China's growing influence in Central Asia

[beijingwalker]

China's growing influence in Central Asia

 

[Zulkarneyn]

@Sinan @xenon54 @usernameless @T-123456 @bsruzm @KediKesenFare and other Turkish members
What do you think about this? Are we failing our Turkic heritage by giving way to too much influence by Chinese and especially Russians in Turkic lands

I personally think it's about time we undertook some serious measures to get Turkic states under our wings. This may sound far fetched and "Turanic" dreamlike. But we either ignore our history and cultural bindings or our state actively commits itself to this cause. Perhaps it's time we redefined our core interests

 

[Götterdämmerung]

@Sinan @xenon54 @usernameless @T-123456 @bsruzm @KediKesenFare and other Turkish members
What do you think about this? Are we failing our Turkic heritage by giving way to too much influence by Chinese and especially Russians in Turkic lands

I personally think it's about time we undertook some serious measures to get Turkic states under our wings. This may sound far fetched and "Turanic" dreamlike. But we either ignore our history and cultural bindings or our state actively commits itself to this cause. Perhaps it's time we redefined our core interests

You failed your "Turkic" heritage the minute you adopted a foreign religion and abandoned tengrism.

OTOH, turanic dream is as silly as silly as germanic dream.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Two nations are gaining influence in Central Asia right now: China & Turkey.

In case of China, it's purely because of its economic power whereas in our case thinks are somewhat different. Our relationship with Central Asia is based on common history, language, religion and traditions.

In a long term perspective, this categories are playing a more vital role. This is what history simply teaches us. For instance, Russia is losing grip in Central Asia: https://defence.pk/threads/policy-of-kazakhization-goodbye-dear-russians.443565/

Our relationship with Kazakhstan is very good. Same goes to Kyrgyzstan. Turkmenistan is always neutral to everyone - even towards Russia. Tajikistan is Iranic.

Now that Uzbek president Islam Karimov is dead, our relation with Özbekistan will prosper. This is very important because Özbek woman are birthing machines. They are very numerous and even in neighboring Turkic countries their numbers are increasing fast.

 

[Mamluk]

You failed your "Turkic" heritage the minute you adopted a foreign religion and abandoned tengrism.

Europeans failed their "native European" heritage the moment they adopted a foreign religion and abandoned paganism, etc.

 

[beijingwalker]

Turkey only thinks that it's the master and protector of the central Asian countries but those countries never think that way. If Turkey and Russia get into a fight, you will see who those central countries support.

 

[bsruzm]

Are we failing our Turkic heritage by giving way to too much influence by Chinese

I don't think so, China would help Central Asia to reduce Russian influence. Turkic countries better play it right, though.

I personally think it's about time we undertook some serious measures to get Turkic states under our wings.

We need to focus on our region first to get Central Asia under our wing's. It's about (a bit long) time but we are on it.

 

[beijingwalker]

Both China and Russia have huge Turkic speaking populations. It's in Turkey's interest not to poke giants.

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[KediKesenFare3]

Turkey only thinks that it's the master and protector of the central Asian countries but those countries never think that way. If Turkey and Russia get into a fight, you will see who those central countries support.

There are huge differences between many decisions of the ruling elite and the hearts of the ordinary people in this nations. A typical Central Asian citizen has definitely a pro-Turkey stance. No one can deny this.

Btw, that's why Russia fears a democratic revolution in those countries. Typically, democratic Asian nations tend to be very nationalist or even racist. Look at Japan and South Korea. Taiwan is de facto a product of Western democracy + Asian nationalism. People has forgotten that in terms of cultural history and ideas, nationalism was the midwive of democracy. It's obvious that democratic systems in C.A. would always favor pro-Turkish governments.

On a side note: Speaking for myself, I believe that Turkey should abandon Taipei to create a better environment between Peking and Ankara.

 

[bsruzm]

It's in Turkey's interest not to poke giants.

Do you really compare Russia and China?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Both China and Russia have huge Turkic speaking populations. It's in Turkey's interest not to poke giants.

You call 10 million Uygurs "a huge population" in a country with over 1.3 billion people?

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Two nations are gaining influence in Central Asia right now: China & Turkey.

In case of China, it's purely because of its economic power whereas in our case thinks are somewhat different. Our relationship with Central Asia is based on common history, language, religion and traditions.

In a long term perspective, this categories are playing a more vital role. This is what history simply teaches us. For instance, Russia is losing grip in Central Asia: https://defence.pk/threads/policy-of-kazakhization-goodbye-dear-russians.443565/

Our relationship with Kazakhstan is very good. Same goes to Kyrgyzstan. Turkmenistan is always neutral to everyone - even towards Russia. Tajikistan is Iranic.

Now that Uzbek president Islam Karimov is dead, our relation with Özbekistan will prosper. This is very important because Özbek woman are birthing machines. They are very numerous and even in neighboring Turkic countries their numbers are increasing fast.

Agreed. Central Asian Turkic countries should opt for increased economic cooperation with China, as its economy is increasingly dominating Asia as a whole. On the other hand, we should pursue our soft power in the region.

I'm of the opinion that Turkic nations, including Turkey, should increase its bilateral relations with China. There is a reality we must face, the World is changing, capital is moving to East. To snap a greater portion of the cake we shouldn't abandon realism in favor of strictly Turan ideals. This doesn't entail we abandon our history and responsibility of our ancestral land. That bond will be there as long as the Turkish world stands tall. And we can't stand tall if we don't realize the growth in capital in the East

You failed your "Turkic" heritage the minute you adopted a foreign religion and abandoned tengrism.

OTOH, turanic dream is as silly as silly as germanic dream.

Religion has an absolute minor role in this entire affair. Turkey has got nothing to do with the Arabic world, their interest and our interests are as diverse as it can be. We are situated in Asia and Europe, country stretching two continents so to speak. Thus, standing on two continents we realize our responsibility for both worlds.

 

[beijingwalker]

Do you really compare Russia and China?

What do you mean? I compare China with Russia ...

 

[usernameless]

Actually, Chinese influence in the form of economic partnership is a welcome development in order for those CA countries to re-balance against Russia. I don't think Russia would like to see others winning influence in CA much, be it Turkey or China, so the more players there are, the less Russian monopoly and better development prospects for CA countries.

 

[Baybars Han]

What do you mean? I compare China with Russia ...

I don't know how he meant that. Did he mean Russia is dying so how can you compare it to China or who is China compared to Russia. In the overall context I think China has surpassed Russia by a long marjin in most aspects except a few such as overall defence industry, gdp per capita and no of nukes, other than that China is ahead in nearly all aspects.