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China's secret internment camps

Do you want me to give you links from al jazeera or any other muslim based media? Its pathetic for a few $$ we dont want to speak up.



Name me a country not western and I can give you extensive research and reports from them. Any eastern country media you have in mind ?

Well all Chinese posters here support CCP as if they paying them to it. I know you live inside China so it is kind of hard to go against the government there.



Aljazeera is a pro-indian/american Zionist news outlet. They are just as anti-Pakistani as they are anti-Chinese. But yes, please post some links to some GENUINE/CREDIBLE evidence.

Here is another report from Pakistan . Incase you think its western. Dozens upon dozens of eastern country news outlets have written on this. Do you want independent reports from malaysia , indonesia , Middle east or any other eastern country?

The plight of the Uighurs
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A demonstrator joins supporters of China's Muslim Uighur minority and during a anti-China protest. PHOTO: GETTY

Whether you’re a Pakistani citizen living in Pakistan or in the diaspora, you must be familiar with the ongoing tussle between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. Just a few weeks ago, India decided to revoke Article 370, taking away the special status of the disputed land and of the people living in Indian occupied Kashmir (IoK). After India’s actions in IoK, the Pakistan government and people decided to reach out to the international community for support, using various United Nations platforms to voice their concerns and holding local protests in order to bring attention to this issue. While, as a Pakistani, I empathise with victims of violence in IoK, I also empathise with those Muslim communities that are targets of violence in other countries.

Recently, the rampant discrimination against the Uighurs and other Muslims in China has started to garner the attention of the world media. Horrific accounts of prejudice, religious bigotry and an ongoing ethnic cleansing in the country has led to international outcry. Uighur women are facing systematic rape in the prison cells, being sterilised against will, being forced to rub chillis on their genitals, and have been made to have abortions without anesthesia. Moreover, human rights advocates from China have shared accounts of women being implanted with intrauterine devices against their will.

China has also created concentration camps called ‘re-education camps.’ These camps, which resemble the residential schools in Canada during its colonisation period of the local Aboriginal community, aim to curtail the reproduction of Uighur Muslims in the hope that the community will essentially be wiped out. Furthermore, the graveyards of Uighur Mulsims have also been destroyed in an attempt to eradicate any trace of this community. Additionally, Uighur scholars and activists have also fallen prey to what is being described as a “mass internment campaign.”

How is this persecution of the Uighur Muslims any less important and any less deserving of our attention than that of the Kashmiri Muslims? Why isn’t our prime minister concerned for these innocent lives as much as he is for the ones in Kashmir? Unlike the apathy and lack of initiative that the United Nations has shown towards Kashmir thus far, there has been significant information and evidence on the Uighur issue, which has been shared on a global level. In fact, in 2018, UN stated that they had credible evidence that around a million Uighurs and other Muslims have been locked away in detention centres.

The point that I’m trying to make here is that there needs to be more uniformity and transparency in our national policies. We cannot be selective about which oppressed group we choose to raise our voice for. The current stance of the government makes the state appear hypocritical since it only seems to concerned about one group of Muslims while turning a blind eye towards another community of Muslims.

Pakistan has immense stakes in Kashmir, both politically and economically, which is why the government is more likely to fight for the rights of the Kashmiri Muslims. Since China is a dear ally and economic crutch for Pakistan, the government and politicians are unwilling to hold China accountable for the systematic violence happening there. Economic interest has trumped moral righteousness.

As a citizen who cares immensely for her nation and for the people of this nation, my plea to everyone residing in Pakistan would be to really start questioning our state polices and our selective outrage. We need to be brave enough to raise concerns with the those in power wherever we see any loopholes and demand a better and sustainable life for ourselves and others, and this includes Muslims and minority groups, locally and abroad.



Please post the link to the above source.
 
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Is that xinjiang or not in the video?or is that switzerland? Are those police officers in xinjiang or in norway? The person following them everywhere was that from CCP or sweden?

The burden is on you because nobody from North pole to South pole believes you. Why cant you open up xinniang to journalists? Let them go and see. What are you hiding?

The burdens on you to prove it, not the other way. It doesn't matter there are police following or not, if you can't prove it with evidence, then you have no case. If you go to sensitive areas like prisons, then china has every reason to deny you or follow you. You make the accusation, you prove it. It's not up to china to prove it every time you and west make up lies, you make accusation, you prove it. Show me the mass grave, show me the gas chamber, yes something, not someone following you or seeing police officers.

Is that xinjiang or not in the video?or is that switzerland? Are those police officers in xinjiang or in norway? The person following them everywhere was that from CCP or sweden?

The burden is on you because nobody from North pole to South pole believes you. Why cant you open up xinniang to journalists? Let them go and see. What are you hiding?

you want to travel to Xinjiang? here's in-depth tourist guide for westerners from Lonely Planet, the process, what cars to rent, how to get there, by plane or train, what restaurants to eat, which Mosque to visit, which hotel to stay in, the whole nine yard. If you want go visit prisons, then expect to be followed. If you visit any prisons in china, not just Xijiang, expect to be followed. It doesn't matter what we argue here, you can't change my mind, I can't change yours, why don't you go visit yourself, link below, westerners wrote this in-depth tourist guide, plenty of westerners have been there since china opened in 1980s, many are still there as we speak.

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/china/xinjiang
 
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Why only 21 millions?

They are not deactivated by government but there is no call from those mobiles. Don't make stories you 50 cent soldier.
You 2 rupee script monkey won't understand the difference between propaganda and reality. :laugh:

And why don't you tell us more about the 21 million instead of peddling your scripted nonsense?

We as Pakistanis are asking questions here on a Pakistani forum about muslims that have been under a brutal regime . What do you find so strange here?
You're based in the US and you're concern for your fellow countrymen and fellow Muslims is admirable. I'm sure that a lot of people on here would agree with you but.. oh wait, they're just not the US-based "Pakistanis", are they? For all you could be, you could easily be masquerading as a "Pakistani" when in all honesty, your motives are of deception in nature because you have an agenda to fulfil. Yeah, you're a concerned "Pakistani" alright.
 
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You 2 rupee script monkey won't understand the difference between propaganda and reality. :laugh:

And why don't you tell us more about the 21 million instead of peddling your scripted nonsense?

If anybody I want to know the difference between a genuine news and propaganda , they can see various posting buy 50 Cent Army. They can easily understand what is propaganda. we are understanding it from the post of you fifty s
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Is that xinjiang or not in the video?or is that switzerland? Are those police officers in xinjiang or in norway? The person following them everywhere was that from CCP or sweden?

The burden is on you because nobody from North pole to South pole believes you. Why cant you open up xinniang to journalists? Let them go and see. What are you hiding?




WHERE is the evidence that proves that "everyone from the North and South doesn't believe them?"...........:azn:
 
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How much is the CCP paying you to defend them this passionately
They can all same question to you, how much is the United States or Indian govt paying you to spread this propaganda...just saying.

I can give you links from hundreds of other sources. Here is a link from al jazeera which is owned by muslims not west

https://www.aljazeera.com/programme...ent-plight-china-uighurs-191019133210421.html
Tell the World: The Silent Plight of China's Uighurs
How mass detention camps and heavy surveillance in Xinjiang are affecting Uighurs not just in China but also abroad.

25 Oct 2019 15:13 GMT Uighur, China, Human Rights, Australia, Asia Pacific

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Editor's Note: This film is no longer available to view online.

Filmmaker: Sophie McNeill

Most members of the Australian Uighur community are missing someone.

They all say they have a family member detained, imprisoned or trapped in what the Chinese call the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region in northwest China.

Many have remained silent, out of fear for those still there. But now, in a state of desperation, they are starting to come forward and make their stories known.

"My older brother, younger brothers and two younger sisters, five siblings were all taken by the Chinese government," says Nurmuhammad Majid. "Masked police, heavily armed Special Force police, raided their home and taken them by covering their face and shackling them in front of the kids."

Some Australian Uighurs like Hayrullah Mai - who was detained for three weeks in 2017 - have been held while visiting relatives in Xinjiang. Others, like Sadam Abdusalamu and Almas Nazamidin, have been separated from their wives and children, unable to return to their families or to bring them to safety in Australia.

The most sort of shocking or problematic aspect of this whole scheme in Xinjiang is that it's planned in such detail and enforced with such urgency

Adrian Zenz, researcher

Xinjiang is an area inhabited by a large Uighur population - as well as other ethnic minorities - and in recent years they have been systematically rounded up, their passports confiscated and forced to provide biometric data for racial and religious profiling. It is estimated that as many as one million Uighur Chinese citizens are directly affected.

In August 2018, a United Nations committee said it had received reports suggesting that new Chinese government policies were transforming the region into "a massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy".

The Chinese government refers to the camps as "Re-education Centres" and has released glossy videos claiming the Uighurs are happy there.

But footage filmed by human rights activists at one of the camps shows cells fitted with double iron doors, keypad locks, cameras; and so-called classrooms where railings and wire separate the students from their teacher.

Researchers have now identified nearly 100 suspected facilities like these across Xinjiang.

"It's basically clear that a huge percentage of the middle-age range, especially Uighurs aged between 18 and 45 years, a very large percentage of them are in some form of internment or prison," says Adrian Zenz who has researched aspects of China's operation against its ethnic minorities.

There are also concerns for the children of the detained Uighurs, who often seem to be removed from their communities and placed in orphanages or boarding schools where they are enrolled in programmes promoting Chinese assimilation.

"They want to eliminate the basic institutions, the basic elements of Uighur culture, Uighur society," says anthropologist Darren Byler. "They're trying to transform the entire society."

At the same time, artificial intelligence is being used and developed to profile Uighurs, and evidence from satellite maps shows that mosques, other key sites of Uighur culture and even residential areas have been demolished.

"The most sort of shocking or problematic aspect of this whole scheme in Xinjiang is that it's planned in such detail and enforced with such urgency," Zenz says.

Through personal testimonies, research into satellite imagery, and information found in Chinese government documents online, this film examines the government's policy of cultural and religious repression of Uighurs and other ethnic minorities in Xinjiang - and shines a light on what some analysts believe may be the largest imprisonment of a group of people on the basis of ethnicity since the second world war.



This is about thousands of missing muslims in China not US.



How many eastern world authentic sources do you want me to give you.? Give me a number and i will show it to you. Hundreds of media outlets that are not western have reported on this. You cannot hide this , this isnt 1950 where you can go u detected doing this shit
Al Jazeera also claims about pakistan massacres of Baloch and pushtuns...do you also believe in that?

We as Pakistanis are asking questions here on a Pakistani forum about muslims that have been under a brutal regime . What do you find so strange here?

Speak for yourself not Pakistanis . Pakistanis like me doesn't fall for your Bharti propaganda. You can keep recieving INR and do your propaganda but don't put us all in your category.

Should i also remind you that despite of Pakistan fighting for Arab nations how they ditched and back stabbed pakistan...should I also remind you pakistan fighting super P power for afghans and how they ditched pakistan, do I also have to remind you pakistan fighting for Palestine but how they ditched us...so keep that angle also for yourself. Pakistan has nothing to do with this propaganda.
 
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They can all same question to you, how much is the United States or Indian govt paying you to spread this propaganda...just saying.

Yes Google 50 cent army andyou will find the Lords of material in the internet . Our government need not pay our citizen the money to do propaganda. we are always on the path of truth and we need not propagated our point. Nott only Indians but many who knows India very closely also does that. This includes Pakistani as well who are either in Pakistan or for their living abroad. definitely they are not paid agents of Indian government. we don't have a dictator in the power who need to do constant propaganda to prove himself.. We select him based on the the work he does enhance no propagandize constantly required to feed for people that whatever government does is right.
 
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Yes Google 50 cent army andyou will find the Lords of material in the internet . Our government need not pay our citizen the money to do propaganda. we are always on the path of truth and we need not propagated our point. Nott only Indians but many who knows India very closely also does that. This includes Pakistani as well who are either in Pakistan or for their living abroad. definitely they are not paid agents of Indian government. we don't have a dictator in the power who need to do constant propaganda to prove himself.. We select him based on the the work he does enhance no propagandize constantly required to feed for people that whatever government does is right.
Rittte ritte, you are beacon of truth.

https://www.businessinsider.in/indi...-in-the-world-survey/articleshow/67868418.cms

https://thenextweb.com/security/201...ites-caught-pushing-anti-pakistan-propaganda/
 
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You must know how many fake Twitter account sponsored by ISI which were closed by Twitter .certainly you cannot do anything just with 265 sites. you need lacs of them to do the mal propaganda. if the big Nation like India manages only 265 sites, it is nothing . ISI head balance to open thousands of fake accounts for it small propaganda which was recently banned by Twitter.
 
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You must know how many fake Twitter account sponsored by ISI which were closed by Twitter .certainly you cannot do anything just with 265 sites. you need lacs of them to do the mal propaganda. if the big Nation like India manages only 265 sites, it is nothing . ISI head balance to open thousands of fake accounts for it small propaganda which was recently banned by Twitter.
There was none. That too is your fake news and propaganda. No investigative journalist reported what youre propaganda media and govt blabber.

Twitter in Pakistan is controlled by Twitter in India hence it(Twitter India) is another fake propagandist site toeing Bharti propaganda lines and removing everything that is exposing bhart. All you have there is David Kumar and John Patel "professionals".
 
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how about people with multiple business phone account don't need as much now because their businesses were shut down? Every business owner I know has multiple phones and phone numbers, one for personal, a couple for business, it's not that surprising, they don't need as many phones when they can't even operate their business.




free press? How about there's real threat that American infiltration to buy influence in the media, in fact, a lot of smaller countries have their media essentially controlled by American influence and spread misinformation and manipulate their politics. Funny how you show video after video from western source, like I said, you are brainwashed. To date, there still isn't hard evidence of genocide, but "interviews" after "interviews" and speculations after speculations, show us the real proof that china is killing and genociding Muslims, you make claim, you prove it, the burden is on you, not on china. So stop claiming it's china propaganda, you make the claim, so you are the one spreading propaganda.



exccept you are not asking questions, you are making direct accusation without any proof except western sources that has agenda, who's spreading propaganda now?



sure the doctor was warned, but that doesn't mean China knew the virus at the time and hid it. It means China didn't know the new virus existed, and didn't believe that doctor said a new virus was causing epidemics. It's unfortunate, but that's completely different than "hid" the truth. I'm not a fan of Mao, but he didn't kill 20-30M people, you are mistaking bad communist economic policy with "killing", he made a bad mistake and millions of people suffered as result, but that's completely different than intentional trying to kill.

Nope. The Chinese scientist know there was a new strain and were silently working to isolate the strain as early as December 2nd week. They chose not to share the info. Jinping was in the loop. WHO wasn't informed that time. It was only after the cases spread far and wide it informed WHO on a new strain by Jan 1st. The timelines has been shared repeatedly by members of pdf and various articles. Even then Wuhan lunar dinner with around 40k.people went forward so as not to get bad names during coming CCP summit or something. Local politics. China started blockade on Jan 23rd only. It even critized US for blocking mainland fights. And then rest is history. While China has done well, it's lack of transparency has left 80000 deaths around the world in its wake. If China had shares the available info as early as December we won't have seen such pandemic.
 
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WHERE is the evidence that proves that "everyone from the North and South doesn't believe them?"...........:azn:

I just gave all non western links from Malaysia to Indonesia to UAE in a link before. Its not that hard to find. For a few $$ Lets not be spineless. Look at this behaviour is that acceptable?


On top of that they are involved in human trafficking of our women.

The burdens on you to prove it, not the other way. It doesn't matter there are police following or not, if you can't prove it with evidence, then you have no case. If you go to sensitive areas like prisons, then china has every reason to deny you or follow you. You make the accusation, you prove it. It's not up to china to prove it every time you and west make up lies, you make accusation, you prove it. Show me the mass grave, show me the gas chamber, yes something, not someone following you or seeing police officers.



you want to travel to Xinjiang? here's in-depth tourist guide for westerners from Lonely Planet, the process, what cars to rent, how to get there, by plane or train, what restaurants to eat, which Mosque to visit, which hotel to stay in, the whole nine yard. If you want go visit prisons, then expect to be followed. If you visit any prisons in china, not just Xijiang, expect to be followed. It doesn't matter what we argue here, you can't change my mind, I can't change yours, why don't you go visit yourself, link below, westerners wrote this in-depth tourist guide, plenty of westerners have been there since china opened in 1980s, many are still there as we speak.

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/china/xinjiang

What is evidence to you? Video?reports? Human right organizations?Pictures? Like I said its like teaching physics to a cow. What are you hiding? Why dont you open xonjiang to journalists?not prisons but xinjiang as a whole why are you not allowing them to travel there? Let them ask questions or interview normal people.

They can all same question to you, how much is the United States or Indian govt paying you to spread this propaganda...just saying.


Al Jazeera also claims about pakistan massacres of Baloch and pushtuns...do you also believe in that?



Speak for yourself not Pakistanis . Pakistanis like me doesn't fall for your Bharti propaganda. You can keep recieving INR and do your propaganda but don't put us all in your category.

Should i also remind you that despite of Pakistan fighting for Arab nations how they ditched and back stabbed pakistan...should I also remind you pakistan fighting super P power for afghans and how they ditched pakistan, do I also have to remind you pakistan fighting for Palestine but how they ditched us...so keep that angle also for yourself. Pakistan has nothing to do with this propaganda.

Bharti?LOL. So you want to keep on being blind about this whole thing? They even trafficking our women to China. Pakistanis like you are a problem and that is why our country is available for rent to anyone. China giving a few millions so the posters here are blind and cant even stand up for their own people. CPEC doesnt mean they are going to come here and do whatever they want. Just see the reports of them treating our police , trafficking our women and what not. Whats so hard for you to believe?

AP Exclusive: 629 Pakistani girls sold as brides to China
By KATHY GANNONDecember 7, 2019



LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — Page after page, the names stack up: 629 girls and women from across Pakistan who were sold as brides to Chinese men and taken to China. The list, obtained by The Associated Press, was compiled by Pakistani investigators determined to break up trafficking networks exploiting the country’s poor and vulnerable.

The list gives the most concrete figure yet for the number of women caught up in the trafficking schemes since 2018.

But since the time it was put together in June, investigators’ aggressive drive against the networks has largely ground to a halt. Officials with knowledge of the investigations say that is because of pressure from government officials fearful of hurting Pakistan’s lucrative ties to Beijing.



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The biggest case against traffickers has fallen apart. In October, a court in Faisalabad acquitted 31 Chinese nationals charged in connection with trafficking. Several of the women who had initially been interviewed by police refused to testify because they were either threatened or bribed into silence, according to a court official and a police investigator familiar with the case. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared retribution for speaking out.

At the same time, the government has sought to curtail investigations, putting “immense pressure” on officials from the Federal Investigation Agency pursuing trafficking networks, said Saleem Iqbal, a Christian activist who has helped parents rescue several young girls from China and prevented others from being sent there.

“Some (FIA officials) were even transferred,” Iqbal said in an interview. “When we talk to Pakistani rulers, they don’t pay any attention. “

Asked about the complaints, Pakistan’s interior and foreign ministries refused to comment.

Several senior officials familiar with the events said investigations into trafficking have slowed, the investigators are frustrated, and Pakistani media have been pushed to curb their reporting on trafficking. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals.

“No one is doing anything to help these girls,” one of the officials said. “The whole racket is continuing, and it is growing. Why? Because they know they can get away with it. The authorities won’t follow through, everyone is being pressured to not investigate. Trafficking is increasing now.”

He said he was speaking out “because I have to live with myself. Where is our humanity?”



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China’s Foreign Ministry said it was unaware of the list.

“The two governments of China and Pakistan support the formation of happy families between their people on a voluntary basis in keeping with laws and regulations, while at the same time having zero tolerance for and resolutely fighting against any person engaging in illegal cross-border marriage behavior,” the ministry said in a statement faxed Monday to AP’s Beijing bureau.

An AP investigation earlier this year revealed how Pakistan’s Christian minority has become a new target of brokers who pay impoverished parents to marry off their daughters, some of them teenagers, to Chinese husbands who return with them to their homeland. Many of the brides are then isolated and abused or forced into prostitution in China, often contacting home and pleading to be brought back. The AP spoke to police and court officials and more than a dozen brides — some of whom made it back to Pakistan, others who remained trapped in China — as well as remorseful parents, neighbors, relatives and human rights workers.

Christians are targeted because they are one of the poorest communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan. The trafficking rings are made up of Chinese and Pakistani middlemen and include Christian ministers, mostly from small evangelical churches, who get bribes to urge their flock to sell their daughters. Investigators have also turned up at least one Muslim cleric running a marriage bureau from his madrassa, or religious school.

Investigators put together the list of 629 women from Pakistan’s integrated border management system, which digitally records travel documents at the country’s airports. The information includes the brides’ national identity numbers, their Chinese husbands’ names and the dates of their marriages.

All but a handful of the marriages took place in 2018 and up to April 2019. One of the senior officials said it was believed all 629 were sold to grooms by their families.

It is not known how many more women and girls were trafficked since the list was put together. But the official said, “the lucrative trade continues.” He spoke to the AP in an interview conducted hundreds of kilometers from his place of work to protect his identity. “The Chinese and Pakistani brokers make between 4 million and 10 million rupees ($25,000 and $65,000) from the groom, but only about 200,000 rupees ($1,500), is given to the family,” he said.

The official, with years of experience studying human trafficking in Pakistan, said many of the women who spoke to investigators told of forced fertility treatments, physical and sexual abuse and, in some cases, forced prostitution. Although no evidence has emerged, at least one investigation report contains allegations of organs being harvested from some of the women sent to China.

In September, Pakistan’s investigation agency sent a report it labeled “fake Chinese marriages cases” to Prime Minister Imran Khan. The report, a copy of which was attained by the AP, provided details of cases registered against 52 Chinese nationals and 20 of their Pakistani associates in two cities in eastern Punjab province — Faisalabad, Lahore — as well as in the capital Islamabad. The Chinese suspects included the 31 later acquitted in court.

The report said police discovered two illegal marriage bureaus in Lahore, including one operated from an Islamic center and madrassa — the first known report of poor Muslims also being targeted by brokers. The Muslim cleric involved fled police.

After the acquittals, there are other cases before the courts involving arrested Pakistani and at least another 21 Chinese suspects, according to the report sent to the prime minister in September. But the Chinese defendants in the cases were all granted bail and left the country, say activists and a court official.

Activists and human rights workers say Pakistan has sought to keep the trafficking of brides quiet so as not to jeopardize Pakistan’s increasingly close economic relationship with China.

China has been a steadfast ally of Pakistan for decades, particularly in its testy relationship with India. China has provided Islamabad with military assistance, including pre-tested nuclear devices and nuclear-capable missiles.

Today, Pakistan is receiving massive aid under China’s Belt and Road Initiative, a global endeavor aimed at reconstituting the Silk Road and linking China to all corners of Asia. Under the $75 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, Beijing has promised Islamabad a sprawling package of infrastructure development, from road construction and power plants to agriculture.

The demand for foreign brides in China is rooted in that country’s population, where there are roughly 34 million more men than women — a result of the one-child policy that ended in 2015 after 35 years, along with an overwhelming preference for boys that led to abortions of girl children and female infanticide.

A report released this month by Human Rights Watch, documenting trafficking in brides from Myanmar to China, said the practice is spreading. It said Pakistan, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, North Korea and Vietnam have “all have become source countries for a brutal business.”

“One of the things that is very striking about this issue is how fast the list is growing of countries that are known to be source countries in the bride trafficking business,” Heather Barr, the HRW report’s author, told AP.

Omar Warriach, Amnesty International’s campaigns director for South Asia, said Pakistan “must not let its close relationship with China become a reason to turn a blind eye to human rights abuses against its own citizens” — either in abuses of women sold as brides or separation of Pakistani women from husbands from China’s Muslim Uighur population sent to “re-education camps” to turn them away from Islam.

“It is horrifying that women are being treated this way without any concern being shown by the authorities in either country. And it’s shocking that it’s happening on this scale,” he said.

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Associated Press writers Munir Ahmed and Shahid Aslam in Islamabad contributed to this report

If you cant even stand up to this you must be really spineless.

You 2 rupee script monkey won't understand the difference between propaganda and reality. :laugh:

And why don't you tell us more about the 21 million instead of peddling your scripted nonsense?


You're based in the US and you're concern for your fellow countrymen and fellow Muslims is admirable. I'm sure that a lot of people on here would agree with you but.. oh wait, they're just not the US-based "Pakistanis", are they? For all you could be, you could easily be masquerading as a "Pakistani" when in all honesty, your motives are of deception in nature because you have an agenda to fulfil. Yeah, you're a concerned "Pakistani" alright.

I am coming to Pakistan this summer why dont we meet up somewhere and I will end this curiosity of yours of me being Pakistani?deal?
 
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Nope. The Chinese scientist know there was a new strain and were silently working to isolate the strain as early as December 2nd week. They chose not to share the info. Jinping was in the loop. WHO wasn't informed that time. It was only after the cases spread far and wide it informed WHO on a new strain by Jan 1st. The timelines has been shared repeatedly by members of pdf and various articles. Even then Wuhan lunar dinner with around 40k.people went forward so as not to get bad names during coming CCP summit or something. Local politics. China started blockade on Jan 23rd only. It even critized US for blocking mainland fights. And then rest is history. While China has done well, it's lack of transparency has left 80000 deaths around the world in its wake. If China had shares the available info as early as December we won't have seen such pandemic.

china work on virus all the time, not just dec 2nd week. They only found out it's a new virus in early January when the full genome was decoded and then they published to the world. What makes you think china simply working on a virus means they know it was a "new" virus at the time? You giving too much faith into Chinese biological /epidemic capabilities. The fact that china continue held lunar new year party is exactly because china didn't know the extent nor the capability of the virus at the time.

I just gave all non western links from Malaysia to Indonesia to UAE in a link before. Its not that hard to find. For a few $$ Lets not be spineless. Look at this behaviour is that acceptable?


On top of that they are involved in human trafficking of our women.



What is evidence to you? Video?reports? Human right organizations?Pictures? Like I said its like teaching physics to a cow. What are you hiding? Why dont you open xonjiang to journalists?not prisons but xinjiang as a whole why are you not allowing them to travel there? Let them ask questions or interview normal people.



Bharti?LOL. So you want to keep on being blind about this whole thing? They even trafficking our women to China. Pakistanis like you are a problem and that is why our country is available for rent to anyone. China giving a few millions so the posters here are blind and cant even stand up for their own people. CPEC doesnt mean they are going to come here and do whatever they want. Just see the reports of them treating our police , trafficking our women and what not. Whats so hard for you to believe?

AP Exclusive: 629 Pakistani girls sold as brides to China
By KATHY GANNONDecember 7, 2019



LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — Page after page, the names stack up: 629 girls and women from across Pakistan who were sold as brides to Chinese men and taken to China. The list, obtained by The Associated Press, was compiled by Pakistani investigators determined to break up trafficking networks exploiting the country’s poor and vulnerable.

The list gives the most concrete figure yet for the number of women caught up in the trafficking schemes since 2018.

But since the time it was put together in June, investigators’ aggressive drive against the networks has largely ground to a halt. Officials with knowledge of the investigations say that is because of pressure from government officials fearful of hurting Pakistan’s lucrative ties to Beijing.



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The biggest case against traffickers has fallen apart. In October, a court in Faisalabad acquitted 31 Chinese nationals charged in connection with trafficking. Several of the women who had initially been interviewed by police refused to testify because they were either threatened or bribed into silence, according to a court official and a police investigator familiar with the case. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared retribution for speaking out.

At the same time, the government has sought to curtail investigations, putting “immense pressure” on officials from the Federal Investigation Agency pursuing trafficking networks, said Saleem Iqbal, a Christian activist who has helped parents rescue several young girls from China and prevented others from being sent there.

“Some (FIA officials) were even transferred,” Iqbal said in an interview. “When we talk to Pakistani rulers, they don’t pay any attention. “

Asked about the complaints, Pakistan’s interior and foreign ministries refused to comment.

Several senior officials familiar with the events said investigations into trafficking have slowed, the investigators are frustrated, and Pakistani media have been pushed to curb their reporting on trafficking. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals.

“No one is doing anything to help these girls,” one of the officials said. “The whole racket is continuing, and it is growing. Why? Because they know they can get away with it. The authorities won’t follow through, everyone is being pressured to not investigate. Trafficking is increasing now.”

He said he was speaking out “because I have to live with myself. Where is our humanity?”



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China’s Foreign Ministry said it was unaware of the list.

“The two governments of China and Pakistan support the formation of happy families between their people on a voluntary basis in keeping with laws and regulations, while at the same time having zero tolerance for and resolutely fighting against any person engaging in illegal cross-border marriage behavior,” the ministry said in a statement faxed Monday to AP’s Beijing bureau.

An AP investigation earlier this year revealed how Pakistan’s Christian minority has become a new target of brokers who pay impoverished parents to marry off their daughters, some of them teenagers, to Chinese husbands who return with them to their homeland. Many of the brides are then isolated and abused or forced into prostitution in China, often contacting home and pleading to be brought back. The AP spoke to police and court officials and more than a dozen brides — some of whom made it back to Pakistan, others who remained trapped in China — as well as remorseful parents, neighbors, relatives and human rights workers.

Christians are targeted because they are one of the poorest communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan. The trafficking rings are made up of Chinese and Pakistani middlemen and include Christian ministers, mostly from small evangelical churches, who get bribes to urge their flock to sell their daughters. Investigators have also turned up at least one Muslim cleric running a marriage bureau from his madrassa, or religious school.

Investigators put together the list of 629 women from Pakistan’s integrated border management system, which digitally records travel documents at the country’s airports. The information includes the brides’ national identity numbers, their Chinese husbands’ names and the dates of their marriages.

All but a handful of the marriages took place in 2018 and up to April 2019. One of the senior officials said it was believed all 629 were sold to grooms by their families.

It is not known how many more women and girls were trafficked since the list was put together. But the official said, “the lucrative trade continues.” He spoke to the AP in an interview conducted hundreds of kilometers from his place of work to protect his identity. “The Chinese and Pakistani brokers make between 4 million and 10 million rupees ($25,000 and $65,000) from the groom, but only about 200,000 rupees ($1,500), is given to the family,” he said.

The official, with years of experience studying human trafficking in Pakistan, said many of the women who spoke to investigators told of forced fertility treatments, physical and sexual abuse and, in some cases, forced prostitution. Although no evidence has emerged, at least one investigation report contains allegations of organs being harvested from some of the women sent to China.

In September, Pakistan’s investigation agency sent a report it labeled “fake Chinese marriages cases” to Prime Minister Imran Khan. The report, a copy of which was attained by the AP, provided details of cases registered against 52 Chinese nationals and 20 of their Pakistani associates in two cities in eastern Punjab province — Faisalabad, Lahore — as well as in the capital Islamabad. The Chinese suspects included the 31 later acquitted in court.

The report said police discovered two illegal marriage bureaus in Lahore, including one operated from an Islamic center and madrassa — the first known report of poor Muslims also being targeted by brokers. The Muslim cleric involved fled police.

After the acquittals, there are other cases before the courts involving arrested Pakistani and at least another 21 Chinese suspects, according to the report sent to the prime minister in September. But the Chinese defendants in the cases were all granted bail and left the country, say activists and a court official.

Activists and human rights workers say Pakistan has sought to keep the trafficking of brides quiet so as not to jeopardize Pakistan’s increasingly close economic relationship with China.

China has been a steadfast ally of Pakistan for decades, particularly in its testy relationship with India. China has provided Islamabad with military assistance, including pre-tested nuclear devices and nuclear-capable missiles.

Today, Pakistan is receiving massive aid under China’s Belt and Road Initiative, a global endeavor aimed at reconstituting the Silk Road and linking China to all corners of Asia. Under the $75 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, Beijing has promised Islamabad a sprawling package of infrastructure development, from road construction and power plants to agriculture.

The demand for foreign brides in China is rooted in that country’s population, where there are roughly 34 million more men than women — a result of the one-child policy that ended in 2015 after 35 years, along with an overwhelming preference for boys that led to abortions of girl children and female infanticide.

A report released this month by Human Rights Watch, documenting trafficking in brides from Myanmar to China, said the practice is spreading. It said Pakistan, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, North Korea and Vietnam have “all have become source countries for a brutal business.”

“One of the things that is very striking about this issue is how fast the list is growing of countries that are known to be source countries in the bride trafficking business,” Heather Barr, the HRW report’s author, told AP.

Omar Warriach, Amnesty International’s campaigns director for South Asia, said Pakistan “must not let its close relationship with China become a reason to turn a blind eye to human rights abuses against its own citizens” — either in abuses of women sold as brides or separation of Pakistani women from husbands from China’s Muslim Uighur population sent to “re-education camps” to turn them away from Islam.

“It is horrifying that women are being treated this way without any concern being shown by the authorities in either country. And it’s shocking that it’s happening on this scale,” he said.

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Associated Press writers Munir Ahmed and Shahid Aslam in Islamabad contributed to this report

If you cant even stand up to this you must be really spineless.



I am coming to Pakistan this summer why dont we meet up somewhere and I will end this curiosity of yours of me being Pakistani?deal?

China doesn't even open up rest of the country up for random western reporters, why make exception for Xinjiang? Why does China have to prove anything when you are the one making accusations, if you make accusation, you present proof and evidence. The fact that you need journalist begging for interview and complain about China's secrecy meaning you have 0 case, 0 evidence. You make accusation first and then you go around china trying to find evidence afterward? Don't you think there's something wrong with this order of events? Don't you think it has to be having evidence first, then make accusations, not the other way around? Why does china even have to allow you into the prison after you and west constantly engage in actions of smearing first, find truth after? And no, 15 Muslims countries with diplomats did tour those education camp.

https://time.com/5496435/china-12-diplomats-tour-xinjiang/

I just gave all non western links from Malaysia to Indonesia to UAE in a link before. Its not that hard to find. For a few $$ Lets not be spineless. Look at this behaviour is that acceptable?


On top of that they are involved in human trafficking of our women.

so you quoting some random Chinese people bad actions as ways to accuse chinese people in general? Didn't you know the bride scandal was committed by Chinese criminals and they were also arrested and punished in China as well? Didn't you know there's collaboration between chinese and Pakistani police to crack down on this? Out of 1.5B Chinese people, you selectively picking out some bad behavior chinese and try to paint china with one brush? There are Pakistani people who committed crimes in china as well, you think china will blast these across its media trying to paint Pakistan in one brush as well? Don't you know every country has bad behavior people and criminals? What's the point of selectively surfacing some bad behaving chinese anyway? And seems you are perfectly okay with US killing millions of Muslims.


What is evidence to you? Video?reports? Human right organizations?Pictures? Like I said its like teaching physics to a cow. What are you hiding? Why dont you open xonjiang to journalists?not prisons but xinjiang as a whole why are you not allowing them to travel there? Let them ask questions or interview normal people.



Bharti?LOL. So you want to keep on being blind about this whole thing? They even trafficking our women to China. Pakistanis like you are a problem and that is why our country is available for rent to anyone. China giving a few millions so the posters here are blind and cant even stand up for their own people. CPEC doesnt mean they are going to come here and do whatever they want. Just see the reports of them treating our police , trafficking our women and what not. Whats so hard for you to believe?

AP Exclusive: 629 Pakistani girls sold as brides to China
By KATHY GANNONDecember 7, 2019



LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — Page after page, the names stack up: 629 girls and women from across Pakistan who were sold as brides to Chinese men and taken to China. The list, obtained by The Associated Press, was compiled by Pakistani investigators determined to break up trafficking networks exploiting the country’s poor and vulnerable.

The list gives the most concrete figure yet for the number of women caught up in the trafficking schemes since 2018.

But since the time it was put together in June, investigators’ aggressive drive against the networks has largely ground to a halt. Officials with knowledge of the investigations say that is because of pressure from government officials fearful of hurting Pakistan’s lucrative ties to Beijing.



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The biggest case against traffickers has fallen apart. In October, a court in Faisalabad acquitted 31 Chinese nationals charged in connection with trafficking. Several of the women who had initially been interviewed by police refused to testify because they were either threatened or bribed into silence, according to a court official and a police investigator familiar with the case. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared retribution for speaking out.

At the same time, the government has sought to curtail investigations, putting “immense pressure” on officials from the Federal Investigation Agency pursuing trafficking networks, said Saleem Iqbal, a Christian activist who has helped parents rescue several young girls from China and prevented others from being sent there.

“Some (FIA officials) were even transferred,” Iqbal said in an interview. “When we talk to Pakistani rulers, they don’t pay any attention. “

Asked about the complaints, Pakistan’s interior and foreign ministries refused to comment.

Several senior officials familiar with the events said investigations into trafficking have slowed, the investigators are frustrated, and Pakistani media have been pushed to curb their reporting on trafficking. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared reprisals.

“No one is doing anything to help these girls,” one of the officials said. “The whole racket is continuing, and it is growing. Why? Because they know they can get away with it. The authorities won’t follow through, everyone is being pressured to not investigate. Trafficking is increasing now.”

He said he was speaking out “because I have to live with myself. Where is our humanity?”



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China’s Foreign Ministry said it was unaware of the list.

“The two governments of China and Pakistan support the formation of happy families between their people on a voluntary basis in keeping with laws and regulations, while at the same time having zero tolerance for and resolutely fighting against any person engaging in illegal cross-border marriage behavior,” the ministry said in a statement faxed Monday to AP’s Beijing bureau.

An AP investigation earlier this year revealed how Pakistan’s Christian minority has become a new target of brokers who pay impoverished parents to marry off their daughters, some of them teenagers, to Chinese husbands who return with them to their homeland. Many of the brides are then isolated and abused or forced into prostitution in China, often contacting home and pleading to be brought back. The AP spoke to police and court officials and more than a dozen brides — some of whom made it back to Pakistan, others who remained trapped in China — as well as remorseful parents, neighbors, relatives and human rights workers.

Christians are targeted because they are one of the poorest communities in Muslim-majority Pakistan. The trafficking rings are made up of Chinese and Pakistani middlemen and include Christian ministers, mostly from small evangelical churches, who get bribes to urge their flock to sell their daughters. Investigators have also turned up at least one Muslim cleric running a marriage bureau from his madrassa, or religious school.

Investigators put together the list of 629 women from Pakistan’s integrated border management system, which digitally records travel documents at the country’s airports. The information includes the brides’ national identity numbers, their Chinese husbands’ names and the dates of their marriages.

All but a handful of the marriages took place in 2018 and up to April 2019. One of the senior officials said it was believed all 629 were sold to grooms by their families.

It is not known how many more women and girls were trafficked since the list was put together. But the official said, “the lucrative trade continues.” He spoke to the AP in an interview conducted hundreds of kilometers from his place of work to protect his identity. “The Chinese and Pakistani brokers make between 4 million and 10 million rupees ($25,000 and $65,000) from the groom, but only about 200,000 rupees ($1,500), is given to the family,” he said.

The official, with years of experience studying human trafficking in Pakistan, said many of the women who spoke to investigators told of forced fertility treatments, physical and sexual abuse and, in some cases, forced prostitution. Although no evidence has emerged, at least one investigation report contains allegations of organs being harvested from some of the women sent to China.

In September, Pakistan’s investigation agency sent a report it labeled “fake Chinese marriages cases” to Prime Minister Imran Khan. The report, a copy of which was attained by the AP, provided details of cases registered against 52 Chinese nationals and 20 of their Pakistani associates in two cities in eastern Punjab province — Faisalabad, Lahore — as well as in the capital Islamabad. The Chinese suspects included the 31 later acquitted in court.

The report said police discovered two illegal marriage bureaus in Lahore, including one operated from an Islamic center and madrassa — the first known report of poor Muslims also being targeted by brokers. The Muslim cleric involved fled police.

After the acquittals, there are other cases before the courts involving arrested Pakistani and at least another 21 Chinese suspects, according to the report sent to the prime minister in September. But the Chinese defendants in the cases were all granted bail and left the country, say activists and a court official.

Activists and human rights workers say Pakistan has sought to keep the trafficking of brides quiet so as not to jeopardize Pakistan’s increasingly close economic relationship with China.

China has been a steadfast ally of Pakistan for decades, particularly in its testy relationship with India. China has provided Islamabad with military assistance, including pre-tested nuclear devices and nuclear-capable missiles.

Today, Pakistan is receiving massive aid under China’s Belt and Road Initiative, a global endeavor aimed at reconstituting the Silk Road and linking China to all corners of Asia. Under the $75 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, Beijing has promised Islamabad a sprawling package of infrastructure development, from road construction and power plants to agriculture.

The demand for foreign brides in China is rooted in that country’s population, where there are roughly 34 million more men than women — a result of the one-child policy that ended in 2015 after 35 years, along with an overwhelming preference for boys that led to abortions of girl children and female infanticide.

A report released this month by Human Rights Watch, documenting trafficking in brides from Myanmar to China, said the practice is spreading. It said Pakistan, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Myanmar, Nepal, North Korea and Vietnam have “all have become source countries for a brutal business.”

“One of the things that is very striking about this issue is how fast the list is growing of countries that are known to be source countries in the bride trafficking business,” Heather Barr, the HRW report’s author, told AP.

Omar Warriach, Amnesty International’s campaigns director for South Asia, said Pakistan “must not let its close relationship with China become a reason to turn a blind eye to human rights abuses against its own citizens” — either in abuses of women sold as brides or separation of Pakistani women from husbands from China’s Muslim Uighur population sent to “re-education camps” to turn them away from Islam.

“It is horrifying that women are being treated this way without any concern being shown by the authorities in either country. And it’s shocking that it’s happening on this scale,” he said.

___

Associated Press writers Munir Ahmed and Shahid Aslam in Islamabad contributed to this report

If you cant even stand up to this you must be really spineless.



I am coming to Pakistan this summer why dont we meet up somewhere and I will end this curiosity of yours of me being Pakistani?deal?

I just gave all non western links from Malaysia to Indonesia to UAE in a link before. Its not that hard to find. For a few $$ Lets not be spineless. Look at this behaviour is that acceptable?

what's the point of surfacing some bad behaving chinese or chinese criminals, out of 1.4B chinese, you think there are no bad behaving chinese or criminals? Why are you trying to paint Chinese with one brush out of some random incidents. Don't you know china also collaborate with Pakistan police to crack down on bridal smuggling? And China arrest and punish those criminals as well? Are you really that dumb, somehow a few bad behaving or criminals from china represent entire china? You think Pakistan doesn't have bad behaving people at other countries, Pakistan doesn't have criminals? Here's the truth, every country on earth have these kind of people. So what's your intention of surfacing these anyway?
 
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This thread is pretty worthless tbh, The Chinese will just deny nothing is wrong in Xinjiang, the Pakistanis in Pakistan will just say its "propaganda" the Pakistanis in the diaspora mainly the so called "Islamists" ones will harp on anything Muslim cause frankly I cant blame them rampant Islamophobia of the past two decades have led to insular feelings anything heard about Muslim suffering abroad does strike a chord but I wanna say you guys are not helping in your cases to folks on the fence it true the Americans dont give a damn about Uyghurs to them they are just slit eyed sand n...gers ready to use against their rival China otherwise if China was just dirt poor and not juggernaut on the international geopolitical scene it will be irrelevent just like much of the world
 
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I am coming to Pakistan this summer why dont we meet up somewhere and I will end this curiosity of yours of me being Pakistani?deal?

CIA agent "Khan_21" masquerade as Pakistani coming near you.
 
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