China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[shuntmaster]

If China believed that a 100k Ton ship can be sunk by few 100 Kgs of explosives in the 'carrier killers' warhead, then why is it investing so much on aircraft carriers??

 

[gslv mk3]

Who said
that the JF-17s will come alone......
that JF-17s will engage the 29s in air to air.....

What's the use of a CBG if you want all of the IN & IAF just to defend it.

Who said
that the JF-17s will come alone......
that JF-17s will engage the 29s in air to air.....

What's the use of a CBG if you want all of the IN & IAF just to defend it.

Who said
that the JF-17s will come alone......
that JF-17s will engage the 29s in air to air.....

What's the use of a CBG if you want all of the IN & IAF just to defend it.

Dont turn this thread into a Joke.

Please explain how your JF 17 s carrying AKGs would come close to indian AC and how would they evade detection by the radars on Indian warships/ kamov ka 31 aews / the AC itself.

And explain how it would evade interception from mig 29ks and AD systems of the CBG.

and finally there is barak 8 SAM....to defend against AKg.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Dont turn this thread into a Joke.

Please explain how your JF 17 s carrying AKGs would come close to indian AC and how would they evade detection by the radars on Indian warships/ kamov ka 31 aews / the AC itself.

And explain how it would evade interception from mig 29ks and AD systems of the CBG.

and finally there is barak 8 SAM....to defend against AKg.

Actually your the one who is joking, who only knows names of a couple of equipment.
How to use them is altogether a different analogy.

 

[kaykay]

Who said
that the JF-17s will come alone......
that JF-17s will engage the 29s in air to air.....

What's the use of a CBG if you want all of the IN & IAF just to defend it.

Then INS Vikramaditya's main Job would be to divert your airforce attention by creating a second front. Even if you assign 30+ JF-17s for Ins Vikramaditya, Viki's job would be done. Not to forget in next 4 years another Aircraft Carrier is coming and then your airforce surely won't ignore 50+ Fighters on 2 ACs.

 

[OrionHunter]

Oh damn! Chinese cruise missiles to hit moving targets like ships and ACs? Gimme a break! This technology has not even been perfected yet by the US and is only in the testing stages. Probably take a couple of years more to iron out the bugs and make it operational.

This new seeker employing Electronic Support Measures (ESM) was recently tested with the Raytheon Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile, as part of the weapon’s product improvement program. The new seeker will enable the cruise missile to engage moving or relocatable targets, including ships or mobile surface-to-air missile sites, identified by their unique electromagnetic signature.

The new seeker can automatically locate and track moving and stationary targets by sensing the electro-magnetic radiation they emit (i.e. radar, communications etc).

So, according to the Chinese and their fan boys, they've stolen a march over the Americans in missile technology!! That's nuts!

I really did fall on my a$$ laughing!!

 

[Bratva]

Oh damn! Chinese cruise missiles to hit moving targets like ships and ACs? Gimme a break! This technology has not even been perfected yet by the US and is only in the testing stages. Probably take a couple of years more to iron out the bugs and make it operational.

This new seeker employing Electronic Support Measures (ESM) was recently tested with the Raytheon Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile, as part of the weapon’s product improvement program. The new seeker will enable the cruise missile to engage moving or relocatable targets, including ships or mobile surface-to-air missile sites, identified by their unique electromagnetic signature.

The new seeker can automatically locate and track moving and stationary targets by sensing the electro-magnetic radiation they emit (i.e. radar, communications etc).

So, according to the Chinese and their fan boys, they've stolen a march over the Americans in missile technology!! That's nuts!

I really did fall on my a$$ laughing!!

For the first time, the AVIC video details claims for the accuracy of each of the CM-400’s three major guidance systems, starting with a 50m (164ft) circular error probable (CEP) for an inertial navigation system coupled with satellite positioning. A weapon's CEP is defined as the 50% probability that it will hit within a given radius of the target’s position.

The accuracy of the CM-400 improves by an order of magnitude - to a CEP of 5m - when an onboard infrared (IR)/TV seeker activates to provide terminal guidance. The list also claims that the CEP of the weapon actually worsens to 5-10m when an IR/TV seeker is supplemented by a passive radar during the terminal phase. It is not clear why the passive radar – identified as occupying the L, S and X bands of the electromagnetic spectrum – would not improve the CM-400’s accuracy.

AVIC lists the 0.4m-diameter missile as having a range of between 54-130nm (100-240km), while carrying either a 150kg blast warhead or 200kg penetration warhead.

DUBAI: China details performance of 'carrier killer' missile for JF-17

 

[Dash]

While China makes DF21 for carrier killing, some Pak friend rejoice with this small baby....heights of delusion!!

 

[OrionHunter]

For the first time, the AVIC video details claims for the accuracy of each of the CM-400’s three major guidance systems, starting with a 50m (164ft) circular error probable (CEP) for an inertial navigation system coupled with satellite positioning. A weapon's CEP is defined as the 50% probability that it will hit within a given radius of the target’s position.

The accuracy of the CM-400 improves by an order of magnitude - to a CEP of 5m - when an onboard infrared (IR)/TV seeker activates to provide terminal guidance. The list also claims that the CEP of the weapon actually worsens to 5-10m when an IR/TV seeker is supplemented by a passive radar during the terminal phase. It is not clear why the passive radar – identified as occupying the L, S and X bands of the electromagnetic spectrum – would not improve the CM-400’s accuracy.

AVIC lists the 0.4m-diameter missile as having a range of between 54-130nm (100-240km), while carrying either a 150kg blast warhead or 200kg penetration warhead.

DUBAI: China details performance of 'carrier killer' missile for JF-17

Agreed with what you have mentioned. But you missed out the central point of my argument and that is the kill probability of these missiles on MOVING TARGETS. Even the Americans haven't perfected this technology so far. Have the Chinese? I doubt it!

 

[Black Widow]

For the first time, the AVIC video details claims for the accuracy of each of the CM-400’s three major guidance systems, starting with a 50m (164ft) circular error probable (CEP) for an inertial navigation system coupled with satellite positioning. A weapon's CEP is defined as the 50% probability that it will hit within a given radius of the target’s position.

The accuracy of the CM-400 improves by an order of magnitude - to a CEP of 5m - when an onboard infrared (IR)/TV seeker activates to provide terminal guidance. The list also claims that the CEP of the weapon actually worsens to 5-10m when an IR/TV seeker is supplemented by a passive radar during the terminal phase. It is not clear why the passive radar – identified as occupying the L, S and X bands of the electromagnetic spectrum – would not improve the CM-400’s accuracy.

AVIC lists the 0.4m-diameter missile as having a range of between 54-130nm (100-240km), while carrying either a 150kg blast warhead or 200kg penetration warhead.

DUBAI: China details performance of 'carrier killer' missile for JF-17

Till date I know CEP is defined for fixed target.. CEP for moving Target will be much more than CEP for fixed target..

 

[Bratva]

Agreed with what you have mentioned. But you missed out the central point of my argument and that is the kill probability of these missiles on MOVING TARGETS. Even the Americans haven't perfected this technology so far. Have the Chinese? I doubt it!

Passive radar systems (also referred to as passive coherent location and passive covert radar) encompass a class of radar systems that detect and track objects by processing reflections from non-cooperative sources of illumination in the environment, such as commercial broadcast and communications signals

Capability is there to hit moving targets. No matter how imperfect. Carrier is a big thing. Missile would be able to hit it but how much it would penetrate it. It remains to be seen

 

[danish_vij]

Who said
that the JF-17s will come alone......

ok so many are u interested to send??
20??
or 50?
and then.......evn before u c any mig 29 or any craft of CBG ur jf's will fall prey to bvraam........
and dont live in delusion that if u r launching an attack of CBG u will c the retaliation from CBG only..

What's the use of a CBG if you want all of the IN & IAF just to defend it.

what is the use of ur navy if u need ur airforce JF17's to attack IN ?

 

[SrNair]

Who said
that the JF-17s will come alone......
that JF-17s will engage the 29s in air to air.....

What's the use of a CBG if you want all of the IN & IAF just to defend it.

All this will happen when JF-17 and mig-29k has same capability.According to general information Junk Fighter-17 is only a carrier for carrying a bvraam or this carrier killer missile.But mig -29k it is much different game.

INS vikramaditya already have 500km ECM features,they can blind a fighter which is at a distance of 500 km .Now this missile range is 250km so one can assume what is the fate of jf-17 within 250 km range. CBG has its own AD and mig-29k

 

[xyxmt]

This missile baby will be pakistan new toys to do the job on the INDIA, we will selling many of this baby to Pakistan. Hope you guys finished the job well.

we tried so many time but they are not in the mood to start a war

 

[SrNair]

we tried so many time but they are not in the mood to start a war

India gets mood when we complete the modernization of Army,Navy and Airforce.But at that time
Pakistan mood will be in trouble.

 

[AirRodgers]

This is how you attack a badly design India AC.. The India carrier is very limited by its design lol an island almost in the middle of the deck, what morron think that a good AC design. This will hamper(slow) the launch and recovery of the 24 mig 29... If Pakistan send say 24 jf 17 toward the India AC and is detected India will launch the migs to intercept. This will take time because of the limitation of the AC.. By the time the migs are launch and heading toward the 24 jf 17, the Pakistani should turn their fighter back home.. This is when the AC is vulnerable, the mig will chase the jf 17 or return to their AC because their fuel is running dry... About this time if Pakistan send in another group of jf 17 toward the India AC, they be without mig protection. The mig in the air need to land to refuel and because of the badly design of the AC it takes them too long to recover and put up a fully fuel mig to defend the carrier from the incoming jf 17..