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China's manufacturing sector, employment fall sharply

india has domestic consumption like US. hk is export oriented like japan. we konw where us and where japan are now.

on second part you telling me can you sell everything in your house? I can , but I wont even if i can. its the same thing with india. anyway a few decades later when india is still running a 5% sustainable growth rate china would have exhauseted every thing and there will be a disaster there. just you watch and when it happens remember me.



Sorry, the economic data can tell you the truth...

When rupee falling sharply, Pranab Mukherjee blamed the culprit is global sentiment.

But I have a question.

Why a so called "Domestic demand driven" economics blamed the global cues?

India friends always told us China is driven by export, and with global economic crisis China will in a recession.

But look now, India industrial production declined by 3.5% in lasest month while China IP still have a 11.9% growth. And India grow 5.3% in Jan-Mar while China grow 8.1%.....
 
As you said , obviously pic says that Hitler still alive in Germany
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we know what happened in germany, but we dont know for sure these computers doent exist in china
 
Sorry, the economic data can tell you the truth...

When rupee falling sharply, Pranab Mukherjee blamed the culprit is global sentiment.

But I have a question.

Why a so called "Domestic demand driven" economics blamed the global cues?

India friends always told us China is driven by export, and with global economic crisis China will in a recession.

But look now, India industrial production declined by 3.5% in lasest month while China IP still have a 11.9% growth. And India grow 5.3% in Jan-Mar while China grow 8.1%.....

dude check these links out ...

chinese PMI shows signs of upcoming hard landing in china..

China HSBC PMI - Business Insider

China's manufacturing sector falls sharply - May. 31, 2012

Economists React: China Manufacturing Gauge Falls Sharply - China Real Time Report - WSJ

News Headlines

chinese industry in trouble.. on the other hand
indian PMI going strong.
India's manufacturing PMI slips marginally to 54.8 in May from 54.9 in April: HSBC - The Economic Times

$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all - The Economic Times
1 JUN, 2012, 02.53AM IST, ET BUREAU
$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all

.. india got a rare surplus in Q4

Sorry, the economic data can tell you the truth...

When rupee falling sharply, Pranab Mukherjee blamed the culprit is global sentiment.

But I have a question.

Why a so called "Domestic demand driven" economics blamed the global cues?

India friends always told us China is driven by export, and with global economic crisis China will in a recession.

But look now, India industrial production declined by 3.5% in lasest month while China IP still have a 11.9% growth. And India grow 5.3% in Jan-Mar while China grow 8.1%.....

dude check these links out ...

chinese PMI shows signs of upcoming hard landing in china..

China HSBC PMI - Business Insider

China's manufacturing sector falls sharply - May. 31, 2012

Economists React: China Manufacturing Gauge Falls Sharply - China Real Time Report - WSJ

News Headlines

chinese industry in trouble.. on the other hand
indian PMI going strong.
India's manufacturing PMI slips marginally to 54.8 in May from 54.9 in April: HSBC - The Economic Times

$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all - The Economic Times
1 JUN, 2012, 02.53AM IST, ET BUREAU
$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all

.. india got a rare surplus in Q4
 
Sorry, the economic data can tell you the truth...

When rupee falling sharply, Pranab Mukherjee blamed the culprit is global sentiment.

But I have a question.

Why a so called "Domestic demand driven" economics blamed the global cues?

India friends always told us China is driven by export, and with global economic crisis China will in a recession.

But look now, India industrial production declined by 3.5% in lasest month while China IP still have a 11.9% growth. And India grow 5.3% in Jan-Mar while China grow 8.1%.....
china is showing higher growth because you are burning yourreserves to keep masses from revolt.
lets say there are 2 famlies running a small business.
when there is difficulty in the market family 1 takes a hit, their output is reduced to lesser than before and so they tighten their belts by spending lesse thus projecting to the others that they are going thru tougher times and so need to spend less.
family 2 is also hit by the same difficulties, but they spend their savings on buying things they dont really need and which is not a great investment for the future. because if they dont spend then the wife will walk out and children will riot. but the outside worl sees that this family seems very rich and tries to praise them. but family 2 know that this cant go on forever until the market turns better which is what they are hoping for.
on india, the issues now are policitcal in nature and NOT due to global causes. we can see through our leaders' lies because of our sytem , but you guys cannot.
 
dude check these links out ...

chinese PMI shows signs of upcoming hard landing in china..

China HSBC PMI - Business Insider

China's manufacturing sector falls sharply - May. 31, 2012

Economists React: China Manufacturing Gauge Falls Sharply - China Real Time Report - WSJ

News Headlines

chinese industry in trouble.. on the other hand
indian PMI going strong.
India's manufacturing PMI slips marginally to 54.8 in May from 54.9 in April: HSBC - The Economic Times

$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all - The Economic Times
1 JUN, 2012, 02.53AM IST, ET BUREAU
$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all

.. india got a rare surplus in Q4



dude check these links out ...

chinese PMI shows signs of upcoming hard landing in china..

China HSBC PMI - Business Insider

China's manufacturing sector falls sharply - May. 31, 2012

Economists React: China Manufacturing Gauge Falls Sharply - China Real Time Report - WSJ

News Headlines

chinese industry in trouble.. on the other hand
indian PMI going strong.
India's manufacturing PMI slips marginally to 54.8 in May from 54.9 in April: HSBC - The Economic Times

$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all - The Economic Times
1 JUN, 2012, 02.53AM IST, ET BUREAU
$10bn trade surplus in fourth quarter of 2011-12 baffles all

.. india got a rare surplus in Q4

Any more? So what?
Sorry, the economic data can tell you the truth...

China grow 8.1% in jan-Mar while India grow 5.3%..

China rating AA while India BBB- with negative...

China RMB in long tern appreciation While India rupee crashing..

China is larest creditor of US while India has a trade deficit of $170 billion every year.

Your petrol price is higher 30% than China's , so your ecomomy with purchasing power even lower than your nominal GDP...
 
Any more? So what?
Sorry, the economic data can tell you the truth...

China grow 8.1% in jan-Mar while India grow 5.3%..

China rating AA while India BBB- with negative...

China RMB in long tern appreciation While India rupee crashing..

China is larest creditor of US while India has a trade deficit of $170 billion every year.

chinese 8.1% is more like.. 4-5% real GDP growth as ... 3-4% og gdp numbers are derived from ... construction commodities(cement, steel), energy(oil + coal) used in unproductive construction projects who will come back to haunt chinese within a decade... i dont believe in forged GDP numbers that china produces....
 
India petrol price is higher 30% than China's , so India ecomomy with purchasing power even lower than India nominal GDP...

use latest data...

China grow 8.1% in jan-Mar while India grow 5.3%..

China rating AA while India BBB- with negative...

China RMB in long tern appreciation While India rupee crashing..

China is largest creditor of US while India has a trade deficit of $170 billion every year.

China export $1.9 trillion in 2011.... 6.4 times of India....

China has 68 companies ranked in Fortune 500...While India has only 6...

China auto sales in 2011 reach 18.5 million .. 7 times of India.....

China shipbuilding production reach 68 million ton in 2011... 30 times of India..

China has 9 bank ranked in the top20 banks of the world... While India has none...

At last... China GDP reach 7.47 trillion with 8.1% growth.....while India GDP only 1.4 trillion grow at a lower 5.3%...
 
India petrol price is higher 30% than China's , so India ecomomy with purchasing power even lower than India nominal GDP...

use latest data...

China grow 8.1% in jan-Mar while India grow 5.3%..

China rating AA while India BBB- with negative...

China RMB in long tern appreciation While India rupee crashing..

China is largest creditor of US while India has a trade deficit of $170 billion every year.

China export $1.9 trillion in 2011.... 6.4 times of India....

China has 68 companies ranked in Fortune 500...While India has only 6...

China auto sales in 2011 reach 18.5 million .. 7 times of India.....

China shipbuilding production reach 68 million ton in 2011... 30 times of India..



China has 9 bank ranked in the top20 banks of the world... While India has none...

dude just check my posts above.. and see the real deal ...
 
So I can say within the 5.3% growth of India GDP.... 1% is from population growth...2% is from construction..... 3% is from 12 billion farmer's mouth... ,so the real growth of India is decline 0.7%

that shows your economic knowledge ... poor kid...

So I can say within the 5.3% growth of India GDP.... 1% is from population growth...2% is from construction..... 3% is from 12 billion farmer's mouth... ,so the real growth of India is decline 0.7%

that shows your economic knowledge ... poor kid...
 
Earlier this week China reported its GDP increased by "only" 8.9 percent in the fourth quarter of last year. This is the smallest GDP increase in a decade and the consensus opinion is that it indicates China is heading for a soft landing as its economy slows. That would be a reasonable conclusion if there was any chance this number wasn't a complete fabrication. The actual number is certainly lower, quite possibly by a huge amount.

Now it should come as no surprise that the GDP figures are nonsense. All of China's official statistics are nonsense, churned out to fit the needs of the government. (Kudos to the Wall Street Journal's Bob Davis, who I assume is a Yankees fan, for writing, "Chinese stats are about as reliable as the Boston Red Sox during a pennant run." Ouch.) Beijing's numbers are so well-known to be fictitious that it is an insult to see them reported without a very big asterisk attached.

Last month Bloomberg added up all the debt disclosed by China's 231 local government financing companies through Dec. 10. It found they had borrowed $622 billion. This is more than the European bailout fund and dwarfs the amount reported by the government and Chinese banks. While that is bad, it gets worse: There are 6,576 such entities in China, according to the National Audit Office. That office says the debt put their total debt at $759 billion. This means 231 borrowers - or 3.5 percent of the total number - are responsible for more than three-quarters of the overall debt.

If you believe that, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Actually it's in the city of Tianjin, which is over its head in debt thanks to a development project which is copy of Manhattan, complete with Rockefeller and Lincoln centers and a simulacrum of the Hudson River.

Municipalities borrowed money against massively over-valued real estate. Those values are now plummeting back to Earth. Although the collapse of China's real estate bubble in the past year has received scant attention from the U.S. media, our own disaster pales by comparison. In the past five years, real estate values increased by as much as 60 percent in some Chinese cities. By May of this year, there were widespread and credible reports that prices in some of the hottest markets had already dropped by 20 percent. The situation got so bad even the government couldn't keep it quiet. The government reported that in November new home prices dropped in 49 cities, compared with 33 in October. Remember, these figures are all but guaranteed to be understatements.

Although the plural of anecdote is not data, the sheer number of reports about cities' worth of office space sitting empty and factories gone silent is too large to ignore.

As the Heritage Foundation's Derek Scissors points out:

There are indirect indicators of a much slower economy. Monetary policy has long been extremely loose, featuring negative real interest rates. Yet the central government began loosening further several months ago, a strange reaction to growth still over 9 percent. China still boasts the world's largest foreign trade surplus and net inward investment. Foreign exchange reserves fell in the fourth quarter, suggesting capital flight. That would translate to a sluggish world economy being more attractive than China's own.

Reports of China GDP growth are wildly exaggerated - CBS News


:lol::lol:
 
that shows your economic knowledge ... poor kid...



that shows your economic knowledge ... poor kid...

And I just forget one thing...the money your government spend on construction is borrow from others....

I never heard a country which has only $200 billion revenue but expenditure reach 310 billion ....while also has a $170 billion trade deficit , even serious than Greece..


The Congress Party use borrow money to make a " Shining India" delusion, and now we see the consequence.
 
India's manufacturing PMI slips marginally to 54.8 in May from 54.9 in April: HSBC

The HSBC manufacturing Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI) INPMI=ECI, compiled by Markit, slipped marginally to 54.8 in May from 54.9 in April.

It has stayed above the 50 mark, that separates growth from contraction, for a little over three years now. "Activity in the manufacturing sector kept up the pace in May with output, quantity of purchases and employment expanding at a faster pace. New orders decelerated slightly, led by domestic orders," said Leif Eskesen, economist at HSBC.

The survey's output index rose to 56.4 in May from 56.1 in April, while the employment sub-index rose to its highest level in ten months.
:smitten:

India manufacturing sector is a joke

The survey's output index rose to 56.4 in May from 56.1 in April, while the employment sub-index rose to its highest level in ten months.
India's manufacturing sector kept up its steady expansion in May, with fast-rising output evened out by slowing growth of domestic order books, a business survey showed on Friday.

The HSBC manufacturing Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI), compiled by Markit, slipped marginally to 54.8 in May from 54.9 in April.

It has stayed above the 50 mark, that separates growth from contraction, for a little over three years now.

What a joke... 5.3% even can rank the top five of Asia...

India GDP rank 9th in 2010, and now it rank 13th with 2nd fastest growth in the world??

India's quarterly growth
2011-12 q1 8.0,q2 6.7,q3 6.1,q4 5.3
:thinktank:

At least our manufacturing sector is still expanding faster than the rest of the world, though slower than we were last year.

Whereas India's manufacturing sector is actually shrinking. :cheesy:

Buddy I am your biggest fan in India,most elegant member in Chinese community here in PDF.:smitten:
Political will, sound norms make India front-runner in PPP race

NEW DELHI: India stands in the same league as developed economies like Republic of Korea and Japan on implementation of public-private-partnership (PPP) projects, says a report, giving a thumbs up to the country's efforts to involve private sector in infrastructure development.

A study commissioned by the Asian Development Bank (ADB) shows India, even with its bureaucratic and regulatory hurdles, outscoring China and Japan to rank third on PPP project performance chart among the Asia-Pacific nations. Only the 'mature' economies of Australia and Korea are ahead of India.

"PPP development in India has been driven by strong political will and advancement in public capacity and processes," said the 2011 Infrascope report, which was prepared by the Economist Intelligence Unit.

The report, however, says India lacks a cohesive regulatory framework to unify the national and state-level structures. This leads to uneven regional performance across the country.

The report gave scores on a scale of 100. The higher the score, the more mature the country is to implement infrastructure projects in a PPP mode. Australia got the highest score of 92.3, followed by Korea (71.3), India (64.8) and Japan (63.7). China managed a score of 49.8.
On the basis of the scores, the countries have been divided into 4 categories-nascent, emerging, developed and mature.

India has been placed in the 'developed' category with the likes of Korea, Japan, Brazil, and Chile.

China, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Thailand were tagged as 'emerging' while Australia and United Kingdom were classified as 'mature'. China, which has traditionally bettered India in terms of infrastructure investment and completion of projects, despite topping in implementation fell behind because of its underdeveloped institutional framework and regulatory environment.

India has also surprisingly performed well in enhancing its operational maturity, or the ability to implement infrastructure projects. While India is behind China in operational maturity, it is ahead of the rest of the countries in Asia-Pacific.

With 614 projects in water, electricity and transportation reaching financial closure between 2000 and 2009, China has the highest number of PPP projects, followed by India with 261 projects.

"Government agencies in India have a relatively high level of proficiency in PPP projects, particularly with regard to monitoring of construction," the report said.

While it counting skill shortage as a major hindrance to implementation of infrastructure projects in India, the report batted for the controversial Model Concession Agreements (MCA).

"While there is still no evolved framework, risk allocation has been improving since the introduction of MCA," the report observed. The report adds that middle-income countries, such as India, have utilised technical and financial support of multilateral agencies, including ADB and World Bank, for the development of public sector expertise.
India's high score was primarily due to the efforts taken by the government to put in place a good legal and regulatory framework for PPP projects, giving India an edge over China and Japan.:cheers:
 

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