China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[tahir195]

JF 17 will have to fight with Mig 29 K And Su 30 to reach a Carrier

now that's a good and sensible question

SU-30MKI combat range: 1,620 nmi
Jam Nagar AFB - Bandar Abbas: 803.27 nmi (in range also for Mirage-2000)
Mumbai - Bandar Abbas: 1038.00 nmi

Having a carrier and escorting ships near the Strait of Hormuz would certainly have advantages, such as faster response times, longer loiter time, heavier war load over shorter distance etc. Without ships it is difficult to e.g. board and search ships. But in a major comflict scenario, you could/would still have Su-30MKI flying CAP over the area, backed by IL-76 based AWACS and tankers. The navy would use its land-based 1,200 nmi (with 4 hrs on station) P-8I, the 3887nmi IL-38 MPA's and the 6775 nmi range Tu-142 Bear MPA/bomber for recon, patrol and (antiship) strikes.

Likewise for a no-fly zone in the Indian Ocean. The carrier force comes into play for real at the very edges of the land-based air cover. And where staying power is required. That goes in the direction of the Gulf but also in the direction of the Malacca and Sunda Straits. and the antarcic.

Pakistan is in no position to blockade: they don't have the necessary number and quality of ships. Pakistan's naval doctrine is sea denial.

ha ha ha what about 25 Submarines

 

[Penguin]

ha ha ha what about 25 Submarines

What about them?

The track record of the 10 IN Kilo/Sindhugosh class and 4 Shishumar/209-1500 class subs isn't exactly stellar. There is a single Akula class, Chakra, and a single Arihant SSBN. Oh wait, that adds up to just 16 subs. Which cannot under all circumstances be put in one place (unless you like flanks and rear exposed), assuming they are all operational at any given time. Besides, how will you board ships from subs during a blockade?

Pakistan has 3 Agosta 90B and 2 Agosta 70 subs.

End of story.

 

[tahir195]

What about them?

The track record of the 10 IN Kilo/Sindhugosh class and 4 Shishumar/209-1500 class subs isn't exactly stellar. There is a single Akula class, Chakra, and a single Arihant SSBN. Oh wait, that adds up to just 16 subs. Which cannot under all circumstances be put in one place (unless you like flanks and rear exposed), assuming they are all operational at any given time. Besides, how will you board ships from subs during a blockade?

Pakistan has 3 Agosta 90B and 2 Agosta 70 subs.

End of story.

Bhai kia need ma hai

PAKISTAN is buying 20 New sub

 

[Basel]

if missile is called carrier killer doesn't mean will not be used against enemy ships it shall be used more for defensive purposes from attacking enemy frigates or destroyers. Further Missile can reach up range of 250KM which is quite sufficient to defend our coast line. Further in future like Brahmos , PN may start JV with China to develop next version of under discussion Missile with long range. Pak May also further develop Raad-Hatf VIII Missile further in naval role which already has range of 350KM may be easily increased up to 500 to 600Km.
Further there are major chances that PN will get it's own multi role naval fighter may be of 4.5th gen which will have stealth features, so a semi stealth plane with high flight ceiling and speed of Mach 2.2+ may pierce through any defenses not only Indian's and may effectively fire Missile from 5 to 600KM easily.

Further it is a fact that u will have to pay price to attack any Aircraft Carrier due to heavy defenses.

If you read announcement of ISPR after Raad test, it said it can hit targets at sea, which means it already has AShM capability.

Bhai kia need ma hai

PAKISTAN is buying 20 New sub

When it is announced that Pakistan will buy 20 new submarines? Please confirm purchase of 8 submarines via reliable sources first.

SU-30MKI combat range: 1,620 nmi
Jam Nagar AFB - Bandar Abbas: 803.27 nmi (in range also for Mirage-2000)
Mumbai - Bandar Abbas: 1038.00 nmi

Having a carrier and escorting ships near the Strait of Hormuz would certainly have advantages, such as faster response times, longer loiter time, heavier war load over shorter distance etc. Without ships it is difficult to e.g. board and search ships. But in a major conflict scenario, you could/would still have Su-30MKI flying CAP over the area, backed by IL-76 based AWACS and tankers. The navy would use its land-based 1,200 nmi (with 4 hrs on station) P-8I, the 3887nmi IL-38 MPA's and the 6775 nmi range Tu-142 Bear MPA/bomber for recon, patrol and (antiship) strikes.

Likewise for a no-fly zone in the Indian Ocean. The carrier force comes into play for real at the very edges of the land-based air cover. And where staying power is required. That goes in the direction of the Gulf but also in the direction of the Malacca and Sunda Straits. and the antarcic.

Pakistan is in no position to blockade: they don't have the necessary number and quality of ships. Pakistan's naval doctrine is sea denial.

What is your opinion about sea denial capabilities of Pakistan? Can they deny a blocked in any future war?

 

[tahir195]

When it is announced that Pakistan will buy 20 new submarines? Please confirm purchase of 8 submarines via reliable sources first.

When it is announced that Pakistan will buy 20 new submarines? Please confirm purchase of 8 submarines via reliable sources first.

huma dhandora peetne ka shoq nhi hai ok.

 

[Basel]

huma dhandora peetne ka shoq nhi hai ok.

Post agreement confirmation source not some rag tag PhotoShop stuff.

Do you even know how Pakistan procure stuff specially from China? The deal is not signed yet because no confirmation from government till now, the government has announced that Pakistan will purchase subs from China so they will not hide the deal if/when confirmed.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

huma dhandora peetne ka shoq nhi hai ok.

It says 8 subs... the deal ins't inked yet.. what about rest 12??

 

[Penguin]

Bhai kia need ma hai

PAKISTAN is buying 20 New sub

Thusfar, Pakistan is not getting zip. Even if 8 boats come in, you will some of them replacing the oldest boats now in service. So it is not a straight 5+8 and beyond

 

[Indus Falcon]

Thusfar, Pakistan is not getting zip. Even if 8 boats come in, you will some of them replacing the oldest boats now in service. So it is not a straight 5+8 and beyond

Rightly said. Depending on the time frame it might be 3+8 or ultimately just 8. For now.

 

[Basel]

Thusfar, Pakistan is not getting zip. Even if 8 boats come in, you will some of them replacing the oldest boats now in service. So it is not a straight 5+8 and beyond

True but 8 is not final number PN may place order for 3 to 5 more subs if initial deal went through well. As per new PN is also looking for used subs, if true then it means used subs will be rapid replacement of old 70-Cs.

 

[Penguin]

True but 8 is not final number PN may place order for 3 to 5 more subs if initial deal went through well. As per new PN is also looking for used subs, if true then it means used subs will be rapid replacement of old 70-Cs.

Let's first see how those first 8 materialize. Certainly not 25 subs.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Chill... IN does not need to be afraid of PN or PAF, incompetent IN sailors and officers will sink half their vessels themselves.

carriers are not dummy shots...will commentator keep that in mind......carrier killer lul.....first how PN or PAF going is going to pass carrier battle group defense...

 

[Basel]

Let's first see how those first 8 materialize. Certainly not 25 subs.

I never said PN will have25 subs, they initially want 10 to 12 subs to have decent area denial capability for future.

What you think about current and future area denial capabilities of Pakistan?

 

[CHI RULES]

Pak should work in JV with China to produce Anti ship Cruise Missile like Brahmos with range of 600-1000KM along with immediate acquisition of 4.5th gen Naval Fighter from Chin i.e J15 or J16 squadron along with integration of 1 to 2 squadrons of JF17 dual seaters for support roles in near future. There are speculations that dual seater may have french engines along with avionics with longer range.

By the way we should follow the subject of discussion rather than Pak future subs

 

[Akasa]

The CM-400AKG is not an anti-ship weapon; its flight profile and propulsion suggest that it is more along the lines of an anti-radiation weapon than anything else.

If Pakistan wish to invest in heavy-duty anti-shipping capabilities, it should consider purchasing the air-launched YJ-12 (with a speed of Mach 3.5 and 400 km range), the ground- or naval-launched YJ-18 (with a speed of Mach 2.5-3.0 and 540 km range), or the ground- or naval-launched CX-1 (with a speed of Mach 2.8-3.0 and 280 km range).