China's massive navy is only getting bigger, and the US is looking overseas for help keeping its warships in action

[SaadH]

never said it was wonderful or great

Yeah just like Piers Morgan didn't say 40 babies were beheaded by Hamas...

 

[nahtanbob]

Yeah just like Piers Morgan didn't say 40 babies were beheaded by Hamas...

Hamas did enough stuff on video to justify Western style justice

 

[Bengal71]

The solution is simple.

Chinese and Russian coordination.

Iran.

Pakistan.

Afghanistan is interested in BRI.

Iraq is an Iranian ally.

Get Syria involved with China.

You have a belt of nations from China to the Mediterranean.

Yes but China is not USSR, USA type of superpower. They don't get involved in any other's business, they exclusively focus on their immediate interest only and that's their mainland and surroundings. This is fine to be a very powerful nation but this attitude will never make a country a superpower. For superpowers, attitude matters.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes but China is not USSR, USA type of superpower. They don't get involved in any other's business, they exclusively focus on their immediate interest only and that's their mainland and surroundings. This is fine to be a very powerful nation but this attitude will never make a country a superpower. For superpowers, attitude matters.

Superpowe is 100% negative word in the Chinese vocabulary, which inseparably tied with hegemony and imperialism.

 

[Bengal71]

The title of superpower is a curse. In this world, no one is the main character forever. The British started the industrial revolution, then the Germans replaced them. The Soviet Union had a glorious period in the 1970s and 1980s and then collapsed. And the current main character is still America. In the future, China will replace America, so who will replace China? If China tries to pursue temporary glory, sooner or later it will repeat the tragedy of Britain, Germany, the Soviet Union, and the United States, being replaced by other countries. The winner is not the strongest, but the one who can live to the end


If they really do what you say then it's China's luck.

However, in reality, China's situation is very different

China is not completely neutral. They pursue the dream of superpower and want to expand soft power at all costs.

And it will lead to China's tragedy in the future.

I don't tell China to do anything. I just observe China's behaviour as a very powerful country. While they have 50 times the strength of the USSR, their behaviour of displaying power is not even 1/100th of the USSR or USA.

I don't care what China wants to be and how it wants to behave. I just observe that great superpowers of the past and the present one show different behaviour and that's how they command respect and leadership role in the world. China has some goodwill in the world today, but nobody takes it as a leader, nobody counts on it as a saviour should they be attacked. It will remain that way as long as China has this attitude. Superpowers that assume the leadership role of the world behave differently, they behave like alpha males in street fights.

Superpowe is 100% negative word in the Chinese vocabulary, which inseparably tied with hegemony and imperialism.

Which is fine, that's the choice of China and people of China.

For other nations, China doesn't look like a superpower, the US does. And it's all because of the attitude.

 

[Bengal71]

That's not entirely accurate.

The show of force is not entirely military-focused.

If the Soviet Union and the United States tried to build military alliances and set up bases abroad. China then applies a different approach, which is to expand its economic power, soft power and cultural influence.

That's why they spend billions of dollars to build Confucius Institutes abroad, provide scholarships to students in third world countries, provide aid to South Asian and African countries, etc. For example, during the Covid period, Xi provided billions of vaccine doses to Africa….

That's fine. That soft power or whatever it is hasn't established China as a superpower. No nation seriously counts on China in need, no nation seriously considers China as an ally. That behaviour is fine, and it's up to the Chinese to decide their path, I have no issues with it. It's just that that attitude will only take you so far and won't make you a superpower.

All allies and friends are unstable and unreliable. Its law is like a sinusoid. When you reach the top, next you will go down. It partly explains the reason for the brotherly / ally relationship: The Soviet Union, Vietnam and Albania became hostile to China and its influence remains to this day. China needs to have good relations with the rest of the world but cannot be too good because it has the opposite effect. A military alliance is ineffective when you are too strong and the ally is too weak or each of its members has a different purpose. During World War 2, Germany-Italy-Japan was a failed military alliance. Currently, NaTo is also having many problems

The biggest failure of the United States and the Soviet Union was that they always had the illusion that they were leaders, in fact they were parasitized by small, weak countries. Not all, but most of the allies of America and the Soviet Union were trash, shameless and traitorous.

Which is why you have taken the approach you have taken, and I understand that. It's just that approach won't make you a superpower.

 

[Bengal71]

You are misunderstanding my point.

I'm just saying that's China's approach, not that I support it

In fact, China's approach is wrong. They waste money and resources on so-called soft power. A great country should not kneel and lick third world countries, and should not take tax money from native people to subsidize foreigners.

Yeah, I know China's approach.

China itself is a superpower and there is no need to try to prove it.

To China, maybe. From the outside world, it doesn't look like it behaves like a superpower.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

The PLAN has been studying the US navy for years, however copying does not produce the same results and the PLAN has a long way to go before it can match the US navy
If China really wants to compete with the US, it's going to need more than 6 aircraft carrier battle groups compared to US's 11. And with the air force, the US does lead in terms of drones, strategic bombers and their stealth jets, the F-35, with loads of variants being successful in the UK, like the Lightning and F-35b. China's J-20 stealth jets have faced complications and delays. And even if China does increase it's naval assets, the US is also upgrading at the same time with it's new Columbia class nuclear subs, which is their largest one yet. So, my point is China is always going to be several stages behind the US in terms of air and naval superiority

 

[beijingwalker]

my point is China is always going to be several stages behind the US in terms of air and naval superiority

lOl, who are you? just a random delusional Indian?

China has the capacity to build PLA combat ships at 200 times the rate that the US can, per leaked US Navy intelligence

The information was seen on a leaked US Navy briefing slide. The US Navy has since confirmed the slide's authenticity.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

lOl, who are you? just a random delusional Indian?

China has the capacity to build PLA combat ships at 200 times the rate that the US can, per leaked US Navy intelligence

The information was seen on a leaked US Navy briefing slide. The US Navy has since confirmed the slide's authenticity.

www.businessinsider.com

How Pelosi’s Taiwan trip set off a new wave of US-China electronic warfare

PLA eyes in the sky and at sea sought to track the aircraft carrying the US House speaker.

www.scmp.com

@CallSignMaverick @Faceless @Cheepek @hari sud @indushek @VkdIndian

 

[beijingwalker]

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How Pelosi’s Taiwan trip set off a new wave of US-China electronic warfare

PLA eyes in the sky and at sea sought to track the aircraft carrying the US House speaker.

www.scmp.com

@CallSignMaverick @Faceless @Cheepek @hari sud @indushek @VkdIndian

Lol, what source? they don't even know the origin of the "source"

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

This is a good example of how copying someone's homework doesn't mean you understand the material. The US carriers that use EM catapults are nuclear powered, meaning there is almost an unlimited amount of electrical power available and makes sense.Nuclear-powered Ford and Nimitz-class ships have much more free storage capacity so they can store more jet fuel, weapons, and so on. While the Chinese carrier is fossil fueled so it normally would have an excess amount of steam and therefore should use steam catapults instead. The EM cats require vast amounts of electricity, meaning you'll be stressing the boilers to drive generators for electricity (losing efficiency) to use the cats. This will limit the sortie rates and cause more frequent fuel replenishment (thus limiting range or station time). Type 003 carrier is far from being operational anytime soon. The Chinese do have experience with carrier operations they have been for the past 10 years. But going from a ramp style to a catapult launch system is a very large step and one they are not familiar with.
US navy has been using catapult launch for decades and are the best in the world in carrier operations. Not just in ship board operations but also in aviation operations. China's propulsion technology is still several generations behind.

 

[beijingwalker]

This is a good example of how copying someone's homework doesn't mean you understand the material. The US carriers that use EM catapults are nuclear powered, meaning there is almost an unlimited amount of electrical power available and makes sense.Nuclear-powered Ford and Nimitz-class ships have much more free storage capacity so they can store more jet fuel, weapons, and so on. While the Chinese carrier is fossil fueled so it normally would have an excess amount of steam and therefore should use steam catapults instead. The EM cats require vast amounts of electricity, meaning you'll be stressing the boilers to drive generators for electricity (losing efficiency) to use the cats. This will limit the sortie rates and cause more frequent fuel replenishment (thus limiting range or station time). Type 003 carrier is far from being operational anytime soon. The Chinese do have experience with carrier operations they have been for the past 10 years. But going from a ramp style to a catapult launch system is a very large step and one they are not familiar with.
US navy has been using catapult launch for decades and are the best in the world in carrier operations. Not just in ship board operations but also in aviation operations. China's propulsion technology is still several generations behind.

lOl, hopefully US can copy successfully this time

Strikingly Similar! US Navy’s Next-Gen Warship A ‘Blatant Copy’ Of China’s Type-055 Destroyer – Netizens

The US has often accused China of stealing designs and technology of its military hardware. Now, a similar charge has been leveled against America not by Beijing but by many social media users. Lightning Downs Raptor! How F-35 Joint Strike Fighters ‘Outflanked’ F-22 Raptors For One Of World’s...

www.eurasiantimes.com

New US destroyer design looks a lot like China's Type 055

In a revealing possible reversal of practice, the United States may be looking to China’s Type 055 cruiser for design inspiration for its upcoming New

asiatimes.com

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

lOl, who are you? just a random delusional Indian?

China has the capacity to build PLA combat ships at 200 times the rate that the US can, per leaked US Navy intelligence

The information was seen on a leaked US Navy briefing slide. The US Navy has since confirmed the slide's authenticity.

www.businessinsider.com

Are Chinese Naval Ships Poorly Designed?

The pace at which the Chinese Navy is building new surface combatants and commissioning them is mind blowing. They are commissioning multiple massive surface combatants and a few submarines every y…

battlemachines.org

 

[beijingwalker]

Are Chinese Naval Ships Poorly Designed?

The pace at which the Chinese Navy is building new surface combatants and commissioning them is mind blowing. They are commissioning multiple massive surface combatants and a few submarines every y…

battlemachines.org

Then tell me why US is so worried over China, but not you India?