China's growing influence in Central Asia

[beijingwalker]

I don't know how he meant that. Did he mean Russia is dying so how can you compare it to China or who is China compared to Russia. In the overall context I think China has surpassed Russia by a long marjin in most aspects except a few such as overall defence industry, gdp per capita and no of nukes, other than that China is ahead in nearly all aspects.

Russia is China's biggest neighbor , we always have mutual respect to each other.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Europeans failed their "native European" heritage the moment they adopted a foreign religion and abandoned paganism, etc.

What a stupid reply. We not only adopted a foreign religion, we reformed the whole religion as well such as protestantism. You guys still have have to obey Mecca one-on-one.

FYI, Europe does not consist of one ethnic and you failed to understand my post as I said, that we don't have a pan germanic dream because it's a stupid concept.

Religion has an absolute minor role in this entire affair. Turkey has got nothing to do with the Arabic world, their interest and our interests are as diverse as it can be. We are situated in Asia and Europe, country stretching two continents so to speak. Thus, standing on two continents we realize our responsibility for both worlds.

Not all turkic tribes are muslims, what are you going to do with them? Force convert them or kill them if they decline to convert?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

What a stupid reply. We not only adopted a foreign religion, we reformed the whole religion as well such as protestantism. You guys still have have to obey Mecca one-on-one.

FYI, Europe does not consist of one ethnic and you failed to understand my post as I said, that we don't have a pan germanic dream because it's a stupid concept.

You failed your "Turkic" heritage the minute you adopted a foreign religion and abandoned tengrism.

OTOH, turanic dream is as silly as silly as germanic dream.

Zu keinem Zeitpunkt stellten Turanisten die Mehrheit in der türkischen Gesellschaft, obwohl Deutsche dies mögen glauben. Liberale, Kemalisten, Islamisten und Kommunisten waren stets offen in Opposition zu dieser Idee, griffen sie lediglich zu opportunistischen Zwecken auf oder boten alternative weltanschauliche Konzeptionen.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Zu keinem Zeitpunkt stellten Turanisten die Mehrheit in der türkischen Gesellschaft, obwohl Deutsche dies mögen glauben. Liberale, Kemalisten, Islamisten und Kommunisten waren stets offen in Opposition zu dieser Idee, griffen sie lediglich zu opportunistischen Zwecken auf oder boten alternative weltanschauliche Konzeptionen.

Na denn sind wir uns doch einig, oder? Der Turanismus ist genau so dumm wie der Germanismus.

 

[bsruzm]

What do you mean?

Your "growing" influence in Central Asia, Russia has it's influence settled.

I don't know how he meant that.

Of course, you don't. Please, don't get involved when you don't know.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Na denn sind wir uns doch einig, oder? Der Turanismus ist genau so dumm wie der Germanismus.

I never said Turanism was possible, it's an "ideal", my main point was protecting Turkic culture from foreign interference in Central Asian countries. That's why i welcome Chinese investments and bilateral relations, while they sustain their cultural background without getting carried away by the Chinese culture

 

[bsruzm]

Russia is China's biggest neighbor , we always have mutual respect to each other.

Not always.

"In the 21st century the Chinese version of the Sino-Soviet border conflict, present on many official websites, describes the events of March 1969 as a Soviet aggression against China. Russian authorities, afraid of provoking China's discontent, do not protest against such claims."

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

You call 10 million Uygurs "a huge population" in a country with over 1.3 billion people?

for comparison, the biggest of the Turk-ish countries(other than Turkey itself)- Kazahkstan- has only 17 million+ citizens

 

[beijingwalker]

Not always.

"In the 21st century the Chinese version of the Sino-Soviet border conflict, present on many official websites, describes the events of March 1969 as a Soviet aggression against China. Russian authorities, afraid of provoking China's discontent, do not protest against such claims."

Yes, but down on the people's level we still respect Russia. Even when China and Russia were at each other's throats the older generation still sometimes talked about how Russia helped China when PRC first founded.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

@Sinan @xenon54 @usernameless @T-123456 @bsruzm @KediKesenFare and other Turkish members
What do you think about this? Are we failing our Turkic heritage by giving way to too much influence by Chinese and especially Russians in Turkic lands

I personally think it's about time we undertook some serious measures to get Turkic states under our wings. This may sound far fetched and "Turanic" dreamlike. But we either ignore our history and cultural bindings or our state actively commits itself to this cause. Perhaps it's time we redefined our core interests

What is the influence of Turkey in the Balkans? Or Syria?
I think, sir, Turkey's influence is only in Turkey.
Don't do anything beyond your ability.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

I never said Turanism was possible, it's an "ideal", my main point was protecting Turkic culture from foreign interference in Central Asian countries. That's why i welcome Chinese investments and bilateral relations, while they sustain their cultural background without getting carried away by the Chinese culture

This can happen in Central Asian states, but not Xinjiang.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

What is the influence of Turkey in the Balkans? Or Syria?
I think, sir, Turkey's influence is only in Turkey.
Don't do anything beyond your ability.

Turkish influence in the Balkans and Syria/Iraq is pervasive. Our soft power projection is adamant.

This can happen in Central Asian states, but not Xinjiang.

My point was also this. Central Asian states are by definition Turkic in every sense of the word. Xinjiang is Chinese, we accept and respect that. None wants to destabilize the current posititve relations between China and Turkey. Uncle Sam's influence is diminishing rapidly in Turkey and this entails our relations with the East will grow.

 

[Baybars Han]

What is the influence of Turkey in the Balkans? Or Syria?
I think, sir, Turkey's influence is only in Turkey.
Don't do anything beyond your ability.

Very influential in some countries and very close in personal level which I have experienced myself.

 

[bsruzm]

Yes, but down on the people's level we still respect Russia. Even when China and Russia were at each other's throats the older generation still sometimes talked about how Russia helped China when PRC first founded.

Of course, I do not disagree with that but growing Chinese influence is a challenge for Russia. Isn't it?

 

[beijingwalker]

Of course, I do not disagree with that but growing Chinese influence is a challenge for Russia. Isn't it?

Yes, it's very obvious and I don't want to deny that fact either. by and large Central Asia is still sphere of Russia's influence and certainly Russia won't like to lose the monopoly hold.