China's 'nastier Rise' Will Affect Those Cheering America's Decline: South Asian Expert

[Indus Pakistan]

The last time I checked Pakistani Americans with brown skin, Islamic religion and Arabic names make a good living in USA.

Last time I checked the non Muslim Parsi Pakistani's are some of the most wealthiest people in Pakistan but that is not saying much is it?

 

[nahtanbob]

What did I say about "transparent but blind". Meaning so what if the world saw it? If you got smothered with CNN watching or smothered in dark what differance would it make. The FACT is the killings contine. FACT is there is deep systemic racism in USA. FACT is there is deep division between haves and haves not. The elites have captured all the levers of influence in the so called free country. The result is while being free many don't have benefit of being free. It's like that saying "justice is open to all like the Ritz Hotel".

Finally, even the much trumpeted freedom and transparency your alluding to is a recent invention in USA. Only few decades ago Negroes were free to be second class legally. Your assuming China 2020 will remain 2020. It's evolving. In few decades they will also be singing "freedom".

it is african americans to decide whether they is a division or not. if they were divided they would not participating in the military, police force and government in larger numbers. look at the interactions between african americans and police force. only a very small percentage is bad.

if china evolves in a positive manner it is great for the entire world. you cannot assume it happens

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

If that was the case


you do not make alliance with someone who is a threat to you. a corollary of it - you reduce business with such countries

Australia has a small economy and population. there's no point in appeasing them when they're so hostile. US doesn't hestitate to sanction Cuba, why should China hesitate to sanction Australia?

Just as funny is the notion that the EU can support the US. EU doesn't have power projection to East Asia and their economic policies are more aligned with China's in terms of standards like RoHS, REACH, ISO, metric system, grid voltage, etc. than with the US which follows ASTM and SAE standards. China also has an easy to work with tax code that doesn't try to enforce extraterritorial taxes (the same as the EU) while US tax code is so onerous that even US companies leave and offshore as much as possible. I don't blame them one bit, because IRS offshore reporting requirements are so insane that overseas Americans are essentially pariahs to global banks. Even Chinese data privacy laws are convering with EU ones rather than US ones which further aligns EU and Chinese economies.

The end result? Chinese economy grows faster because it is more integrated with EU, Russian and ASEAN ones because we use the same standards, policies and have noninterfering tax codes. US grows more isolated as its economy shrinks relatively and it no longer is worth it to deal with their exceptional standards and taxes. US has shown no political will to reform its economy or tax code except through making it even more onerous for both rich and poor to deal with.

 

[Nasr]

China's 'nastier Rise' Will Affect Those Cheering America's Decline: South Asian Expert
China has transformed itself into a global power in the last couple of decades and now it believes that it can challenge the US with its increasing might
Written By
Vishal Tiwari
11th October, 2020 17:33 IST

Jeff M. Smith, a Research Fellow, South Asia-Heritage Foundation on October 10 slammed people for celebrating America's decline, saying that "surrounded by allies and oceans, having leading tech, a network of military allies, and 5,000+ nuclear warheads", the United States will be okay if China's rise takes a "nastier turn". China has transformed itself into a global power in the last couple of decades and now it believes that it can challenge the US with its increasing military might and by becoming the factory for the world.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1314944426234519554

Some people are cheering China's rise as they see it as a significant decline in America's influence across the globe. Jeff M. Smith, with his tweet, was targetting those who will be happy to see China takeover the US to become the global superpower in the next couple of years. Smith warned that if China's rise by any chance takes a nastier turn, it will barely affect the United States as it sits comfortably on the North American continental plate and is surrounded by oceans on both sides, which makes it difficult for any nation to wage war against the country.

China's 'nastier rise' will affect those cheering America's decline: South Asian expert

China has transformed itself into a global power in the last couple of decades and now it believes that it can challenge the US with its increasing might

www.republicworld.com

The author seems to think that China is challenging america for control. It's the opposite, since it is america with close to a thousand military bases and installations around the world. It is america that has thousands of military personnel and hardware in Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Diego Garcia and Australia. Not China having any military bases in Cuba, Venezuela, or Mexico. It is america that has warships roaming in South China Sea, Sea of Japan and indian Ocean, not China's warships in Guam, the North Atlantic Ocean or the Gulf of Mexico.

America is a product of colonization by zionist-britain, zionist-france, zionist-netherlands and zionist-germany. While China is a civilization, thousands of years old that has not colonized any part of the world. So making comparisons or declarations about what is or what will be, regarding america's superiority, is a bit childish and amateurish.

The author also fails miserably to recognize the fact that america's economy is contracting, millions of americans are unemployed, while Wall Street rallies keep going up on the back of corporate tax cuts and the government spends $1.3 trillion on the military. No, not Russia or China would not invade america, but one thing is dead certain, america would collapse under its own weight of spiralling debt, mass unemployment, corporate b@$tards getting filthy rich and the zionist-parasites finally plunging the country into civil war that in turn would lead global war.

As for China, well so long as it is not controlled or coerced by zionists, the rest of the world will keep cheering on its rise. For if China becomes another america, france or britain, then be sure the zionists have their tentacles embedded in the country. Having said that, China is not america, britain or france. The Chinese civilization has experienced the scourge of zionist's ancestors, and this country it's people aren't stupid, or gullible or vain enough to be controlled by zionists.

 

[nahtanbob]

Australia has a small economy and population. there's no point in appeasing them when they're so hostile. US doesn't hestitate to sanction Cuba, why should China hesitate to sanction Australia?

We have economic sanctions on Cuba. China does not have the balls to impose economic sanctions on Australia. quit pretending otherwise

all China can do is huff and puff

Last time I checked the non Muslim Parsi Pakistani's are some of the most wealthiest people in Pakistan but that is not saying much is it?

Pakistani-Americans are throwing everything away and emigrating to a foreign country that is supposedly racist, hostile and biased

 

[FuturePAF]

We have economic sanctions on Cuba. China does not have the balls to impose economic sanctions on Australia. quit pretending otherwise

all China can do is huff and puff


Pakistani-Americans are throwing everything away and emigrating to a foreign country that is supposedly racist, hostile and biased

China doesn’t need to impose sanctions. It’s not their way. They would rather build up a number of countries with similar resources and cut orders for raw materials from Australia. China also sends a lot of students to Australia and many Chinese want to move to Australia.

Australia needs China more then China needs Australia. I’m saying this from an objective point of view. Unless the rest of the Anglo-sphere can substitute Chinese demand for Australian raw materials, Australia will either have to limit its verbal protests of China or bear the burden of lower revenue. Australia is building loyal wingmen aircraft, so it is reserving the capacity to fight China if need be. Only time will tell how the relationship develops.

Ever since the Cold War ended 30 years ago, many have forgotten how the west was more economically competitive the the Soviets to win over partners to its side. There was the use of other direct action methods, but they were on partially responsible for winning the Cold War.
During this time the British adopted more economic and less military means to win their share of partners as they freed countries from their empire. The US should become more economically competitive and less military focused if it is to win partners over China. They can start with Latin America and try to move factory jobs by American companies there. it will help stabilize the region, tie it to America in a sustainable way, and mitigate the immigration influx to the US to some extend.

America’s soft power is its greatest strength and its military interventionist mindset is its greatest liability. Eisenhower tried to warn us of this in his farewell address; the dangers of the military-industrial complex.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Only few decades ago Negroes were free to be second class legally.

better check your facts again.
Negros in the USA have the highest standard of living of any Negro population in the world. If Negros were/are second class citizens then tens of millions of supposed "white" Americans, those dumb fools who freed the slaves, were and are also second or third class citizens. Now, those dumb supposed "white" Americans get to put up with being called racists by the descendants of the very Negro people they freed.
They, and everyone else, should have been thankful that they had good lives. Life is borrowed. Take it all away.

What If Black America Were a Country?

The statistics reveal a fragile state within a superpower.

www.theatlantic.com

Compare the wealth of Black Africans in America, average income $58,985 (according to wikipedia), median income $40,285 (2018 US census) to African Blacks average income is $315.
Compare the crime rates.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/demo/p60-263/figure1.pdf

Household income in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Negros in the USA

Frankly I despise Negros. So I don't give a toss whether you guys use them as target practice or knee exercise. Of more import and relevant to this thread is that you have tens of millions of them roaming your country and source of severe internal issues as we saw with riots and all the malarchy this gone summer. They are a weakness in your political body.

 

[FuturePAF]

better check your facts again.
Negros in the USA have the highest standard of living of any Negro population in the world. If Negros were/are second class citizens then tens of millions of supposed "white" Americans, those dumb fools who freed the slaves, were and are also second or third class citizens. Now, those dumb supposed "white" Americans get to put up with being called racists by the descendants of the very Negro people they freed.
They, and everyone else, should have been thankful that they had good lives. Life is borrowed. Take it all away.

What If Black America Were a Country?

The statistics reveal a fragile state within a superpower.

www.theatlantic.com

Compare the wealth of Black Africans in America, average income $58,985 (according to wikipedia), median income $40,285 (2018 US census) to African Blacks average income is $315.
Compare the crime rates.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/demo/p60-263/figure1.pdf

Household income in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

check the stats again. The Average African family only has $17,150 in wealth in 2016, while the average White American family has nearly tens times that amount at $171,000. The cost of living is such that many if not most African-Americans live Paycheck to paycheck. Many have left the richer but more expensive in the North and returned to places like Atlanta.

Examining the Black-white wealth gap

A close examination of wealth in the U.S. finds evidence of staggering racial disparities.

www.google.com

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

We have economic sanctions on Cuba. China does not have the balls to impose economic sanctions on Australia. quit pretending otherwise

all China can do is huff and puff

China had already put sanctions on targeted Australian industries and they will continue to limit the Australian regime's economic foundation for aggression.

 

[KurtisBrian]

check the stats again. The Average African family only has $17,150 in wealth in 2016, while the average White American family has nearly tens times that amount at $171,000. The cost of living is such that many if not most African-Americans live Paycheck to paycheck. Many have left the richer but more expensive in the North and returned to places like Atlanta.

Examining the Black-white wealth gap

A close examination of wealth in the U.S. finds evidence of staggering racial disparities.

www.google.com

Nothing wrong with the stats.
Income is income. How and on what a person chooses to spend the money they "earn" or are gifted is a matter of personal preference.

African Americans I see usually have a lot of gold jewelry. Probably not too eager to tell the gov't and tax man they have it.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/

 

[nahtanbob]

China had already put sanctions on targeted Australian industries and they will continue to limit the Australian regime's economic foundation for aggression.

Cut the crap dude. When will China impose sanctions on Australia ?

Frankly I despise Negros. So I don't give a toss whether you guys use them as target practice or knee exercise. Of more import and relevant to this thread is that you have tens of millions of them roaming your country and source of severe internal issues as we saw with riots and all the malarchy this gone summer. They are a weakness in your political body.

First the term Negro is derogatory. I know you do not mean it in that sense. Why stereotype every African American ? A substantial minority has issues. A lot of them are hard working law abiding folks just like people of other races

 

[nahtanbob]

China doesn’t need to impose sanctions. It’s not their way. They would rather build up a number of countries with similar resources and cut orders for raw materials from Australia. China also sends a lot of students to Australia and many Chinese want to move to Australia.

Australia needs China more then China needs Australia. I’m saying this from an objective point of view. Unless the rest of the Anglo-sphere can substitute Chinese demand for Australian raw materials, Australia will either have to limit its verbal protests of China or bear the burden of lower revenue. Australia is building loyal wingmen aircraft, so it is reserving the capacity to fight China if need be. Only time will tell how the relationship develops.

Ever since the Cold War ended 30 years ago, many have forgotten how the west was more economically competitive the the Soviets to win over partners to its side. There was the use of other direct action methods, but they were on partially responsible for winning the Cold War.
During this time the British adopted more economic and less military means to win their share of partners as they freed countries from their empire. The US should become more economically competitive and less military focused if it is to win partners over China. They can start with Latin America and try to move factory jobs by American companies there. it will help stabilize the region, tie it to America in a sustainable way, and mitigate the immigration influx to the US to some extend.

America’s soft power is its greatest strength and its military interventionist mindset is its greatest liability. Eisenhower tried to warn us of this in his farewell address; the dangers of the military-industrial complex.

If not Australia where are the Chinese going to go ? Canada ? The same Canada that detained Huawei CFO USA ? the same USA that launched a trade war

Which country in Europe, Canada, Australia will join a Chinese bloc ?

China doesn’t need to impose sanctions. It’s not their way. They would rather build up a number of countries with similar resources and cut orders for raw materials from Australia. China also sends a lot of students to Australia and many Chinese want to move to Australia.

Australia needs China more then China needs Australia. I’m saying this from an objective point of view. Unless the rest of the Anglo-sphere can substitute Chinese demand for Australian raw materials, Australia will either have to limit its verbal protests of China or bear the burden of lower revenue. Australia is building loyal wingmen aircraft, so it is reserving the capacity to fight China if need be. Only time will tell how the relationship develops.

Ever since the Cold War ended 30 years ago, many have forgotten how the west was more economically competitive the the Soviets to win over partners to its side. There was the use of other direct action methods, but they were on partially responsible for winning the Cold War.
During this time the British adopted more economic and less military means to win their share of partners as they freed countries from their empire. The US should become more economically competitive and less military focused if it is to win partners over China. They can start with Latin America and try to move factory jobs by American companies there. it will help stabilize the region, tie it to America in a sustainable way, and mitigate the immigration influx to the US to some extend.

America’s soft power is its greatest strength and its military interventionist mindset is its greatest liability. Eisenhower tried to warn us of this in his farewell address; the dangers of the military-industrial complex.

There is no way White liberal democracies are joining China - that rules out Europe, Canada, Australia.
At some point in the future Russia may join.

The real question is whether any of Asian countries will join Chinese bloc. Right now Japan is part of the US camp. If China mishandles India it loses India.

 

[FuturePAF]

If not Australia where are the Chinese going to go ? Canada ? The same Canada that detained Huawei CFO USA ? the same USA that launched a trade war

Which country in Europe, Canada, Australia will join a Chinese bloc ?



There is no way White liberal democracies are joining China - that rules out Europe, Canada, Australia.
At some point in the future Russia may join.

The real question is whether any of Asian countries will join Chinese bloc. Right now Japan is part of the US camp. If China mishandles India it loses India.

China doesn’t build blocs. This may have to change in the future, but even when they fought in the Korean War it was to maintain the buffer state of North Korea. They don’t expect anyone to fight for them.

They are trying to reorganize the world order so a “coalition of the willing” never forms against them, as happened during the Boxer rebellion in the early 1900s, a period during the “century of humiliation” where imperial powers had carved up China. they want to make as much of the world neutral or at least not outright hostile towards them.

Unlike the Soviet, the Chinese don’t export their culture or require other nations to have political systems like their own. Similar to Japan and South Korea, they just want to ensure control over resources coming to their country, no matter what, and improving standard of living year on year. Remover how the west feared Japan’s rise in the 70s and the 80s. A.k.a what China calls the “Chinese dream”.

During the Cold War, The soviets won over allies due to countering colonial powers and through economic and political aid. Instead of competing with the Soviets on balanced economic terms, the use of military and secret interventions, along with predatory economics drove many nations into the hands of the Soviets.

Repeating these same mistakes are bound to driving nations in Latin America (I.e. Venezuela), Africa (Angola and parts of East Africa), and parts of Asia (Philippines; they could go either way based on China and Sprately’s) and Eastern Europe (Serbia) into China’s hands.

China never really hand India in its camp. ever since the 1962 war, they have been managing India, keeping it docile as much as possible. Now that India’s pride is hurt, India is chest thumping and trying to drag the “Quad” in to fight its battle. Which they will not do.

Chinese students are having a tough time getting jobs when they return to China, so the number of students going abroad will probably become limited or restricted to master’s and doctoral students in advanced fields.

 

[nahtanbob]

they just want to ensure control over resources coming to their country, no matter what, and improving standard of living year on year.

That is called colonialism