybe its a remittance economy. 2ndly, it ignores manufacturing and also the environment as well. Its environment, especially the air, is almost as bad as China's even though it has minimal manufacturing.

As for its people, India need to get them enough food to eat first. Once that happens, than the people would care about the politics. No one would care about politics if they have to worry about where the next meal is coming from.

Couldnt have put it better myself.

Its not democracy thats an issue, its the functioning of democracy that is to blame in India. Trotting democracy as an excuse is plain pathetic.

On the other hand, the people in India are so divisive that they abuse democracy.

Fortunately the things are improving with increasing literacy and education levels across the board decade on decade.

You should expect to be slammed by your countryman. Who view its democracy as a point of superiority over China.
 
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Couldnt have put it better myself.

Its not democracy thats an issue, its the functioning of democracy that is to blame in India. Trotting democracy as an excuse is plain pathetic.

On the other hand, the people in India are so divisive that they abuse democracy.

Fortunately the things are improving with increasing literacy and education levels across the board decade on decade.

indeed, they are improving basic education which is an absolutely must, and while india is behind china in development, this also means it has a chance coming up. china is moving away from the light manufacturing. with a billion people, if the Indian leaders got their acts together and improve the infrastructure a bit, all that light manufacturing would rush into india in no time.
 
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Simply, the author of the OP needs to get his head checked :cheesy:
 
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You should expect to be slammed by your countryman. Who view its democracy as a point of superiority over China.
Democracy as a principle, is a point of superiority over China. Dont make a mistake on that.

That does not however mean that the way India's democracy functions is efficient. There are other democracies who work much faster and better than us. That should be emulated. This however will only improve with more and more education and/or better leaders.

The difference here is - do the ends justify the means.

indeed, they are improving basic education which is an absolutely must, and while india is behind china in development, this also means it has a chance coming up. china is moving away from the light manufacturing. with a billion people, if the Indian leaders got their acts together and improve the infrastructure a bit, all that light manufacturing would rush into india in no time.
India is spending a lot on infrastructure. Our infrastructure today is 10 times better than it was in the 90's.
However there are other flaws as well - the bureaucracy is a major hurdle along with populism of politicians. That will only end when people are able to call the lies of the politicians when they say it. That will only happen when the population becomes educated.
 
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I agree with the author 100 %. Those who are blaming democracy for their ills are constantly comparing with china and pointing 'see you cant do xyz'. Without china, India would have been considered a great success to be emulated by third world.
India did lift millions out of poverty in last two decades, but that somehow got hidden because of this comparison. Now some say India has lot of poverty because Indians are too poor or illeterate to have democracy.
Why is that so, when you can see millions out of poverty? The fact that millions still poor points out to the starting point of the journey (which really started in 90s) and not the process of democracy.

Another thing, democracy is not a luxury for poor India, its a necessity for our political union. If our economic performace pales comparison to other political arrangement in some other country, I think we should be happy to accept it as trade off, as long as we are not going backward.

Those who are comparing with mature and rich democratic countries are missing the point, should a poor country wait till it gets rich to get democracy. And can India afford to wait?
I dont think so.
 
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Democracy as a principle, is a point of superiority over China. Dont make a mistake on that.

That does not however mean that the way India's democracy functions is efficient. There are other democracies who work much faster and better than us. That should be emulated. This however will only improve with more and more education and/or better leaders.

The difference here is - do the ends justify the means.

What is the basic principle of democracy? One man one vote. Yes, people in the first world get to vote, and so do those from almost all 3rd world countries today. How is that superiority over China? (One-party system is not a dictatorship)

Democracy is democracy, there is no such term as India's democracy or US's. Democracy is just a governance model, it doesn't provide answers to social and economic problems. They are quite mutually exclusive.
 
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What is the basic principle of democracy? One man one vote. Yes, people in the first world get to vote, and so do those from almost all 3rd world countries today. How is that superiority over China? (One-party system is not a dictatorship)

Democracy is democracy, there is no such term as India's democracy or US's. Democracy is just a governance model, it doesn't provide answers to social and economic problems. They are quite mutually exclusive.
I really dont need to get into this.
If you are interested in the point of democracy and the benefits of a properly functioning democracy a quick google search will yield half a dozen research papers.
 
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